Rev7 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Again, there is no indication that that doesn't also happen to anyone else who is killed by drain. Well, isn't it indication enough that the bodies are still there? Or there being a description? To me, it sounds like it was a lot worse than force-drain. [This master is dead... drained of life. His body is worse than lifeless, it's like an absence in the Force.] How can something be more than lifeless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 How can something be more than lifeless? Beats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthAve Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Well, ths discussion is interesting. Time to put in my 2 cents 5 hours late! I kind of like to see the Jedi Council's decision on the Mandalorian Wars in a sort of 'old-christian-lady' way. The jedi obay the "word of the code" (kinda like the word of god) and what the code says is right, and all else is totally wrong, which was Atris' POV. Atris kind of had a very one sided Point of view kindof like, I'll quote Anakin Skywalker on this, "If you're not with me, than you're my enemy." I think the rest of the council had this, but just not as nutsy as "If you don't follow the code 100 percent, you're on the dark side" as Atris was. They followed the Jedi code of nonviolence, and didn't go to war. Some didn't believe, and left to go to war. This was treason to the council, especially when special pupils with bright futures, like The Exile, left. After the war, when they decided to Exile her/him for that, and the great big echo in the force from all the death. I feel that them exiling The Exile for the echo, instead of, as Kavar(I think) said they should have researched and found a cure for, was done out of fear of losing the force themselves. And then, they tried to sever it again in the rebuilt enclave because of the fear, and Kreia did to them what they were trying to prevent to all jedi, taking the force from them. As said earlier, the council was lead by fear in their descision to exile The Exile. But, that fear didn't really help their all holy attitude towards the code and disobaying the word of the jedi founders. Definatly something to do with selfishness too. Disreguarding what the exile had to say about her situation, only caring about themselves and their opinions or their connection to the force. So necissarly, the council was trying to be good, but kinda screwed the pooch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Honor Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 About force drain. How powerful do you think Kreia is? She`s above the average Jedi, yes. But by using the standard force drain on the Jedi Masters, three of them, shouldnt make them die like they did, in a few seconds. It was far worse than a standard force drain, and its something that can only be done by a special few, Nihilus, the Exile and Kreia. Because as the quote posted earlier told us. " The technique itself could not be taught, it could only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects first-hand" The Exile, Kreia(Darth Traya), and Nihilus are the only ones we know who has experienced its terrible effect first hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 If you're going to repeat the same thing that Carter did, then just read my previous posts and pretend that they're new. I'm not going to explain the same thing all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Honor Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 I didnt really ask anyone. I was just posting my own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothic90 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 The masters are the ones who do not follow the code. "There is no ignorance, there is knowledge" If they are ignorant of some fact they should pursue it instead of blinding themselves and trying to explain through the force. If they do not know why the exile possess such abilities as a leader they should ask. They chose arrogance over knowledge and this, is a step towards the dark side. In fact their teachings violates the code as well. In K1 Yuthura Ban explains the Sith Code and Uthar Wynn wants his students to understand the code, but what do those Jedi masters do? Nothing. Do they really think their students can follow the code simply by reciting it? That they can become great Jedi simply through a blind faith in the Code? Do they, or any Jedi Master ever wonder why lots of great Jedi are not trained at appropriate ages--Nomi Sunrider, Revan who lost his memory, exile's companions, and Luke Skywalker? It is because when they hear the code, they think about it. Kreia is probably the main baddie, she lies to everyone but the exile; she interferes with everything but the exile's choices. Ironically her actions did some good. Her killing those masters probably displays her cruelty, but no good would come out of their actions. If they continue to punish the exile, they just grow more arrogant and step farther away from the truth, the knowledge--and ironically, they probabaly stepped towards the truth when Kreia drained their force. She also made the exile understand herself so the exile can defeat Nihilus and Sion. Ironically the exile fully understands the force under the teachings of a Sith, yet she did not fall, because Kreia did not interfere with her decisions. She's probably a bad guy, but the exile may say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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