SD Nihil Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 After the November 20th, 2007 update whenever my character would use force speed in both KOTOR 1-2 I'd see lines, computer looking pixiles, one time the scren went green during the action. And later when I upgraded to the January updates and further, when I'd start up KOTOR 1-2 my computer would restart. So the only thing to do is tht I ended up going back to the November 20th update before the force speed thing, and restart complications of the updates. What I'd like to know, is have these issues with more current ATI updates corrected these issues. I've just been upgrading since and not playing KOTOR 1-2 due to this issue. Have the problems been corrected? Thanks. P.S.: Since ATI Cards I hear are the best when it comes to graphics, since KOTOR 1-2 are older games, does that mean the latest cards won't work on KOTOR 1-2? Ifso, then what ATI card versions hould I not upgrade higher than? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthParametric Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I've got a Radeon HD4850 and the latest drivers and it still does it. Have a look at the thread I made about it here. I've got issues in some other games as well which I also put down to ATI's screwy drivers. If you plan on a new card I'd lean toward an nVidia. While the current ATI cards offer more bang per buck, it's not much good if the driver support is in the toilet. You might be fine if all you play is games a year or two old, but legacy support doesn't seem to be big on their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haemonculus Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I had the same problem with my Radeon HD 2600. You can use KOTOR/TSL realistic effects. It disables the blur-effect on force speed (gave me a headache anyway ) K1: http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/Realistic_Visual_Effects;90382 K2: http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/Realistic_Visual_Effects;90383 And for swoopraces you can disable frame-buffering temporary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I've got a Radeon HD4850 and the latest drivers and it still does it. Have a look at the thread I made about it here. I've got issues in some other games as well which I also put down to ATI's screwy drivers. If you plan on a new card I'd lean toward an nVidia. While the current ATI cards offer more bang per buck, it's not much good if the driver support is in the toilet. You might be fine if all you play is games a year or two old, but legacy support doesn't seem to be big on their agenda. From everything I've read online, I've come to the conclusion Nvidia is no better in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthParametric Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 From everything I've read online, I've come to the conclusion Nvidia is no better in this respect.Well as I said in the thread I started, I had no problems with a Geforce 6800 running the latest Forceware drivers in the same machine that now has the 4850, nor do I get the problem in my laptop that runs a Geforce 7600. Older GPUs I know, but the problem is in the drivers not the chipset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I've had no problems with my 6800GT either, but these DX10 GPUs and drivers have a problem with these 2 games. I have yet to find a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 Well in the near future I am planning to get a new PC. So what your saying is all the newer video cards of ATI brand work fine with KOTOR 1-2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Nope. Both will probably have issues, though I've heard more about the newer Nvidia models having problems with the KotORs than I have the ATI ones. You're going to hate me for saying this, but it's beginning to look like the ideal solution for playing KotOR would be to keep your old computer when you upgrade. Think of it this way: it wouldn't cost you anything to keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Now the card you have, you are able to play KOTOR with it right? If so, is that card better than mine? I know nothing about these cards. I just want to have the best graphics all around for the KOTOR games and at the same time have it work. I've already done some stuff to this computer. I've doubled the RAM to a GB and the harddrive is a 230GB harddrive space. Well...I guess my vid card is at least better than the card I use to have which was a NVIDA GeForce MX 420. lol. And it still has a old Legacy SB Live sound card. lol. This computer I've had since 2000. I guess that at least shows I can keep the old girl running well enough. Although, there are 2 r莐egistry errors I still can't correct with CCleaner, and occasionally it will restart for no reason, and "this program has commited an illegal error and will shut down". lol. Other than that it's just great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 How long has it been since you reinstalled Windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthParametric Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 So what your saying is all the newer video cards of ATI brand work fine with KOTOR 1-2?I was saying the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 I see. Well is the card you have better than mine? Does it work with KOTOR 1-2 without issues? What is the best card you know I should get that works with KOTOR 1-2 without problems? I've got cash man. I have a investment thing Vanguard. Though the stocks are not as good bonds, and money market are fine. So just to take care of the budget thing there so you see money is not the problem. Besides, I can just tell the independent tech guy what card to switch it to anyway. Since he was the one who doubled the ram, cloned and put in this big hard drive, and chaned the old card anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I agree with DarthParametric that the Nvidia DX9 cards have had far fewer issues with KotOR than the ATI ones, so the best card to use would be the most powerful single-GPU DX9 card that Nvidia produced: the 7900GTX. It should run KotOR very well with no issues at any resolution all the way up to 2560x1600. The best drivers for this card would be, IMO, 93.71. These would have to be used with Windows XP. Note that this card would not fit your old computer as it most likely has an AGP slot for video cards whereas the 7900GTX is PCIe x16. Don't buy one new; they'd be way too expensive. You can buy one used from a reputable seller on Fleabay for ~$50-$75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 Great. Thanks for the info. And if I were to get Vista since they are no longer selling computers with XP on them? Would these cards and drivers work on it? This is all part of thinking ahead for the near future since this computer as you've read has some problems. Or should I probably on the new computer just re-install XP on that computer and put that card and drivers in? Great info. Exactly what I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 The card would work with Vista, but the driver wouldn't. You would have to use XP. I would suggest setting up a dual-boot with both XP and Vista, and installing the 93.71 driver and KotOR to XP, and installing Nvidia's Vista drivers for the 7900GTX to Vista. This would be the only way to guarantee no problems with running KotOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 And how would I do this? Or would it be something the place like Best Buy building the computer would know how to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Astro's Guide To Dual/Triple Boot Bliss Bestbuy would charge you way too much to do something that you could do yourself. Just make sure that whatever computer you buy comes with both a complete Vista reinstall disk and a cheap video card that you won't mind replacing with a 7900GTX, and then buy an OEM copy of XP Home Edition. I'd also recommend that you build your own computer, that is, if you feel up to learning something about hardware and how it works. You'll get the best system that way, with quality components of your choosing throughout. There are people in the tech forum that can help you with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 I see. Thank you very much for the info and the link. I'll be sure to check it out and read. If I have any questions I'll be sure to ask you. Thanks again. Update: So doing this dual boot means I'll be able to play KOTOR on XP and Vista, or just when I'm booted to XP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 There might be a way to build a computer that can utilize both a DX9 and a DX10 video card (though not at the same time) through the use of a dual-boot and a Crossfire motherboard (a motherboard that has 2 PCIe x16 slots), with XP recognizing and using only the DX9 card and Vista likewise only using the DX10 card. I can't see why this wouldn't be feasible, but I'm not 100% positive it would work. It would be a no-compromise solution if it did, though, because you could then play old games that are no longer supported by the newer drivers with no problems using the DX9 card and XP, but you'd still be able to play the newest games with the DX10 card and Vista. T'would be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 Like I said right now I'm reading the info in the link ou gave. Yeah taht would be great if KOTOR would be able to run on Vista too. But if it were to be able to work just fine on Vista then hey why not just do that since it would be easier in that computers now today come with Vista and not XP. But anyway, what I was asking is, with this dual boot, does that mean in how you described that it will work with KOTOR on the XP side and Vista that card is not for KOTOR and is simply for to date games? When you gave your decription of the dual boot computer I was just not sure if your set up you described that meant KOTOR on that setup would work on the XP and Vista sides or just to work on XP. But yes that would be great if it could work on both. So I assume you meant with the setup you gave that it would work only on XP. Am I right? Because it is important that I know for when I sit down with the people at Best Buy or whoever and talk with them about designing the new computer. I already was told of an idea for the Procesor since with games like Empire at War they require a good Intel Core Duel Processor. From what I was told by one of the guys on Ages of Star Wars forums that I should get a "Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 processor". Do you agree or do you have a better idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 The KotORs, especially 2, do not run reliably on Vista. It's hit or miss, and it has been very frustrating for several people. As mentioned before, they also do not run perfectly with any DX10 card that I know of. Hence the need to run them on XP with an Nvidia DX9 card and 2-year-old drivers for a trouble-free experience. As for any tech advice on which hardware to puchase for a new system, it would be best to discuss that in the tech forum, where Astro and I can try to pigeon-hole you into building your own computer instead of buying overpriced, slightly out-of-date hardware from those crooks at BestBuy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Nihil Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Ah it sounds like you have some best buy stories to tell. I get it now. So KOTOR is to play on the XP side with the NVIDA card with less up to date drivers, while on hte Vista side it has the latest NDVIDA drivers. Correct? So NVIDA and ATI are the two big dogs of the video card world? Like a rival like Mac and PC? How is Vista? Have most of the issues been worked out now? Meaning is it safe to buy Vista, or are the really funny Mac vs. PC commercials correct? I hope you saw the recent one with the bake sale PC was having since he put all the money towards advertizing rather than to fixing the problems? It was funny. PC charaged Mac a milion for eating a cup cake. lol. So basically 93.71 drivers with NVIDA on the XP side and never upgradde from the 93.71, but on the Vista side still have the same NVIDA card, but on the Vista side I can upgrade the card past 93.71. Correct? Also I'm having a hard time finding on the NVIDA.com site the drivers page for the NVIDA GeForce 7900 GTX. Can you drop me a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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