Agen Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Just tell us what u think and post about why u think it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPMaximilian Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 The weapons and graphics are going to be so much better. Hopefully the story will be good. I have a feeling Raven won't let us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazilla Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I agree. As long as the story is as good or better, this game will own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyghtfall Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 As classic and wonderful a game as JK is, there's not a shred of doubt in my mind that Raven will produce a hallmark of a game. I sincerely believe it will be better than JK in every way that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirth Vedar Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I voted no not because I think JKII would suck, but it's really hard to tell at this time, and there's a lot of elements to a game that makes it hard to compair. Sure, the graphics, and effects will definitely be better, we've seen that from the screen shots, but there could be other problems, perhaps with AI, game balance, story, etc., JK is already a classic, we know it and love it (or hate it), but it's already out for all to see, we know what's good about it, and what's bad (lag, limited saber moves), but despite all of the bad, I believe most people (here at least) would agree that Jedi Knight is Worthy. JKII remains to be judged, so I cannot in good conscience vote JKII to be better, because it has not proven itself. So my vote really is more complex than what the voting booth will allow me to express. I don't think the same is appropriate either. But yeah... I do have high hopes that JKII will aptly surpass it's predecessor. And of course, I think there'll always be some JK nut who will praise JK above all others, no matter how good JK II turns out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowbieOne Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 JK will end up be very memorable to me for many reasons, but I always felt there was tons of room for improvement. Let's get real here. Lucasarts is basically known for making mediocre if not down right terrible games, so JK really suprised me. But JK still had numerous shortcomings. Also when they were making Obi-Wan and they tried to use that silly glyph system and cancelled the game, and now look at how bad it has ended up on the X-Box. My point is I don't think Jedi Knight 2 would be even half as good as its looking right now if only Lucasarts was making it. IMO Raven is the real talent here. Sorry to doubt you guys at LA, but you have a pretty bad track record. I don't doubt for 1 second that this game will surpass JK in every way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kestral Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 I'm cautiously optimistic. Never put your hopes to high on a game, because problems can cause you to lose your misplaced faith. I was a true believer of Tribes 2. When I got it, I could barely run it. They didn't have support for Voodoo and the gameplay was horrible. No one wanted to be a teammate, they all just wanted to go rambo. I left it a while. Eventually a patch came out which, rather than helping, destroyed the game. Arguments began to pop up everywhere about Dynamix's competency. Then one day, Sierra killed Dynamix. I was close friends with some of the DEV team, and they just quit playing when Sierra announced it was closing Dynamix's doors. Marweas the Weasal was behind it all, having a personal grudge with DaveG -- QIX. I know LEC isn't a malevolent and tyrannical dictator like Sierra, but since Tribes 2 I haven't bought a game in advance. I hope I'll be able to try the demo and love JK2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raxius Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 I think it will be much better. As good as JK was, everthing i've heard is an improvment. I especially love what i'fve heard about the new saber system. That alone makes it hard to sit and wait. It is going to be an awsome game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zx2 Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Hmmm this be a tough question its hard to judge if a game is "better" than another game cos there are so many elements jk2 has a lot 2 live up 2, i mean, jk is so good that its lasted for 4 years, thats quite the feat hopefully the series will continue 2 get better as it has i.e. DF was good, jk was better, hopefully jk2 will be better still guess we can only hope (and send mild death threats to the raven developers, sayin that if they screw up..... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 I vote yes. From what I've seen so far, I'd be shocked if it wasn't better than JK. I'm hoping for an epic story on the same scale as JK, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broode Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Alright... who's the other guy who voted no... Time for an ass whoopin! But seriously, I believe the only thing that was wrong with JK was the saber control system (besides the netcode... *shudder*). You had very limited control and hit-and-run attacks with secondary donimated the field. What they have here looks to be an expansion of the JK control system. JK had 6 attacks, 1 for each direction (forward, back, left, right = 4), secondary fire, and that triple swing that you do if your running. The problem was that, even without secondary fire, none of the directional attacks were used because you had to move out of your way to use them and they had no advantage over the other attacks; they were just the primary attack with a different anim. JKII seems to be heading down the same path, albeit with improvements. Arobatics, stances, and more attacks is all good, but not if their completely useless and you have to go out of your way to use them, like in JK. I hope something is done to rectify this problem. The other thing i wanted to talk about was the hit-and-run saber duels in JK. Something definately should be done to direct players to stand still and move forward and back a little bit, while still attacking and blocking. I remember something being said about this earlier, but I'm not sure how it's possible. Perhaps slowing people down while swinging, or somehow making moving players easy to dodge and counter-attack, i dont know. I just hope SOMETHING is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Com Raven Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 The only let down compared to JK I is that we can't choose forces ourselves, and that's a small price that technical stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Lando Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 I voted it will be better because it must be better than JK1. There isn't any other acceptable alternative. Sure it could be a big stinkin pile of crap but I don't think it will be. If JK2 does suck it will be tragic as the Star Wars universe is perfect for computer/console gaming. It already has so many things going for it, a moving musical score, dynamic conflict, creative ships, weapons, characters, and locations. I too am cautiously optimistic, and don't buy any games that come out without reading reviews now, but I think Raven is going to come through on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sounds Risky Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 I honestly wasn't all that impressed with Jedi Knight (though this might be because I didn't play it until like September last year), so Jedi Outcast will probably be a lot better for me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home_Sliced Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 It all comes down to the gamplay. Undoubtedly the graphics, sound, and net-code will be better. Those things come as technology advances. I personally think (from what I've seen so far) the weapons will be better. I can't say which is better overall until I've played it. Gameplay, gameplay, gameplay. Of course, if JK2 isn't legally editable, that's a major blow in it's own respect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyghtfall Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Originally posted by Broode The other thing i wanted to talk about was the hit-and-run saber duels in JK. Something definately should be done to direct players to stand still and move forward and back a little bit, while still attacking and blocking. If you're wanting to see saber duels faught with all of the artistry and grace of a classic sword fight, I sincerely doubt that that will ever happen in this game; the reasons for which should be fairly obvious. Admittedly, I do share your dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X-Vector Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Originally posted by Broode Alright... who's the other guy who voted no... Time for an ass whoopin! I just voted "no", if you must know. Of course there is no way we can accurately tell just how good JO is because none of us have played it, so I'm going by Raven's track record and what I've read and seen of the game until now and I'm comparing that to the impact JK had on me when it was released (and a considerable time after). I simply don't believe right now that JO will impress me as heavily as JK did, for one thing because Raven's game 'only' seems to want to improve on the many new qualities that JK pioneered and which made that game not only a superior playing experience, but an important milestone in action gaming as well (for one thing, I think that JK influenced Valve to a considerable extent and is in some way co-responsible for the magnificence of Half-Life). It goes without saying that I'd like Raven to prove me wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Originally posted by Broode Alright... who's the other guy who voted no... Time for an ass whoopin! But seriously, I believe the only thing that was wrong with JK was the saber control system (besides the netcode... *shudder*). You had very limited control and hit-and-run attacks with secondary donimated the field. What they have here looks to be an expansion of the JK control system. JK had 6 attacks, 1 for each direction (forward, back, left, right = 4), secondary fire, and that triple swing that you do if your running. The problem was that, even without secondary fire, none of the directional attacks were used because you had to move out of your way to use them and they had no advantage over the other attacks; they were just the primary attack with a different anim. JKII seems to be heading down the same path, albeit with improvements. Arobatics, stances, and more attacks is all good, but not if their completely useless and you have to go out of your way to use them, like in JK. I hope something is done to rectify this problem. The other thing i wanted to talk about was the hit-and-run saber duels in JK. Something definately should be done to direct players to stand still and move forward and back a little bit, while still attacking and blocking. I remember something being said about this earlier, but I'm not sure how it's possible. Perhaps slowing people down while swinging, or somehow making moving players easy to dodge and counter-attack, i dont know. I just hope SOMETHING is done. I think if the saber blocking is as good as it sounds, enabled by poly-to-poly collisions, you should be able to block so well that you'll have to stay in close to get a hit. As for acrobatics, look at the SBX evasion; it's an extremely valuable and often-used move, and all it is is a forward flip. As for the value of using them, it's to get past your opponent's saber. In JK, this was easy almost to the extreme. In JKII, it looks like it won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 Originally posted by Nyghtfall If you're wanting to see saber duels faught with all of the artistry and grace of a classic sword fight, I sincerely doubt that that will ever happen in this game; the reasons for which should be fairly obvious. Admittedly, I do share your dream. That's why the animations are made so pretty; so you won't have to go out of your way to make duels look as spectacular as the movies :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamebooger Posted January 26, 2002 Share Posted January 26, 2002 I'm not putting my hopes really high but to answer the question simply, outcast is gonna be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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