[TE]DarthBob Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I know that cheating is a concern and think it deserves its own topic. But If I may give my 2 cents. Please do not accuse someone of cheating early into your JK2 gaming. 99% of the time, you will just be playing against a player of higher caliber, luck, scripting, ping or all the above. In all the time I have played Elite Force, I have not seen one positive proof of cheating. So, if you suspect cheating, record a demo, get a screenshot, but do not yell "Cheater". You will only look like a horse's patootee. In elite force, you are able to script/bind photon jumps and MaxFPS settings to help jump out of a trench without using a photon jump. These are not cheats, but I dare not get into detail or the ethics of scripting, as that is a whole thread to itself. Many have been accused of having special running scripts and such, but again, no proof. So enjoy and do not cry wolf for the love of Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps2maddenman Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I understand your point, but usually in on-line ladders and on-line leagues, running scripts are considered "cheating" I say leave it up to the players to decide if someone is cheating, I agree about not rushing to call someone a cheater, but an experienced player can usually tell cheaters right off the back and the cheaters should be booted, if servers allow scripting it should be clear to all who enter, if not, it should be accepted that these scripts are considered "cheating" to the online community and if you are running them realize this is the reason you are being booted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniKorn Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I've been playing elite force since it came out. I do not consider scripting as cheats. I altered my visuals (high brightness,...), did change my maxfps and fov. But these are things that you can do by hand. I also use some sort of scripting to send team messages. But these are common things in online combat using the quake3 engine. I play(ed) in WRLD, who won clanbase season 1&2, and the eliteforceleague, and have been accused of cheating many times, as have been my clanmates, although we never did. Highly skilled players can run faster by bunnyhopping. Using the correct technique in ef on certain maps you can even run faster than someone who has the haste powerup. People who use aimbots are cheaters in my opinion, but I actually never saw people use it in ef. In the clanbattles against n! I sometimes wondered how the hell they were able to rail me so much, but these guys are very good, and sometimes a high skilled player can appear to be a cheater, even though he isn't. Be careful when you call someone a cheater, and make sure that you are 100% sure. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak3n Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Well i've played ef for over a year and am part of ccc^ (who will be playing JO) and we are 'good', and have won most of our matches (through tactics and very good team work) and because of this we do get a lot of stick from people accuseing us of cheating, when we do not....scripts, yes we do have them but the only ones i use is one that changes the games look so it runs smooth and allows you to see enemies better, but u still need skill to frag ppl There are 'aimbot's' out there but very few people use them but if they do it's easily spotted - i mean every shot a head shot...more or less. If people do cheat there is only one way to combat them, and that is to simply ignore them or leave the server.....they want to cheat....fine, they can do it on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Wolf Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Unless the person is blatently using some sort of cheat in cs i rarely call them out, because..whats it going to change? I just leave and move on. I am a experienced cs chick which puts me in a odd situtation because men LOATHE being owned by anyone let alone a girl. I get called a hax0rz 95 % of the time i play and i didnt even know how hax worked until about 5 months ago when i watched a movie on it( why play with the toys of the demon). My experience has been that no matter how good you are theres ALWAYS someone better, just suck it up and move on. If someones cheating, it just means there extremly inadequate in real life..let it go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Usually if you aren't the server or mod there's no point in accussing alot unless it's go damn blatant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Com Raven Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Hmmm, I hope cheating won't be as much of an issue as in lamerstrike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrEEpaGe Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 imo, scripting is cheating.... cheating by my definition is....well that is a tough one, and i might have to explain it in context...imo, scripting something that you should have to do by skill and not by your own two hands, is cheating. plain and simple...autoaim is a good example, and i know that everyone would agree that it is a hack...however, doing key binds to accomplish things that it is a given that you can do (i would guess that the photon jump like the RL jump in ut and CR jump in jk, but if im wrong, correct me heh)...i really do wish that jk had a keybind ability so that i could jump and shoot with the same button...i have not played EF and am simply going on experience, but from what i can tell, the scripting you are using are not cheats at all...the bad scripting is such that 'make up' for your 'physical shortcomings' ie being too much of a newbie to aim right and have to make it so that you dont lose etc etc. (i hate autoaim, can you tell?) well, thats my 3 cents..heh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Originally posted by Agen_Terminator Usually if you aren't the server or mod there's no point in accussing alot unless it's go damn blatant. Indeed, but alot of cheating is usually done in a way so that it is not obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saient Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Cheating is always a problem in games. I wish OrangeSmoothie would make more OSP versions other that the grandaddy Quake 3 it usualy works pretty good and they need to make it availible for other games using the q3 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Was there much cheating with Quake 3 or Elite Force?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krak3n Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 there has been little cheating in ef, if any , Q3, i think there was some cheating in the beginning but was phased out by patchs. Medal of Honor : Allied Assult, another Q3 based game had cheats at the start but ea were quick to release a patch to prevent it. If there are cheats it's up to the developer to release a fix, if that isn't possible, just walk away and let them be lamers on their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Raven will stop cheaters. They wont even need to bring out a patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Sadly, I think that unless people change, the cries of "cheater cheater" will never stop. There will always be sore losers or ignorant folk who call everything that stops them from winning "cheating." However, as to actual cheating, that's anyone's guess. The same potential for cheating exists in JK2 as in any other Quake3 engine based game. Pure servers will go a long way to prevent actual cheating though (I hope). Being able to kick people much easier will also help keep it under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Lando Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Cheaters like to hang out behind the big tree behind the JK servers, you know, the one with the tree house. To successfully combat the cheaters I say we split up go around the server and hit the cheaters with a quick one two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Or we can just call their moms.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps2maddenman Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Hey Darth Lando, that map cracks me up, very funny indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS_Tomcat Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I hope there wont be an "unlimited force seeing hack" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TE]DarthBob Posted February 14, 2002 Author Share Posted February 14, 2002 Kurgan, I agree. But something I neglected to mention in a related thread. Yes, it will be easier to kick people from the console, but only those with the server Rcon password can do this. Maybe that's old news, but just wanted to throw it out there. Elite Force supports the Call Vote option, where you can call a vote to kick someone or change maps. But most admins, including myself got sick and tired of roaming gangs of Yahoo's (Hmmm, cool name for a clan) comming into a middle of a public server match and switching maps, thus erasing scores and starting everything over. Not to mention calling votes to kick innocent folks. So most most Elite Force servers have the call vote turned off. Again, I think the subject of scripts deserves its own thread. But scripts in the common sense in EF are NOT cheats. Maybe the term "scripts" holds a differnt value in the JK world? In EF, they are for the gamer inclined. Think of it as tweaks. And there are many web sites dedicated to explaining the tweaks. I suspect the same will be true in JK2. Aw...what the heck! Lets just do the following to the cheaters! http://www.fileplanet.com/index.asp?file=84057 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Yeah, the voting thing could be abused.. I figure if you want to stop cheaters, you have to moderators. And yeah, for dedicated servers that kind of necessitates voting, if pure servers aren't enough. A moderator could just periodically check the server, and boot people who were screwing things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercenaryI{aos Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 I foun one incidence in EF. This guy was the doctor ok. His model stayed in one spot the whole time. You shoot and shoot... it passes thru the model. lasers come from in front of you but noone is there. you die:ball: It say 'killed by (I forget the name)' The guy with the stand still model!!! Actually my friend was playing when this happened but it was at my house and I was watching. My friend said the guy was majorly hacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_One Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 Make the cheaters stop!!! Make the cheaters go away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lunatic Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Yes Kurgan moderators would be the most effective way to rid the game of cheats. But who wants to sit in a game making sure no-one's cheating? It's an illogical solution. It's better cramming the server with anti-cheat software. The servers i play counter-strike on actually scan files on your hard drive to see if you are cheating! If someone is cheating a message comes up during the game saying the name of the person, and what cheat they use. Their wonid is then permanently banned from playing on those servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TE]DarthBob Posted February 16, 2002 Author Share Posted February 16, 2002 Mercenary, I suspect you were shooting at the player's decoy, and while you were busy trying to fill it with lead, the player came out of hiding to nail you. Darth Lunatic, the Q3 pure servers will insure no cheating takes place. If any cheating is suspected, all I'm recommending is for people to gather proof first, research, before acusing people of cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broode Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Darth Lunatic: That might sound good in theory, but I was perma-banned from my favorite network of CS servers for an aimbot that I had downloaded as a joke a few months earlier, THAT WASNT EVEN RUNNING! Thats right, it was in my CS dir, even though i had long scince forgotten about it, an i was banned. I don't play CS anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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