Do you still want a demo?

[Tasuki]

if you just play the first level you don't ruin the excitment cause its the same as getting it early.

[BioHazardJrSh]

Well Before we knew when it was going gold and the official date...I was dying for a demo...But now that I know when its coming out and that i prepayed in full...that rush kinda went down now since I know it will be in my hands in 2 weeks..However if the demo did come out sure i would go download it..But im not sitting here anymore wondering if one will come out or not

[jedimindtrick]

I want a demo for the pure enjoyment of playing this amazing game, but I would also like to see if it runs well on my system.

Even if it meets the requirements...

[Guest Apparition]

Originally posted by SaberPro

Probably not since the game is about a week away...it would probably ruin the game if you play the demo...I don't know..just my opinion

 

Try 2 weeks.

[JR2000Z]

I wouldn't download the demo even if the game is coming out next month.

[RichyBoy]

I think it's perfectly understandable that some of you guys don't want a demo as you want to wait for the full game without spoiling any surprises. I remember when Ep 1 was released in the UK; it was released nearly a month later than in the USA, but all the merchandise came out at the same time as in the US. It was virtually impossible to go into a shop without seeing something that told you new plot info about the film, so that when the film actually came out, you knew nearly 90% of the plot anyway. By far the biggest example of marketing idiocy I know of was releasing the soundtrack CD with the tracklisting on the back naming one of the tracks as "Qui-Gon's Funeral". Hope the moron that did that got fired !

 

However, the simple fact remains that even if you don't want to play a demo and they happen to release one - you don't actually HAVE to download and play it do you? I'm aware that it may create the risk of people putting loads of spoilers up in the forum, but provided everyone sticks to the rules re: labelling spoilers that shouldn't be a problem. Besides, a simple single level demo is unlikely to include any earth-shattering revelations from the full game is it?

[DemonKiller]

no demo needed, I just hope the pre-ordered people (myself included) get it right before or at least ON the 29th...anyone know LEC track record for pre-orders???

[WD_ToRMeNt]

I'd like a demo because I'd still like to see if the MP is worth spending the money on. Also there are several people waiting for JK2 (demo or full, whichever comes first) so they can join WD. If the demo comes out a week or a few days before the full that's fine, I'll dl it.

[Kurgan]

Yes, of course I want a demo! I don't care if the game is already in the store, having a demo is a must...

 

Besides, how else will I be able to get people interested in the game?

 

Everybody keeps repeating the same tired old shtick about "why do you want a demo when you can just buy the game?"

 

Well, again, some people would like to get an idea of what the game is like (reviews, screenshots and videos are no substitute for actual hands-on gameplay).

 

I played the JK and MotS demos before I got the full game, and they didn't spoil it for me.

 

Demos are important, because they can help a person make a decision before they spend their 50 bucks or so on a game. Some games I've been excited about, played the demo, and found out how horrible they were, thus saving me time and money. Other games that I wasn't anticipating, I changed my mind about and bought after trying the demo.

 

For all the people who are buying the game without playing it before hand, that's fine... but a demo does have a purpose, and it is helpful to many people. It's not up to us of course whether or not one gets released... though the Raven folks obviously see our opinons (but then LEC is the one making the decision). If you really want a demo, I say let them know, you don't have to just assume they aren't going to make one and disparage the idea just because of that. Just a thought...

[Abomination5]

I check this site more than 10 times a day hoping for a demo please grant us one!

[Pedro The Hutt]

Altough I'm probably not going to get it since the game is just 13 days away, it would be cool if they made a demo anyways. (especially if it's one of them more special demos.. ya know, sometimes designers make a special level for the demo that is not seen in the full game, that would be neat. ^_^ )

[CaptainRAVE]

No point now really considering there are only 13 days to wait

[JediDante]

Yeah I would like a demo even though Ebgames now says it ships on the 27th of march.

 

Darn I love EB!

[Pedro The Hutt]

Originally posted by boba fett c3po

pedro da spel komt wel later in belgie uit

That's no problem to me, I import ^_^

[Locke101]

personally i don't care if a demo released. WHY?? well the game is going to be here in less then 2 weeks now and i think that the Raven guys deserve a nice vacation. They've worked very hard to put this game together in just only a year. I think they should take a 2-3week vacation and then come back and make an add-on. :D

 

[Cracken]

Yo quiero el demo del juego.

[Kurgan]

A good demo means more hype for the game = more sales, so why would they not want one? An early vacation would be nice, but they likely don't need the whole team there to make a demo, and if it's just levels from the full game, it would take even less time and manpower to create. Raven's reason for not wanting to do a demo was because it would "take time away" from the full game. But since the full game is DONE, then it's just a matter of wanting to move onto something else. However, that's up to LEC.

 

Besides, if it was a "brand new" mission in the demo, like with Half Life's "UPLink" then even those of us who already owned teh full version would want to download and play it! Ever think about that?

 

So yes, demo all the way, I'm sure LEC will make the right decision and release one straight away.

[troop5]

Well as much as i would love to be playing a demo right now, businesswise i doubt there will be a demo until the full game release. Why?

 

Everyone here is excited about this game, they know we are all going to buy it. If they did all the work to make a demo and get it out before hand, it is time consuming and if ppl had problems with the demo or didnt like something about it they might not buy the game.

 

At least thats what i think.

 

But if tomorrow i saw a downloadable demo you bet your ass i would be downloading it.

 

I cant wait for this game!

[Kurgan]

Everyone here is excited about this game, they know we are all going to buy it. If they did all the work to make a demo and get it out before hand, it is time consuming and if ppl had problems with the demo or didnt like something about it they might not buy the game

 

Yeah, but you have to realize, with as many people who hang around here (14,198) that's still a tiny fraction of the number of people who will get the game. Think of the JK community... it sold what.. over a million copies? We make up about 1% (or less) of the overall community!

 

So even if everyone here is all doing one thing, that isn't to say that everyone is. Not everyone who is going to buy a game buys it the week it comes out. Some are like I often am, and wait until a game is cheap to buy it. Or they buy it for a special occasion.. a birthday, Christmas, etc.

 

People may hear about a game, but pay it no mind, until they get a demo in their favorite game magazine, or see it online, and try it out, like it, and then go looking for it.

 

I bet you most people are NOT like us, who have been following the game's development every step of the way, reading every preview, looking at every screenshot, and visiting LEC.com and JK2.net every day for news. Most people probably hear about the title, if that, and then they don't even notice until they see it on the store shelf. Most games I don't hear about until they're released.. I see them in the store, turn over the box, look at the screenshots, and read what's on there. I think to myself "hmmm.." then I go home and search the net to see if there's a demo. Play it, and if I like it, I'll put the game down on my list of stuff to consider next time I have the money to spare.

 

Or a person might be reading in a gaming mag, about some game how great it is. So they decide to check out the demo to see if the reviewer was right (because not everyone agrees with what reviewers say). Etc.. you get the idea.

 

Sure, a company wouldn't want to make a BAD demo that would turn people away from the game, so they'd have to make sure they made a GOOD one, that attracted people. See, if they can make a good game, they can make a good demo. It cuts both ways, if they make a bad game, people will return them, complain, whatever, and discourage others from buying it. So the same thing can happen. So they make a good game, and a good demo, that convinces people that aren't sure, or haven't heard of the game, to get the full game.

 

Some people use warez as an excuse because they say "well I want to try before I buy." Well if there's a demo, they don't have that excuse, do they? Granted, they may make up some other excuse to pirate a game, but that's one less reason to.

 

And making a demo is nowhere near as costly and time consuming as making a whole game... especially once the game itself is completely finished. A lot of people would rather not risk buying a game that they might end up not liking, or finishing in a day and then letting it gather dust on the shelf. Thus, they'd rather play a free demo and see if it's any good first.

 

Sure a demo has to go through testing and stuff to makes sure it works, but a lot of that testing is already done for you with the testing that was done on the game engine and the full version. In addition, it's smaller, so there's less to test. Plus they don't have to worry about pressing cd's of it (though I'm not sure if they send any to magazines, or the mag's press their own with the other demos they put on disc) and they don't have to print boxes, manuals, etc. They just zip/rar/whatever up the installation files and off it goes to the FTP's or the inboxes of the magazine guys.

 

It's just important to keep in mind, that as big of fans are here on this network, there is still a wider group of people out there that make up the "community."

 

I can see why it would make sense not to make a fully functional demo before the full game is finished (since something might significantly change that would make people dislike the change between the demo and full) but I think they would have adequate time to make a nice demo between the time the full game goes gold, and it hits shelves in the general release (15 days, in this case).

[troop5]

I understand what you are saying, about the part you said you go to the store and look at the box and go home and get a demo, i do that myself.

 

But this is Jedi Outcast, im sure most of the people that were fans of the original dark forces series knows this title will be good, theres no need to demo it.

Most people who has never played the dark forces series wouldnt even know this title existed, therefore a demo after release would make sense.

 

Think about that.

[troop5]

On an extra note though, i dont care one way or another if a demo is being made now or whatever, im just glad the gold copy is done and our copies are being boxed as we speak.

 

It was good they made the march release, it looks like all their hard work paid off, the game really looks great.

[Necro]

i agree with kurgan's wise words of wisdom

 

[Kurgan]

Behold the Power of the Force Long Post! ; )

 

But this is Jedi Outcast, im sure most of the people that were fans of the original dark forces series knows this title will be good, theres no need to demo it.

 

Not necessarily, when us DF fans were thinking of Obi-Wan as the "next Dark Forces game" as we were urged to by the developers (until they changed their minds when the game was switched to the console platform, etc), we all thought it would be good, but then it turned out our assumptions were pretty much unfounded. ; p

 

In any case, having a demo helps... not all game sequels are good, and so it often pays to see for yourself.

 

 

Most people who has never played the dark forces series wouldnt even know this title existed, therefore a demo after release would make sense.

 

Sure. A demo before release would also make sense, but the excuse given was that they didn't have enough man-power/time to do it, without jeopardising the release of the full game on time (right? that's how I'd interpret their words anyway). The JK demo (at least one of them) came out before the full game, and it was a pretty good demo, at least in terms of showing off what the game could do.

 

All I'm saying, is that there shouldn't be any reason that the Raven/LEC team can't put together a passable JK2 demo between the time JK2 went gold and the time it hits store shelves and put it up for download. And there shouldn't be any logical reason not to TRY... other than they just "don't want to."

 

I highly doubt that the programmers, game developers, etc need to be present to press the cd's, print the boxes and put them together, put them into boxes to send to the stores, etc. So once the game has gone gold, the developers should be free to work on a demo... heck, the whole team doesn't need to be there, a skeleton crew could finish the demo in a fraction of the time it took to create the full game. Think of how quickly they put together the E3 demo, minus the time they had to take to construcct the modified engine.. by now it should be old hat (since the full game is done). Sound reasonable?