Not real impressed with the Single player game

[Guest Hellbinder]

I started out pretty excited about the game. I finished it tonight. As the game rolled on i got more and more dissapointed.

 

Here are the MAJOR issues that totally drag this game into the mire.

 

1. The Endless Jumping that is required. Worse than just the 5,000,000,000 jumps in this game. The real problem is that 85% of these jumps are at the very limit of the jump range. Thus requiring perfection, something NO difficulty setting can affect. The end result is having to restart (because you fell a zillion miles to your death) over, and over, OVER.... constantly, endlessly... Creating an atmosphere of frustration beyond ANY game I have played in recent memory.

 

Pointless totally pointless... (get some new game designers)

 

2. The Quake engine.. Some development houses have taken the Q3:TA engine and Transformed it into a new creation.. Like 2015 and MOHAA. Raven, however has managed to take tke Star Wars universe and make it look just like Q3. Fantastic achievement, the blocky Q3 style square rooms with a coupple do-dadds thrown on the ceiling just DONT cut it for Star wars guys.. There where a few rooms I walked into that were so appaling that I had flashbacks to some of the origional square rooms i built back when i was learning to use Worldcraft.

 

3. The Storyline.... Ok my boy kyle finished the last game TOTALLY PURE and good, no attitude problem, no issues with the dark side nada. Yet i read some comments from guys like Ken Hokestra saying that Kyle has always tip-toed between light and dark... Total unequivical BS!!! The last game always gave you a Choice. Some people finished evil and some good. To assume that kyle always rides the fence is just an excuse for your (IMO) Weak WEAK plot. There is NO reaon,or even any support from the last game for kyle to have chucked the Force. None PERIOD. By the end of the last game he was nearly the most powerful Jedi in the universe second only to Luke. It is insulting, and irritating, that Kyle in this game has (for some unknown and moronic) reason shuned the Force, got rid of his lightsaber, and is a total noob all over again.

 

The storyline takes one illfated turn after the next, and by the end of the game the guy who single handedly beat jarec and D man is still considered a Trainee who needs to join the academy. Personally i dont get it. Nor do i get how luke can consider him a decent fellow when he goes around in this game using Froce Lightning, and Froce Grip, and they are considered "good guy" powers. Raven has managed to do the impossible and trash the Star Wars universe even worse than George Lucas has (in recent years).

 

Yes there is some nice level design on occation and some funny conversations between the troopers. However taken as a whole I am really dissapointed in this game. It would have been a million times better with half the Jumps, a true star wars look and feel, some real models for the vehichles instead of some squares from the game engine tossed together, and a Storyline that actually made sense. Like kyle starting out where he left off. A jedi, who just defeated an enemy worthy of Darth Vader.

[Wesman]

i take it then.... you never played Mysteries of the Sith.... the expansion on JK... the one where Kyle may as well have fell to the dark side...

 

yea, well, you didnt... and the story is fine in that regard.

[Nax]

I would have to agree that the single player thus far feels very little like Dark Forces and VERY MUCH like Quake. Damn shame.

 

Remember when game companies would hire architecture grad students to do single-player level design? Ok, so it was just Lucasarts on the first two Dark Forces games, but I still miss those days.

 

Nax

[SaberPro]

I didn't feel any Q3A environment when I was playing the game...except the Disrupter fire looks like rail gun hehe...

 

Others are pretty Dark Forcelized....

[MechDeus]

Hm. I didn't find the jumping that bad at all. The only time where jumps killed me more then once was at the scene where one is riding the circling platform and you get shot at with rockets, being forced to leap off and jump edges. Sounds to me like you should utilize the Quicksave button more often.

 

Next, your comments on the story sound much more like you simply didn't play the whole thing (though I realize you did... I'm guessing). I do believe the fact that Kyle could have been good or evil in JK help represents the fact that the Dark Side is always tempting. Just because one finishes a storyline in a certain manner does not mean the other paths don't have lingering effects. Kyle is (fictional, yes, but nevertheless) human, and has such flaws. Next, they skip eight years. Eight! That's a huge amount of time with no knowledge of what's happened, and they did talk about how he felt. Miss that?

 

Also, because someone trains does not make them low-level. Kyle, much like a martial arts studiee, realizes that tuning, focusing, and practice will always make him better, no matter how "strong" he may appear.

 

Why the complaints about the vehicles? The AT-STs in particular looked incredible, and at least they didn't have any of the out-of-place strangeness that occured in JK (anyone else remember the AT-AT inside an impossible location on the side of a cliff, with no way for it to have gotten there or even move?). There was plenty of game design over realistic design (some locations had doors setup solely for enemies to appear out of, as they served no other apparent function, and others had impossible to reach positions with snipers on them), but I never found it annoying or a problem.

 

As for him starting off low-level, a big part of that is game design. It wouldn't be too much fun to just start off at full strength, able to do tons of things but so strong that you can't improve at all. The entire game would be too easy, as full strength powers by the end allow you to just rip through areas with no problems. Now imagine that at the very beginning, with a couple Stormtroopers being your only resistance.

 

As for having all powers, that allowed them to incorparate more of the powers into the actual fighting and some of the quick puzzles. Couple that with unless they also wanted to do two storylines (which would be cool, but we'd also be waiting a few more months at least, probably have this in stores by Fall or even next year), and it makes a lot of the game more fun. Playing by good standards and going up against AT-STs would suck (a full power level 3 Lightning drops one dead).

 

You didn't seem to finish your rant. Considering the other problems you had, I'm surprised you're not complaining about the lack of a story continuation of the Dark Side ending from JK. Heh, that'd make for a fun mod.

[MechDeus]

Originally posted by Nax

Remember when game companies would hire architecture grad students to do single-player level design? Ok, so it was just Lucasarts on the first two Dark Forces games, but I still miss those days.

Oni (Rockstar Games) also did.

[Darksider]

jesus we know you dont like the game navaros , why the hell are you still here?

[Chanke4252]

I think the poster's thoughts are legitimate and they are his opinions and he gives reason he didnt like something and something they could do to improve it (constructive).

 

On a side note, go away Navaros. We've heard what you said already in your 40 other useless threads.

[MDiaz]

Originally posted by Hellbinder

1. The Endless Jumping that is required. Worse than just the 5,000,000,000 jumps in this game. The real problem is that 85% of these jumps are at the very limit of the jump range.

 

Wow, you need to learn how to jump. I only had problems with a couple jumps in the entire game - the trial jump and a couple nar shaddar (sp?) jumps. You know you can crouch jump, right? And jumping in 3rd person is a lot easier.

 

Originally posted by Hellbinder

2. The Quake engine.. Some development houses have taken the Q3:TA engine and Transformed it into a new creation.. Like 2015 and MOHAA. Raven, however has managed to take tke Star Wars universe and make it look just like Q3.

 

You are totally smoking crack. Medal of Honor looks as much like Q3 as JK2 did... I don't know where you get off making that kind of criticism... and, besides, I didn't see a lightsaber and Ghoul2 or scripting in Quake 3 (or a single player game for that matter). Get a clue, man.

 

Originally posted by Hellbinder

3. The Storyline....

 

One word: SPOILERS!!!! Another word: ANAL. Get over it, dude.

 

And if you weren't thrilled by the lightsaber and combat with other jedi (not to mention the huge levels (MOHAA has dinky levels 1/4 the size of JK2 levels, at most), force powers and drivable AT-ST), you must have really not been playing the game to have fun (probably cheat-coded your way through?), sorry, dude.

 

Overall, your criticisms are so incredibly petty that they have no real bearing on the game as a whole. I don't expect you to listen to me (you're obviously fixated on these things), but, for the sake of other people, let me say this: THIS GUY IS SMOKING CRACK

 

Oh yeah, Navaros too.

 

PS- This messageboard's server SUCKS! It took half an hour (at 4am in the morning!!!) repeatedly trying to post before it would go through. What did they spend, 5 bucks on their server?

[walpurgis999]

You like this game. (waves his hand) You will never compare this game to any other Star Wars games again. (waves his hand) You will give into the power of the Jedi Outcast side (waves his hand) Screw it. (Cuts him in half with his purple lightsaber)

Seriously, im not a big fan of Q3 games, but this game is one of the most enjoyable games I ever played. Sure, there are too many jumps, and the beginning with out the lightsaber isnt too fun. But once I got the saber and started encountering the Reborn (which could have been a little more evil looking), I couldnt stop playing. JO by far has the best use of the lightsaber in any Star Wars game. Plus the g_saberRealisticCombat 1 cheat makes the saber that much more fun.

[Zagadka]

IIRC, he says something like "spost," which I presume is a curse in some other language. It didn't bother me at all. I don't think that the voice acting was either good or bad.

 

While the storyline wasn't STRONG by any stretch of the word, it isn't the worst I've ever seen. I wouldn't play it for the story, but that was never the point.

 

The thing that frustrated me was the endless jumping puzzles. I hate jumping puzzles. Puzzles, OK. Figuring out how to do things, OK. Spending an hour jumping back and forth doing something, NO. HELL NO. ***SPOILER*** Activating the comm system on the second to last level was a *****, and I hated every second of it. If it takes the player 20 seconds to figure out and 20 minutes to do... something is very wrong.***END SPOILER***

 

I would like to have seen more real PUZZLES solved with things laying around and your powers, not jumping, or finding the right crate/grate/window/lever.

 

As far as level design... Bespin was neat, Yavin looked great but was poorly laid out. Nar Shadaa was just plain annoying. The mines were typical FPS, and the ships are ships... not much choice in level design.

 

I was very disappointed to see no dynamic plot, like JK1. One of the coolest things about that game was choosing your path and having the game react to it... in JK2, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARK. I mean, WTF? ***SPOILER*** In the last level, I Gripped a Reborn and a friendly Jedi finished him off. Um? What?

[Darksider]

spast , stang and sithspit are all star wars curses

[Darth Bjorn]

Originally posted by Hellbinder

Nor do i get how luke can consider him a decent fellow when he goes around in this game using Froce Lightning, and Froce Grip, and they are considered "good guy" powers.

 

Uh, didn't Skywalker force grip one of those green pig guard thingies in Return of the Jedi?

[MDiaz]

Originally posted by Zagadka

I Gripped a Reborn and a friendly Jedi finished him off. Um? What?

 

Um, what was he supposed to do, buy him therapy? Should Obi Wan have given Darth Maul flowers instead of CUTTING HIM IN HALF after he skewered Qui Gon Jin?

 

Please.

[Mustang76]

Yep you guys are smoking crack, but I suppose there has to be some people who don't like it. Jedi Knight was one of my most memorable gaming experiences and JKII has earned a well deserved place right along side it. Jumping and puzzles while highly frustrating (by the way you are falling a fair bit there, use the quicksave after every jump) do lengthen the game and test the brain matter. The original reason I got into gaming were the puzzles not because they were easy but because they were hard and made you think. Which sadly is something that is not around as much as it should be. Shoot this, blow up that get's boring FAST and JKII was such a breath of fresh air that ive still got a hard on 3 days after completing it. I just hope that there are a lot more games on the way that incorporate a few of JKII features.

[Mattock]

I agree 100% on the storyline.

It was bad.

And hearing Luke Skywalker say "damn" just didn't seem right.

The whole kissing stuff with Kyle and Jan was completely out of place.

 

And lets face it folks, Lightning is a purely darkside weapon. It is the equivelant of your own hate and anger being channeled into energy and shocking the $H!T out of someone. Cmon, no way Luke would approve of that Sure he did choke a couple piggy's in RotJ but in the books he's really went soft.

 

The jumping puzzles were annoying, but not horribly done in my opinion. There was an awful lot of them though.

 

The rest I disagree on. Gameplay was exciting and fun and for the most part I loved it.

 

I say with this game's gameplay and JK 1's storyline, you have one of the greatest games of all time. Instead what you have is a fun game that gets played once or twice at the most and then collects dust on most people's shelves.

 

If not for multiplayer the game would probly be uninstalled even, hehe.

[patchx]

skywalker didnt use the force to choke the gammoreans he used it to send them unconcious.

 

i agree about the darkside being out of place in some spots of the game.theres even a bit when Luke says

"you seem less angry" which ironically was just after i had gripped a few reborn to death.

 

it would have made more sense if you had the dark powers at the beggining when Kyle was jacked off because he thought Jan was dead and then relinquished them after tavion.

this would have made it harder at the end and easier at the beggining too (which to me seemed like it was the other way around in the game as it is)

 

the levels were a bit dodgy i thought too, in one of them you walk through the exact same room about six times (long techno-hallway with pipe things lining the walls)

 

i think raven spent most of their time perfecting the technology of the tweaked engine and the game dynamics more than on level design and art (not enough enemy skins).

 

 

p.s MOHAA had heaps better level design and atmosphere though i am a huge fan of star wars and JO any one who says otherwise is kidding themselves

 

-patch

[TUS_Tomcat]

Well point 1 i can understand... didnt bother me that much but ok

 

point 2 well, i donno, i loved the way it looks, remember that imperial architecture isnt really known for its aesthetic qualities...

 

point 3 dude, you ever play Mysteries of the Sith!@?

 

give me a break...

 

One funny thing i had tho, with Luke / dark side powers was that when you SPOILER

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

fight that bunch of reborn with Luke, we had em all killed but one, then i obliterate the last one with lightning...

 

And then te cutscene comes with Luke sayins i seem less angry

 

i was laughing at that

[Darksider]

As luke said Re: the dark side in The Courtship of Princess Leia (novel) : It is all your spells [force powers] and none of them... the intention with which you use them.

 

Using grip or lightning where it is neccesary is not inherantly evil just because they are 'dark' powers , it is the intent you use the powers with that makes you evil

 

using team healing to heal desaan wouldve made you rather evil

[Jedi Nizar]

I don't know waht's your porbelm.

1- sure the lighting and Grip is a Dark side power but to understand that you should play Mysterie of the Sith.

 

2- the Story is 100% good

 

3- designe an Arichitecture is also 100% perfect and make feel in real Star Wars universe

 

4- the puzzel are good too, alot of jumping ok, but you have the fast save.

 

 

the only thing I dislike, is the poor choise of charackter/Skin in MP

 

and one other thing they shoulded do is a training with the lightsaber wehre you and your ennemy don't take damage but where you can learn all the acrobatik thing and lightsaber moves

 

 

PS: sorry for my poorly english

[jedi-redemption]

im sorry i find this whole thread amazing. what would you prefer

 

1. jumping skillfully throught parts of a level (which adds sum action to the game btw)

 

or

 

2. go around tapping an action key against all the walls looking for secrets, or to pass the level. (tottaly boring and repetitive)

 

 

my arguement = you can die from cratering by missing a jump but the only thing your gunna die by, by tapping the wall is repetitive strain injury.

 

any1 else have the same opinion or am i just biased over such a good game

?

[Amorpheus]

Originally posted by Jedi Nizar

3- designe an Arichitecture is also 100% perfect and make feel in real Star Wars universe

The levels could be far better regarding realism, only some common sense would be required there. The game has plenty of downright unrealistic spots that just made me scratch my head and wonder what the level designer was on when making that.

[Chanke4252]

I dont know why you wouldnt want jumping. Without jumping and getting places that normal people cant your basically just a stormtrooper with a lightsaber. Jedi are supposed to be able to jump and make use of their maneuverability. In some levels you are able to get places that normal folk were not intended to get to. Thats what makes your character special and thats what gives your character a distinct edge over the hordes of enemies who are all trying to kill you. I myself have many more criticizms of MoH:AA than I do of JK. The very hallway like outdoor areas, the near absense of a stealth system, the uncanny accuracy of the enemy troops shots, that it sometimes takes 2 head shots to drop an enemy soldier, or maybe that a soldier can somehow manage to hit you with every bullet by firing around a corner without even looking. If you wanted realistm in the jumping and force power area, then dont pick up a starwars title, especially one with the words Jedi and Knight in them.

 

PS- On the level design bit, was I the only one who was completely reminded of Dark Forces in the first level?

[Darksider]

We know your opinions Navaros, youve stated them dozens of times, the same thing every time, blah blah blah doom 1 graphics blah blah blah blah pixel hunting blah blah blah blah music .

 

The fact that you can jk2 has doom 1 graphics just proves that you create these posts for no purpose other than sowing discord.

 

 

**WE DONT CARE**

 

We dont want your crappy spam on these boards

 

You are free to have an opinion , and share it , which you have done

 

We dont tolerate mindless spamming from anyone regardless of what their opinions may be

 

You seem to have nothing new to add beyond nonsensical flames and critcism you cannot back up with any real facts, you say absoloutely stupid things that any sane person can see is pure crap (yeah.. doom 8 sided sprites compared to the brilliant 3d models present in jk2)

 

If you hate the game so much why the hell are you still here? You have absoloutley no purpose here and yet you remain, posting flamebait, trashing the game for those who like it and being an allround jackass.

 

We dont want your idiocy on these boards.

 

Why is that concept so hard for you to understand???

[jedi-redemption]

you no i thought i was sad. i thought i was sad for liking this game and spending a full 48 hours on the forums. then i think of you navaro and i feel much better. your sad beyond words most tedious phrases. how dare you quote me without my permission. you spend all of your time on here flaming and trollin. ok most people that dont like the game may just let known and be off the forums for eva. its obvius to us you are just going on these forums just to r4g3 people. im sorry but it just doesnt seem right.