Dueling Psychology...

[Eddie Cho]

Depends. On a LAN game I can!

[Jah Warrior]

For me the best pschological tactic is to hold perfectly still but remain poised, this will sometimes lull the opponent into a false sense of security and when they inevitably jump in with the heavy downward attack you simply sidestep and mash em round the back of the head with your sabre. I've had loads of results with this tactic.

 

The other one is to steam straight in and rattle them, especially the cocky ones. I normally hold still and let them attack first and have a cool counter attack so when they get used to that i simply rush them... Always remain unpredictable is the key. I am by no means an expert but this is what i do in real fights down the pub and it works there too!

 

 

Increace the peace.

 

Maff

[leelink]

I have to post on this and say this actaully works in matches. expecially the ctf_ns street map. I walk around with my saber off and when someone rushes me. off the edge they go. or i rush at them with the saber off and they think nothing of it and boom, a backkick to the head and flying into a oblivion they go. If you see me with my saber off i suggest you do what most people do and run. Also I hate wussy cry babies that kick me off there server because they cant defend against my moves. learn to play and quit your crying wusses.

 

Leelink

[Dusan]

This BS will only annoy the hell out of me. I won't be "scared" of anyone who walks around with their shadow trooper skin taunting me.

And another thing, BOWING. This REALLY ticks me off.

What, do you have no lives? Don't give me this "respect" crap, you wussies stop your RPG bowing and whip it out.

 

If I see someone walk down steps and bow I slice their head off. It gives me pleasure.

 

Just today I did this and the girl goes "NICE BOW <BLEEP> <BLEEP> <BLEEP>" you can fill in the rest.

How LAME can you get? Nice bow? Hah. I laughed so hard I almost forgot to finish the little runt off.

 

Another thing to do to bowers is moon them. Take down your sabers, and shake your butt at them, it really pisses them off. That's some psychology for you

[BacMeth]

did anyone else notice that everyone that comes in here saying RPG mode is crap is telling us that he kicks ass and is the best gamer ever?

 

nobody has to play RPG like....

how bout seperating RPG from normal playing?

 

a good RPG mod... RPG mentioned in server names... stuff like that

 

if those macho players just wanna kill ... well i wont stop em

 

but when i'm playing i wanna have fun.. i dont use that rpg stuff to scare ppl... i think its just a great atmosphere if both are bowing and stuff....

[Diavo]

I love these ideas!

The other day I was watching my friend {RA}Jay playing CTF, and I told him about the stuff I read here. He decided to try it out on the spot. The map was Temple Tourny. He was in one of the enemy base's wings by a side door. Red reborn. He WALKED into the base, walked to the flag (it wasn't there), turned around, saw the blue guy w/ the red flag coming in from the front grey door. He killed him as he approached, recovered the flag, and WALKED out of the base unharmed!!!! I was SO incredibly cool, talk about confidence.

(true it was mostly luck, but I think no one considered him a threat, their flag wasn't there, and here comes this guy with no gun, saber off, walking. I would've thought "easy kill" myself.)

 

So we joke: he walked in, did his business, and walked out.

 

--Diavo, aka Ruby Bleils, aka Wookie Feet

[Kreidian]

I think that people that say psychology is useless in a game like this don't realize how much they're being affected by it.

 

I know that psychology makes a huge difference in all my sabre duels. I do sometimes walk around with my sabre turned off and it's a real psychological boost in the game. I've had people psych me out like this before and they are suddenly much harder to beat.

 

Here's an interesting tactic that tend to really freak people out if you're playing with strangers. Say Nothing. Especially avoid using taunts. Hear me out on this... instead of talking smack to your opponent or taunting him, just remain calm and silent. You have to have great dueling skills for this to work, but as you start gaining kills, your silence will really start freaking people out. One of the most intimidating things about Darth Maul was that he was all buisness when it came to fighting. He wouldn't waste any time gloating or taunting his opponents, he'd come in calmly, kick ass, and move on, all withoug saying a word. I've seen players that do alot of initmidating things, such as walking around with their sabre off, etc. But then they are suddenly alot less intimidating as soon as they hit that taunt key.

 

I've also noticed that getting people frustrated adds a definate psychological advantage. Something I would do that would tick people off is I'd be on a high ledge or platform where you had to use force jump to get up there, and I'd wait, sabre turned off, for my opponent to get up there. However, every time he'd try to jump on the ledge I'd use push to keep him away, and cause him to fall all the way back down. Sometimes he'd fall far enough to cause a little bit of damage. Not much by any means, but it was irritating nonetheless. I'd keep doing this for a long time frustrating the hell out of my opponent. By the time I finally let them up there they are so frustrated that they because really easy to kill with a single heavy swing.

 

Psychology adds a huge factor to the game that makes it a great deal more fun and immersive. I also have to fall in with BacMeth as far as RPG goes. A cool RPG mod would be awesome.

 

If you think that all this psychology is BS and that I'm a total lamer n00b for using it, then great. I want you to think that, it will just make it easier for me to psych you out when we finally duel.

 

Kreidian

 

p.s. BTW the Drain/Grip combo is so NOT intimidating. For me at least it's all too easy to counter that with absorb and push. I find that people that use that combination are really easy to beat. A good light-side dueler is much more of a challenge.

[darth milo]

Here are my mind **** techniques for no force saber dueling:

 

1) Sometimes bow, sometimes rush the bum. I do not mind the bowing, but I hate people falling asleep.

 

2) Every once in awhile hide and walk around crouched for stealth. Then jump out and scare the bejeezus out of them. Especially intimidating if you do without turning on the saber. Good to use on the office map.

 

3) Run at guys with your saber off. As soon as they go for theirs back off or just run by them. Then chat laugh at them for being scared or taunt.

 

4) With saber off just dodge and avoid for the first couple of minutes. Once they see they cannot touch you, they get stupid from the anxiety. Works especially good against red swinging *****s.

 

5) Saber off if they are not close enough to get you. Hides what style the next swipes will be in.

 

darth milo

Uber Sith, Department of Motor Vehicles

[~(\/)iasma->]

I was on duel server that had a ridiculous 30 kill limit. That is, one person had to kill the other person 30 times before the next person in line could even come in. I found it to be highly satisfying because you fight the same person for a long time and can really get into your groove as they get into theirs. This makes for some very fun battles. Funny thing is, the next person came in to duel me and duh.. all of a sudden that first fight was very different than fight 47 with the last guy. Doh new person, must adapt. What I did was exactly what you guys are talking about and it was freakin' hilarious.

 

As a goof I just walked straight at the guy, sabre off. He used his Drain on me but I just continued walking towards him, and as he is backing away, presumably thinking "what the **** is this guy doing?" I for+strL+attack and killed him dead. He comes back and we do almost the exact same thing. He drained me of the Force as I walked towards him sabre off, ignite it and kill him again. When he respawned I looked up at him on his platform and +taunt. ( I use the Chiss model, and I don't think anybody last night thought I was a wussie) I love his taunt, "Out of sight, Out of Mind". This guy for the rest of the time is a freaking bunny rabbit hopping madly all over the place. He would bounce around and I just calmly walked towards him or roll to get near him or walk on a wall to land next to him and he would hop away or throw his sabre or Drain or Lightning. I couldn't stop laughing, it was so funny. He didn't want to be anywhere near me because when we got close he seemed to die and I didn't. I guess that because I had my groove on it helped to make being able to do this a possibility. I didn't intentionally do this to "scare" him (the first time that is ), I just wanted to try out the walking lol.

 

By his actions, however, it was clear that something had happened to his mental state and his play style became very erratic and lacked intent. So I went with it for a while and one time after he died he just didn't show up again. I realize that this will not work on everyone and it doesn't need to. My intent with doing it is not to scare you, I actually do the walking because it is better for landing an accurate sabre hit. I may or may not be better than you, doesn't matter. I win if I win and lose if I lose. I have absolutely enjoyed meeting up with you people and locking sabres, all in good fun.

 

Look me up, I'd love to taunt you a second time - Miasma

[Pippen]

The biggest thing I see is that people are too in a hurry to go in and just slug it out. Makes it much easier for me because I can corner them or turn them around and they are lost.

 

Practice patience. Dont be in such a rush to get in there. I let them make the mistakes and counter them. Usually ends up in a kill for me.

[[PMV] Joker]

Just thought I'd throw this up here, since I found it rather interesting.

The other day I was going through Kazaa, looking for the fight scene from Episode 1 (The only scene worth watching in the whole bloody movie) because I wanted to try making a map based off of it.

Anyway, I got the scene and noticed that the whole of dueling combat in Outcast is basically taken from that one 5 minute scene. You don't see any of the dancing / twirling around in the first (read: original) episodes, but it's all over the place there. The medium stance's defensive flip move is ripped directly from there, as are basically all of the light / medium stance spinning combos. Maul uses the Force Push and all 3 of them deliver liberal amounts of kicks to the head (although they don't backflip). And the real reason the fight lasted 5 minutes was that none of them were using anything remotely close to the heavy stance...

And, something that matches up completely to this thread...intimidation was a big thing, as was turning off the saber. In that little section where Maul and ****ing Liam Neeson get separated, Liam shuts the saber down, as does Maul. But! Maul comes out victorious because he looks about 10 times harder as he starts pacing back and forth making menacing little growls while Liam just sits there like the idiot he is and then gets his ass cut down 30 seconds later.

 

Also, if you really want to do the best taunts, the best way to go is to bind them up to keys. This not only lets you get off a coherent taunt with the push of a button, it sort of leaves your opponent with a small obligation to respond. I'm working on converting almost all of my keyboard to Monkey Island swordfighting insults.

 

- [PMV] Joker

[[PMV] AnimlMthr]

You ****ing *****! Now you're using my tactics of Monkey Island Insult Fighting? You could have at least given me credit in your post. It's ok though, because next time we are duking it out on the LAN, and you say, "You fight like a diary farmer." I'll have won the battle when I respond, "How appropriate. You fight like a cow."

 

{PMV} Animal Mother

[Twins of Doom]

i'm not sure if it's been posted yet but.........

 

when you use a taunt, most of the time a saber throw will get through, and turning off your lightsaber i really wouldn't suggest, somebody will just saber throw and hit you good

 

walking works well, because you can walk up to them and then stop walking and smoke em before they realize you stopped walking;)

[[PMV] Joker]

Man, why are people so worried about Saber Throw? I'm talking about a duel situation here and that's going to break down into two possible areas:

 

1. You're using force powers, which means the 20 damage done by the saber throw doesn't mean anything at all, especially if you're on the light side.

 

2. You're not using force powers, in which case you should be disallowing saber throw as well, since it is by far the most no-skill move in the game. All those proponents of SJT or STJ or STD or whatever are mentally imbalanced. Five saber throws will kill somebody in that environment, even if the other person is trying their hardest to engage in a straight-up duel, and that's just idiotic.

 

Also, who is the person out there who has actual trouble dodging a saber throw to being with? You just roll out of the damn way, or jump, or strafe to the side. It's very easy to avoid if you're not charging directly at the guy in mid-swing. So...quit whining about your saber throw.

 

- [PMV] Joker

[[PMV] AnimlMthr]

Ha, the saber throw. I'll still get a good kick out of people using that thing in a deul. Go ahead, throw your force away. Next time I see someone doing that crap, I'm going to hit them with this:

 

"I once owned a dog that was smarter than you."

 

or perhaps,

 

"You make me want to puke."

 

Good day all.

 

{PMV} Animal Mother

 

-We'll surely avoid scurvy if we eat an Orange.

[Twins of Doom]

i'm just commenting on the fact that if your in a fast paced battle or the other dude constantly throws his lightsaber then it may not work to good:lsduel:

[greedo626]

One of the best ways to intimidate you're opponent is to grip them. There's nothing more satifying than seeing you're opponent struggling to breathe.

[Jman3ooo]

Originally posted by greedo626

One of the best ways to intimidate you're opponent is to grip them. There's nothing more satifying than seeing you're opponent struggling to breathe.

 

Wont work when they use absorb and get all their force back, heal, and keep fighting...

 

It doesn't intimedate him it just makes him feel superior

[[PMV] AnimlMthr]

Originally posted by Jman3ooo

 

Wont work when they use absorb and get all their force back, heal, and keep fighting...

 

It doesn't intimedate him it just makes him feel superior

 

True. I always get a good laugh out of absorbing some idiot's choke and refilling my force meter. After I do that, I'm always sure to say, "You fight like a dairy farmer."

 

[PMV] Animal Mother

 

p.s. I own the Detroit jk2 Deul server. Don't believe me? Come get some!

[greedo626]

it's best not to grip someone using absorb.

[Jman3ooo]

Here is one i really enjoy...

 

Use mindTrick on them

Then taunt

They will here the laughter while the swing thier sword/ run away

 

Another fun one:

 

Jump on them with saber off while they charge u

 

Just jump right before you hit and it will do 20 dmg

[Twins of Doom]

force powers don't work in duels:confused: so how will you use grip on them in a duel.......

[Kreidian]

I just had to relate this to everyone here.

 

Last night I was on a server with a 20 kill limit. It also had a 20min time limit so it wasn't too bad. I would constantly walk up to the opponent, bow, get up, and continue walking towards them all with my saber off. Usually they would either attack, in which case I could easilybring up my sabre for a quick counter, or they would run away, in which case I'd use pull then kick them in the face. I must say it is quite demoralizing for a guy to pull you and kick you in the face causeing you to fall down to the ground, all with his sabre turned off! For the longest time I was undefeated on that server averaging 10 kills over my opponent. It was really funny when this one guy would continually try to grip me to death. I'd just turn on absorb which would break the grip and give me a whole bunch of force back. He was the only guy that I managed to kill 20 times before the time limit expired.

 

I agree that mind trick can be really useful, psychologically speaking. I know that was a problem for me at first. However after a while it no longer bothered me. It doesn't last too long, especially if you attack the guy. Most people who used it were trying to hack at me right away hoping to catch me of guard. The thing is that they were so busy rushing in swinging their sabre that I would see them comming long before they reached me. So as long as I kept moving while the guy was invisible I would be fine. My favorite tactic in this case was to run alog the walls then jump off them. There really wasn't much to it and all it did was keep me moving, but it looks really cool and it's unexpected which I'm sure made it that much harder to hit me.

 

Of coarse now I'm wondering if there's a list of Monkey Island insults that I can look at to see what I could add to my list of taunts.

[Jman3ooo]

Originally posted by Kreidian

Of coarse now I'm wondering if there's a list of Monkey Island insults that I can look at to see what I could add to my list of taunts.

 

HEHEHEH "YOU FIGHT LIKE A COW"

 

Also dont forget the word.... NI

[[del] Twitch]

BEDEVERE: Nu!

ARTHUR: No, no, no, no, i--

BEDEVERE: Nu!

ARTHUR: No, it's not that. It's 'ni'.

BEDEVERE: Nu!

ARTHUR: No, no. 'Ni'. You're not doing it properly. No.

BEDEVERE: Ni!

ARTHUR and BEDEVERE: Ni!

ARTHUR: That's it. That's it. You've got it.

 

 

Muwahahaha!