darthfergie Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 We have all seen or hear about formations in AoK. They work for that time. I just hope they don't use the same formations. They should have skirmisher formatios etc. because this is the age of the future. If you have rank upon rank right in a tight group then you are waisting men in the back and you have a tremendous death wish for your troops. They will just get mowed down and packing them all together is an artillery dream . Remember in AoK you formation gets hit by an oneger and the entire formation is Dead or well on their way to death. Do you think they have changed up the formations in this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Rommel Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 The formation in AOK weren't bad... I thought they were pretty good... they just didn't have any impact on the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted August 19, 2001 Author Share Posted August 19, 2001 Originally posted by Darth_Rommel The formation in AOK weren't bad... I thought they were pretty good... they just didn't have any impact on the game Ever tried using that clomn formation. It was a pain. Every time you would get stuck. But that is a little off-topic here. If you noticed in AoK you will find that the first formation that you use is the tightly packed formation. If they did this in the SW universe they would easily be mowed down without a chance. Now it is becoming more and more possible to have an army of one. Just imagine the Dark Trooper p3...that is an army of ONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sherack Nhar Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 Well, you should all remember what formation the Battle Droids used in TPM during the last confrontation between the Gungans and the Trade Federation... tightly packed groups. And they got hammered by the Gungan's energy balls too GO GUNGANS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tie Guy Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 One thing that i didn't like about the formations is that the heavily armoured troops were in the front. They should arrange it by height, and range. Tall mechs should be in the back, where they are still effective but let your other troops attack too. Also, ranged units should be behind melee troops, so that they all can attack. That way, everyone can attack from their position, not just the front line. Also, i didn't like how they fell out of formation every time you gave them a new command, they should just stay in formation. Instead they slowed down, and you couldn't give them quick commands while moving. Other than that, i liked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master Yoda Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 I agree Tie, the AOK formations were ok but when all it did was make it so your troops were a little more manageable it wasnt really worth it when it didnt impact game play, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tie Guy Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 Actually, i found them quite usefull in defense. You couls set up a formation of arbalests, and then tell them to stand their group and not much in the way of troops could get by. And if you did it with longbowmen, nothing could come close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master Yoda Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 But that was all they were good for.. (I like to do that with 40 longbowmen and set monk right behind them to heal them when they get hurt.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord JayVizIon Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 well, the only way i found AoK formations helpful was to spread them out so when onagers were kicking in, not as many troops were smoked as when you tightly pack them. but they don't have significance in the game so much. i think they should and will have melee units in front and ranged units in the back, it's the logical choice. that would be a great question for gaber if he ever comes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon_Leon Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 Formations in AOK made for some nice intimidating manouvres. If you chose the 'spread out' formation, your army appeared larger than it was.. I found that i could draw away huge armies from a certain area with just a handful of units that way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted August 20, 2001 Author Share Posted August 20, 2001 Originally posted by Sherack Nhar Well, you should all remember what formation the Battle Droids used in TPM during the last confrontation between the Gungans and the Trade Federation... tightly packed groups. And they got hammered by the Gungan's energy balls too GO GUNGANS!! That is the one thing I thought was too unrealistic about Episode I. I though they would do some research on that. THey only wanted it to look cool. Whenthose Gungans were shooting those huge bombs into them you could see HUNDRDS literaly HUNDREDS of Battle Droids go down. That formation they used would be the worst possible formation of all. I would have forced an engaement where the Gungans were completely surrounded with no where to go. Then advaced at a rush and not in the huge slowly marching battledroid ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tie Guy Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 Yeah, if you lok behind the advancing line you will only see a few droids on the ground, when there should have been hundreds. i hated that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted August 21, 2001 Author Share Posted August 21, 2001 Have you changed the formations on the game so they look realistic. Or are they head on death marches where bombs would blow the enemy to kindom come??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dvader07 Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 In regards to the formations in ep1, you guys have to realize that the gungans needed to win. So, if they used some of your suggestions that end result probably would have changed. Secondly, I alway got the impression that the droids weren't supposed to be brilliant tacticians, but instead win by shear numbers and firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted August 21, 2001 Author Share Posted August 21, 2001 Originally posted by dvader07 In regards to the formations in ep1, you guys have to realize that the gungans needed to win. So, if they used some of your suggestions that end result probably would have changed. Secondly, I alway got the impression that the droids weren't supposed to be brilliant tacticians, but instead win by shear numbers and firepower. They would have only won by shear stupididty and fire power. And one of the worst parst is that the gungans used the very same formation!!! Stupidity!!! Do you think a race that lives in swamps would ever be that orderly to line up like that? The Gungans could have posted a diversionary army in the field (that was a horrible idea to stand right out in the middle of nowhere!!!) while the real army was swinging in behind the droids and do as much damage to the MTTs, etc. before they deployed. Then make the droids fight on to battlefield fronts. If the Gungans were anywhere close to awake they most likly would have thought of the strategy!!! Droids though...a commander droid (OOM-9) was suposed to be programed with the best strategies to be found!!! He thought that one up from the (pre-1950s for us) ancient days where Jedi attacked each other with steel swords and hand no great rapid fire gun!!! The Droid must have been a history droid previosly!!! That is the one part of the movie that really bugs me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tie Guy Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 Fergie, the droids won, so their strategy obviously worked. If it hadn't work, then you could complain, but it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master Yoda Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 true, but that doesnt mean that the formation that the droids used isnt STUPID!! there tons of other ways to attack then a straight engagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted August 22, 2001 Author Share Posted August 22, 2001 Originally posted by Tie Guy Fergie, the droids won, so their strategy obviously worked. If it hadn't work, then you could complain, but it did. the droids would have won, yes. But only through supierior numbers and a stupid strategyby the Gungans. Must I say this again. THE GUNGANS AND THE DROIDS USED THE SAME STRATEGY. THEY PILLED UP THEIR MEN ONE AFTER ANOTHER IN MARCHING LINES. NOBODY IS THAT STUPID...well I take that back (Jar Jar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xwing guy Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 If yall look at the screen shots it might give us an idea what the formations might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted August 22, 2001 Author Share Posted August 22, 2001 NOOOOO!!!!!! STUPID!!!!!! NON-REALISTIC PEOPLE!!!!!!!! http://www.galacticbattles.com/multimedia/screenshots/12.jpg http://www.galacticbattles.com/multimedia/screenshots/15.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xwing guy Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Who are you calling stupid fergie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted August 22, 2001 Author Share Posted August 22, 2001 Originally posted by xwing guy Who are you calling stupid fergie. Who ever it is that went and exepted this as a sound stategy just because it looks cool. Don't worry about me I'll get over it, but that is too stupid for me to think SW would except it. RESEARCH!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xwing guy Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 I agree, and I thought the same thing about C&C games to. Except when all your flamethrower infantry are stacked real close togather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral Odin Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Originally posted by darthfergie the droids would have won, yes. But only through supierior numbers and a stupid strategyby the Gungans. Must I say this again. THE GUNGANS AND THE DROIDS USED THE SAME STRATEGY. THEY PILLED UP THEIR MEN ONE AFTER ANOTHER IN MARCHING LINES. NOBODY IS THAT STUPID...well I take that back (Jar Jar) Well that strategy has been used for centuries, and is called a gentlemens war. Each side lines up and marches into each other. Now with the droid army using this same tatic is basically the American Civil War. They had weapons that made close lines a dumb idea but still they did it. Small unit combat didn't come around until world war II. Now the Gungans had really no choice but to form close lines. Look at their protection. First the shields The closeness of the shield generators reinforces the overall shields Hence spearding out would weaken a major defense. Then the hand Shields if the Gungans were spread out more people would need to use those sheilds which means that they have less throwing their energy balls at the droid army. The Droid army: the best tactic would have been to create a U shape line. Giving the Gungans a way to escape. But Behind the U would be a line of more droids to cut down the fleeing GunGuns. However their tactic wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. 1.as Causalties go they weren't losing many compared to the entire army. 2.Fear seeing a huge army come at you, creates dispar in people giving the droids a pyshoclogical advantage. An enemy with no hope will rather surrender and live then die for nothing. 3.The Trade Federation thought the Gunguns were uncivilized, so that a huge line would terrify them, and make them flee and the driods could pic them off at will. The formations in AOK were great. Units were easier to manage, The box formation keeped the archers protected while melee units surrond them. The close lines were effective for defense, and moving your units. When I come to combat I change formation and spread them out. Also those formations were very historically acurate. The melee units would always be infront. Archers Behind them and finally Calvary (being that the calvary charges in after the melee units engaged the enemy, and delvires a quick blow) If the formations in GB lead only to better unit managment I will love it. I hate seeing a mob of my units go agianst the enemy What I would love is an option to create your own formations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tie Guy Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 What would you rather have, a big mob of soldiers walking towards the enemy? that would be stupid. The formations are really helpful, they keep your units prioritized, and make sure no one falls behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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