The Truthful Liar Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Let me further explain what I mean: Okay in ANH, Obi wan is on the same planet he arrived on so many years before with his master Qui Gon and met li'l 'ol darth. My question is How and WHY did he end up back there again? Wouldn't that be an un-safe place to be since Darth would look there first? And that brings up another point: Anakin Skywalker promised to his mother that he would return to his home planet and save all the slaves... did he? or did he become a real mean dude and forgot about his friends as well as his past... My guess is that the evil emperor planned somehow to 'frame' obi wan (or maybe some other Jedi) while Obi and Anakin try to free the slaves. (Maybe making it look like that Obi Wan accidently kills Anakins mother? something like that for sure has to happen, otherwise how will Anakin be turned to the dark side? Something Drastic must happen.) Then there's Yoda, the ruler of this forum : Why/How the heck did he end up on the Dagobah System (I think that's the place) surrounded by swamps, icky creatures and lots of bugs? (ewwww) Sure looks like he ended up having one helluva crappy retirement plan. (ooh so not funny). That's it! Somone explain these (3) points please, Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 Also I heard something about Yoda and Obi Wan being the last jedi, so what... are they hiding in exile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 In ANH one of the imperial officers says "surely he must be dead by now", so I think Darth Vader probably thought he was dead and didn't see him as a threat. That's why Obi-Wan went into exile on Tatoonie, to hide from the empire. I don't think he would ever assume that a great Jedi Master would be a hermit in an outer-rim planet. Same thing with Yoda, he exiled to Dagobah to hide from the empire. As for Anikan freeing the slave: I heard that in AotC sand people murder his mother before he has a chance to save her, so that's one of the reason he becomes evil. I think he felt that if he hadn't left to become a Jedi, he would've been there to save his mother. But he goes back there for some reason in EP2, so he probably frees them because there are no slaves in ANH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 Okay another thing... why are Yoda and Obi Wan the last remaining Jedi? (technically till Luke...) And why are they in exile? They are actually scared? If they are in exile from fear (bad attribute not found in a Jedi so I'll call it... a Self-Preservation Tactic) If they are trying to stay alive, what happened to the Jedi Council and all the other Jedis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 All the Jedi were killed. The Empire hunted them down with so many troops that they couldn't hold them all off. I'm guessing the Yod and Obi escaped and knew that they couldn't take out the whole Empire so they hid. The Empire also destroys the governing power of the Old Republic, so everyone is dazed and confused while the Empire takes over. But then the Rebel alliance comes along and fights them, giving Giving Yoda and Obi a chance to rebirth the Jedi by finding Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 Another thought: Why is vader trying to hunt down his Master (Obi Wan) and the greatest Jedi ever (Yoda)? I understand that he turned to the dark side... but that still doesn't mean you loose all rational/reasoning (sp?). If he did become evil enough to go 'bonkers' and chase jedi around, what is the clear explanation on how he actually 'gathered' the greed to kill off the jedi race? Yes his mother died, but that's just not enough to turn him completely to the dark side.. or is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 [i certainly would find it very difficult to go against my master and try to kill him. Something of great importance must have occured to Anakin.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I don't know. Just wait for EP2 and 3. I'm sure the truth will be revealed in them. Have patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 Fair enough, I knew I was probably asking too much when I reached the part about Anakins 'turning' to the dark side. Oh well, thanks for the follow-through answers. Quick and good enough for my inquiring self personality Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sai-Kahn Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Awhile ago, Timothy Zahn brought up a theory of why Yoda was on Dagobah, in one of his Star Wars books. Since its been ages since i've read a starwars book, I'll be succinct....as the story went, if i recall, Yoda chased a Dark jedi all the way to Dagobah where they faced off in a duel. The Dark Jedi was defeated, but the area of his death was marked by a kind of dark-force heavy emotional blood stain (which corresponded to the cave seen in Empire Strikes Back). The emperor and Vader had tracked the other jedi down by the effect they had on the force (remember both of them sensed Luke' growing power). But Yoda's proximity to the dark-side acted as a counter balance to his force effect...like a positive and negative charge close to each other, from a distance they look like no charge at all. Yoda used this effect, either by design, or because he was stranded on dagobah, to escape detection and evade the pogrom against the Jedi. The only safe place wheer he could quietly await the coming of a new Jedi to defeat the Emperor,etc. As for Obi Wan, I dunno. According to an even older book, which I've never read personally, Obi-Wan defeats vader over some kind of lava pit, damaging him so much that he needed artificial respiratory support for the rest of his life. The Obi-Wan seems to drop out of the picture... Anyway, that what i recall. But since the books are no longer seen as canon, whatever theory you have is just as valid I guess. Take with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char0n Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan stayed on Tatooine because Luke was there, to watch over him, keep him out of trouble so to speak. But not overtly (just as a crazy old man in the mountains). That's why Luke probably knows him not as "that crazy guy" but as "Old Ben Kenobi" in ANH. Now what's REALLY confusing is if Luke was taken and "hidden" why the heck was he hidden on Anakins homeplanet, and with his actual aunt and uncle (*SPOILER* in ep 2 it is revealed that Owen and Beru are his actual uncle and aunt, being Anakins step brother and his wife *END SPOILER*), and with the same Goddamn name. Unless Skywalker is just like Smith is here in the US for a last name... Maybe it was hiding him in the most obvious place because it was the last place anyone would look? As for Yoda, he is a jedi master, but from human views pretty excentric. Who's to say that his tastes (and maybe his species' tastes?) find Dagobah to be the same as what we think of a tropical island paradise? Sorry for inconsistant speech, need sleep, 3 a.m. here after 4 hrs previous night for sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS - soundwave Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 How bout we just wait for Lucas to explain it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted May 6, 2002 Author Share Posted May 6, 2002 Yeah but I felt like asking a few questions and I got some consistent answers/comments back (other than yours) and found out things that I didn't know before. Please people who just want to spam my thread, think twice about it. All I'm doing is asking a few questions, nothing more - nothing less. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Killing the last remaining jedi would pretty much remove the chance of more jedi being trained, unless you're a "I found a saber. I'm a jedi" type person like Katarn. Having no more jedi around means vader and palpy could run the universe without threat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 Why did Obi-Wan take Luke to live on Tatooine? Well, Tatooine is isolated, on the edge of Republic space, and therefore, the edge of Imperial space. There was no real stormtrooper occupation until the droids crashed there. Also, Vader has his own reasons for not ever wanting to return to Tatooine, as I think Pseudonym's spoiler explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ewok Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 there was also a theorie mentioned in a book that obi stayed so close to Luke to eventually try to confront Vader and turn him back to the light side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rut-wa jodar Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 In episode VI ROTJ obi-wan says to yoda "was I any different when you trained me" WTF !! We all know that obi-wan was trained by Qui-gon..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 6, 2002 Share Posted May 6, 2002 In episode VI ROTJ obi-wan says to yoda "was I any different when you trained me" WTF !! We all know that obi-wan was trained by Qui-gon..... 1) Obi-Wan's spirit says that to Yoda in Episode V, ESB. 2) Yoda personally trains all of the young Jedi up until they reach the age of 13. When they become 13, they are taken as a Padawan Learner by a Jedi in the field. Obi-Wan was Padawan to Qui-Gon, but was taught for at least 10 years by Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00M-187 Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 SPOILER! Obi wan hides on Tatooine because that is a sad place for Anakin, he grew up a slave there and his mother is murdered there. He does not want to go there because it reminds him of that, This is the perfect place for Obiwan to hide, (Luke also) Vader\Anakin remembers great sadness from this planet. Yoda lives on degobah because something else that is bad also happens there to Anakin\Vader Plus the force is neutral there, because of this event, that is why Yoda can hide there un noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 By the Force! Put that top paragraph of yours in a spoiler tag, 00M-187 before you get flamed all the way to Endor! You can put something in a spoiler tag by putting [.spoiler] at the beginning and [./spoiler] at the end (without the "."). Hurry! Before it's too late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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