What the Hell?

[JAtM Trev]

Sigh. I've got a few things to add.

 

OK, not a personal flame to the person who said he doesn't support homosexuals for choosing to be that way. They do not choose to be that way. No one wakes up in the morning, anyone sane anyway, and says I think I'll be gay. It's part of coming of age when they realize they are not attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexuality is being studied in the biological sense. So far, gay men have been found to have enlarged corpus collosums (connects the two halves of the brain) compared to hetereosexual men. Women also tend to have larger corpus collosums.

 

Two, I live in San Francisco, the "gay capital of world." Screw that nickname, it's wrong. I'm sick and tired of people going gay this gay that. I go up to the person and say, thinking of a slur or catagorizing word that applies to them. What if I said that was hella "chink" (yes the word is used, not sure where you live), or that's so n*****, or **** that's asian. People are like uh, I'm just joking. But 90% of the time, they stop using it.

 

My point here is that using gay in that manner, whether you mean it or not, it's offensive to homosexuals. I play so many people online who go faggot when I kill them or that's gay. Some guy actually wanted to kick my ass for correcting him. Some scrawny guy from LA, I think, hiding behind the internet. When he found out I lived in SF, he called me a f**** faggot. He had no clue. So I kicked him with the aid of the server. He came back spouting more trash. We had to kick this moron 8 times. aye, I've digressed.

 

OK to sum up:

homosexuality is not a choice

Using gay, homo or any other stratifying term is a deroggatory manner is wrong. Gay. homo and fag are just the most used right now.

the internet acts as deindividuation for people of all types. The anonymity of the internet lets people say all the **** they want without consequence.

[Aoshi]

well the internet makes it a place where you can show your true self without having to consider any consequences. Just imagine people that always say "faggot" and stuff like that to be working behind the counter at McDonalds saying "would you like fries with that" instead... it makes it so much more hilarious. Oh and on a side note. Did you know that it has been proven that guys who are very homophobic and violently so are more likely to become gay themselves? ahh the ironies of life

[arctic_series]

that Cow_JK:O is such a lamer.

 

since when did he become the almighty defender of the gay and instigator of people who uses the phrases gay/homo ?

[Sighbernaut]

Wow.....lets all be tolerant, shall we? I mean, if we are to tolerate homosexuality, then shouldn't we also tolerate beastiality, too? After all, they are both just sexual preferences, right? How about Necrophilia, should we tolerate that, too? How about we tolerate people that like to strangle their sexual partner to death while in the act of sexual intercourse? Isn't that just a "sexual preference" too? When do we stop being tolerant, and decide that deviant behavior, in all of its form, is determental to society? The Greeks liked to bugger little boys, and look where it got them. Same for the Romans. They once ruled the known world, until they started with the orgies and couldn't raise an army anymore. Maybe my views are simplistic, and I am sure I will get flamed unmercifully, but they are MY views. You should be tolerant of them.

 

Historically speaking, when a segment of society was oppressed, they struck out and formed their own place in the world where they could live on their own terms. Take the Quakers, for instance. Or the Jews, for that matter. They went over to Palastine, kicked some ass, and made their own country. I suggest that the homosexual community do the same. Instead of standing around screaming that I have to accept you, go make a place for yourself where you will be accepted. Because I will never accept homosexuality as an "acceptable alternative lifestyle", and I will for damn sure never teach my children that it is an acceptable lifestyle. It is what it is, a deviant behavior, and should be treated as such.

 

You want people to quit calling you names, go back into the closet, and quit telling them they have to be tolerant of your sick sexual preferences.

[BlackDove]

This was so the wrong place to start this discussion...I just hope the "big grill" doesn't open on you, since no matter if your opinion is right or wrong, you will be flamed because there are always people who disagree...However unlike me, they can't keep the lid on, and then you got a flame fight...although I must say, it is much more refreshing than everyone bitchin about how the patch is of the wrong color

[Divine Spirit]

Originally posted by Cow_JK:O

In response the the thread with the "You're a homo" picture and the guy talking like an idiot in caps:

 

You people make me sick. The first post was funny as hell but since when is it cool or appropriate to make fun of homosexuals?

 

Why is calling someone a 'homo' an insult? I'd love to hear this one.

 

 

sorry to reck the thread but i couldnt resist it....i find this picture funny because of the stupidity of it! i laugh at it because the picture is stupid and doesnt make sense....iv not called homosexuals bad or wrong or anything...ive just put up a pic which i think is stupidly funny

 

 

Divine Spirit

[OnlyOneCanoli]

I'll allow this to stay open because it really is a good discussion. Just don't let it get out of hand.

 

Personally, I don't use 'gay' or 'homo' to insult anybody. If people that really are gay are offended by it, then what right do I have to continue to offend them? I use 'lame' and 'stupid' instead, so I don't step on anyone's toes. That, to me, is a logical and mature way to go about it.

[Cow_JK:O]

Sighbernauht your analogies could not possibly be more flawed.

 

JatM Trev was ENTIRELY correct in what he said. Gay is not some lifestyle preferance, it's part of a natural, biological process.

 

For one, being gay doesn't hurt anyone. Whether you like it or not, its true. Telling gays to get out of your way for a completely illegitamate reason (as you did) wont help anything. Whether you like it or not, unlike many of the other psychological abnormalities, gays as a whole, are no more evil, dangerous, bad, etc. than any straight person. It's one thing to not at all support gays, I can fully respect someone like that, but to 'bash' gays without <ANY> reason...well, you deserve no respect.

 

Unfortunately for you my friend, its not gays who need to learn to deal with you, its you that needs to learn to deal with gays. Because homosexuals are not going anywhere, they have as much of right to live in this country as you or I, and nothing anyone can say will change that as its written in our constitution. (At least in USA I'm talking about here)

 

OnlyOneCanoli: I wish more people were as mature as you, but sadly they are not. If an insult is needed, there are plenty of better words than 'gay' or 'homo'.

 

As to the picture, yeah I guess I have to admit its pretty funny, but this post is more on the entire gaming community's use of these words.

[Hateplow]

[Woad]

I'm sorry but the whole concept of 'gay' as an insult bothers me a great deal. As an 18 year old I consider myself part of this generations culture. To say simply get over it, that it's just part of modern culture, is immature and ridiculous.

 

I can see no difference between referring to someone today as a homo as an insult and calling someone the 'n' word 40 years ago. It's ignorant and yet reflects the sophomoric depths to which people are willing to sink.

[Divine Spirit]

Originally posted by OnlyOneCanoli

I use 'lame' and 'stupid' instead, so I don't step on anyone's toes. That, to me, is a logical and mature way to go about it.

 

heh, well in actual fact you just insulted everyone who is intellectually challenged and everyone who is lame!!! making fun of people because they arent clever or because they are physically crippled is no different than making fun of someone who is homosexual, the only reason why there is a uproar about homosexuality is because its a sensitive and controversial subject

 

i would be surprised if anyone on these forums would actually recognise 'lame' and 'stupid' as proper insults (except me) but the point of telling you this is because it is pointless to go around being pedantic at what everyone says...sometimes political correctness can be ok but it can go TOO FAR. im NOT saying that the homosexual arguement is going to far, im just saying that ANY and i mean EVERY SINGLE insult you make will be offence to someone- thats why its called an insult. i think people should either be politically UNcorrect and not complain at all or be TOTALLY politically correct and complain.....if you make fun of some people and then hear a different insult and go 'i hate it when people make that insult' then i think you are just hypocritical

 

 

Divine Spirit

[Vestril]

I don't have an issue with using gay colloquialisms...as long as they are being directed towards gay people. Calling someone you don't like gay is essentially saying that gay people are bad...I know that that is not the intention but that sort of slang use only propogates homophobic sentiment, which is really an outmoded sort of thinking, I have not heard any modern arguments as to why homosexuality is wrong. It's simply another method of expressing sexuality...beyond 'it's unnatural' (easily debatable and extremely vague) and 'the bible says it's wrong' (also debatable to a point, and I will definitely not go into issues of relevance or realistic modern implications of the Bible...).

 

In any case the use of insults like 'gay' or 'fag' as insults is fairly insensitive and promotes a very wrong minded kind of thinking.

[Vestril]

I personally do not support them. Their choices conflict with my ethics and morals, and therefore I shut them out.

 

I'm curious as to what your reasoning behind this is. Genuinely curious--I don't understand how a set of morals could conflict with someone being gay...to me it's like saying that your set of morals conflict with being black--and I think we can all agree that the latter is a silly concept.

 

So I wonder if you could elaborate some on how your morals conflict with the choice, I only want to understand. I'm pretty sure other people will flame you if you do...but I can promise I won't, unlike some of the people here I try to show respect for other peoples opinions, whether I agree with them or not.

 

If not Desslock will someone else who thinks that being gay is 'wrong' explain out their thinking, I for one would appreciate it.

[OnlyOneCanoli]

Divine Spirit:

 

No, you are wrong about insulting people that are intellectually challenged. Those people are not a minority, and people don't go around calling people 'lame' the same way people go around calling people 'gay.' It's two totally different aspects. Now, if I insulted people by using 'tard' or 'retard,' then you'd have an argument.

[Divine Spirit]

Originally posted by OnlyOneCanoli

Divine Spirit:

 

No, you are wrong about insulting people that are intellectually challenged. Those people are not a minority, and people don't go around calling people 'lame' the same way people go around calling people 'gay.' It's two totally different aspects. Now, if I insulted people by using 'tard' or 'retard,' then you'd have an argument.

 

do u mean that people who are intellectually challenged are not a minority or people that call other people stupid are not a minority? why do u think the insult 'retard' is different from the insult 'lame'? they are roughly the same thing - very roughly....ive seen people call other people 'gay' a lot more than 'lame' but what exactly do u mean by not the 'same way'? do u mean that when people say 'gay' they usually say that something is wrong with being gay as well?

[OnlyOneCanoli]

The thing is that gay people are regarded as 'gay.' So when someone insults another person and calls them gay, they actual gay get upset about that, because they get the idea that they are somehow less important than straight people. I really can't praise or blame them for that, because I'm not gay, and I really can't fully grasp the pressure society puts on them.

 

The mentally handicapped aren't called 'lame' or 'stupid' in society (at least not in Florida). So by calling something lame or stupid, I'm not actually insulting people that are mentally challenged.

 

You got it right when you said the two concept are "very roughly" the same. Only a person that would care to analyze what I said very deeply would even begin to consider 'lame' or 'stupid' an insult to the mentally handicapped.

[Aoshi]

I dont really see what the big deal is honestly. Why dont we stop thinking of people as "gay" or "straight" and just look at them as people instead? An example of this is last year (my first year of college) i lived at the end of the hall and a gay guy lived right across the hall from me. At first i was kinda afraid of him, but as the year progressed i realized that he is just another person and a really nice person at that. I go to a college where no one drives and he was one of the few people with cars. He would always offer to take me and my girlfriend wherever we wanted to go even when it was out of his way. This said it would be a much nicer world if people just looked at others in the light of their personality and generosity. Also there seems to be some kind of standard rule that gay men dont hit on straight men. This seems to hold up in most cases and as long as this stands i dont see the point of you people getting so upset. Now if a gay guy hits on you (if you are straight) then you can ignore them or walk away or something but that doesnt give you the right to insult them or make them feel bad. When everyone realizes everyone else's right to live then maybe we'll have a society without complete morons and a little peace. If you are too selfish to do this then you can jump off a cliff. Believe me you can have all the room in hell that you want

[Wacky_Baccy]

*Hands over Best-Posts-So-Far awards to Aoshi (above) and JAtM Trev *

 

I couldn't agree more with either of you

(and you've both saved me a lot of typing )

 

Originally posted by Divine Spirit

i would be surprised if anyone on these forums would actually recognise 'lame' and 'stupid' as proper insults (except me)

Go on then. Be surprised.

 

The only reason we both recognise them as 'proper insults' is because we're both overly pedantic and we read far too deeply into anything we're allowed to - and you know it!

 

 

...J/K ...partially

[Vestril]

I dont really see what the big deal is honestly. Why dont we stop thinking of people as "gay" or "straight" and just look at them as people instead? An example of this is last year (my first year of college) i lived at the end of the hall and a gay guy lived right across the hall from me. At first i was kinda afraid of him, but as the year progressed i realized that he is just another person and a really nice person at that. I go to a college where no one drives and he was one of the few people with cars. He would always offer to take me and my girlfriend wherever we wanted to go even when it was out of his way. This said it would be a much nicer world if people just looked at others in the light of their personality and generosity. Also there seems to be some kind of standard rule that gay men dont hit on straight men. This seems to hold up in most cases and as long as this stands i dont see the point of you people getting so upset. Now if a gay guy hits on you (if you are straight) then you can ignore them or walk away or something but that doesnt give you the right to insult them or make them feel bad. When everyone realizes everyone else's right to live then maybe we'll have a society without complete morons and a little peace. If you are too selfish to do this then you can jump off a cliff. Believe me you can have all the room in hell that you want

 

It seems as though you agree. Because if we continue to call things we dislike 'gay' then your world is a little less possible...

[Aoshi]

"Hey, You there!"

"That's a big AFFIRMATIVE, Vestril"

"LOOK, IT'S A MORONIC PERSON THAT ONLY KNOWS HOW TO INSULT OTHERS WHILE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO HIS OWN INADEQUACIES"

... "BLAST HIM!!!

"NO WAIT... I'll just force push him off a cliff!!"

*push*

"AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Cow_JK:O]

Originally posted by Aoshi

"Hey, You there!"

"That's a big AFFIRMATIVE, Vestril"

"LOOK, IT'S A MORONIC PERSON THAT ONLY KNOWS HOW TO INSULT OTHERS WHILE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO HIS OWN INADEQUACIES"

... "BLAST HIM!!!

"NO WAIT... I'll just force push him off a cliff!!"

*push*

"AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

If only realworld justice was that sweet

[Vestril]

*looks around, confused...tries to figure out if he's been insulted...*

 

[Divine Spirit]

Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy

[bGo on then. Be surprised.

 

The only reason we both recognise them as 'proper insults' is because we're both overly pedantic and we read far too deeply into anything we're allowed to - and you know it!

 

 

...J/K ...partially [/b]

 

haha fair enough!

 

 

Divine Spirit

[Sighbernaut]

I never said that gays had to leave. I said, historically speaking, that groups that found themselves getting maltreated went and made a place for themselves where they could live their life as they choose. Another example of this would be the Mormons, that were persecuted for their religous beliefs. They all moved to Utah, suffering great hardship, to make a place for themselves where they would not be persecuted.

 

I also never stated that people do not have the right to be different. My contention is that you cannot force it down my throat. I do not have to accept that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle, and I do not have to teach my children that it is "ok" to be gay. If I shack up with a woman, and we share all the responsibilities of married life, except being legally married, I can't get her covered on my insurance. But, if I shack up with another guy, and call him my "life partner", I can get full coverage for him on my insurance! What kind of double standard is that?

 

I am sure that the criminally insane do not "choose" to be criminally insane, but it still doesn't mean I want to live next door to someone that is criminally insane, or that I have to accept his behavior as an "alternate lifestyle".

 

I personally have nothing against gays, as long as they keep their sexual preferences to themselves, and quit running aroud yelling that they are just like everyone else, and that I have to accept them. I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom, as long as it is between two mutually consenting adults. But don't go around saying that you are normal and what you are doing is ok, because it isn't and you aren't.

 

And I do not believe in gay bashing, or making fun of anyone that is less fortunate than myself, or discriminating against anyone because they are different than I am. I simply believe that it should not be viewed as something that is ok, any more than I think that dressing up in leather and having someone beat you is ok. If that is what turns you on, fine. But don't broadcast it into my living room, and don't try to teach my kids that it is an acceptable behavior.

[Cow_JK:O]

Originally posted by Sighbernaut

If I shack up with a woman, and we share all the responsibilities of married life, except being legally married, I can't get her covered on my insurance. But, if I shack up with another guy, and call him my "life partner", I can get full coverage for him on my insurance! What kind of double standard is that?

 

Hmm maybe if homophobics like yourself would ALLOW GAY MARRIAGES then maybe we wouldn't need this 'double standard' eh?

 

Originally posted by Sighbernaut

But don't go around saying that you are normal and what you are doing is ok, because it isn't and you aren't.

 

And I do not believe in gay bashing

 

Maybe if you would stop contradicting yourself you might get somewhere. And I hate to break it to you, but gays may not be normal, but it is acceptable behavior. You have yet to give one good reason why not. Just because you dont support it or participate in it does not make it unacceptable and gays do not go around doing 'bad' things just because they're gay.

 

You are a gay basher. Feh.