Toonces Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 (Blush) You guys are too much, did I mention you all rock too Alright, Time for a bigtime pic fiesta, I feel the model is almost complete, I just think It's missing something, perhaps (and I asked Sithlord-II and he agreed) it just needs a good texture to show depth. Let me know what all you guys think about the proportions, the size of the robe, anything really that you think is missing or a little off. I'm shooting for his body size/shape from Phantom Menace, with just a few minor details from the RotJ robe (the crease on his back, just looks cool) http://drivingcatstudios.com/71perspec.jpg http://drivingcatstudios.com/newfront.jpg http://drivingcatstudios.com/72top.jpg http://drivingcatstudios.com/72sideview.jpg http://drivingcatstudios.com/72behind.jpg Two notes though, I keep mentioning it for some of the newer people on the thread, sorry if I sound like a broken record The arms are going to undergo major tweaks once I get the model weighted, so it looks good ingame, (but still tell me if you think the shape isnt right in the front) second, the skin on the face isnt even close to finished, which is minor, but I havent shaded his head yet to give off that mysterious look that Sid is famous for The next pics will have textures I promise We're almost there guys! "Jumping has made you powerful my young nomad.....er, or was that hate? The Dark side has made me senile" CT http://www.drivingcatstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphius_doh Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 WOW! Very Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t3rr0r Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Originally posted by Toonces The arms are going to undergo major tweaks once I get the model weighted, so it looks good ingame, so the sleeves wont look silly when his arms are at his sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarExc Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Ok, this is for extreem detail, the folds in the robe. As you can see the are in the same spot most of the time(near the arms and on the sleeves), just to let the extra robe out. Also there are a few folds in the hood as you can see. I also must once again urge you to close the robe as the two layered robe isn't a god idea for game play. If you close the robe be sure to include the line where it looks like his robe opens down the centre. http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidfolds.JPG http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidfolds2.JPG Also notice how in your model his robes come down like a triangle but they are more rounded here. ITs kind of like a tube or something. They don't even come out that much though either. http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidshape.JPG http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidshape2.JPG http://www.magma.ca/~lcauley/Temp/sidshape3.JPG Lastly the boots, Im sure you will have to animate boots under the robes so one thing to remember is that they used German Riding boots for the Sith. If you want to look at them those can be found on ebay if need be. Woops I made the links wrong it should be shap not sape . They should work now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINK-ER Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Alright Toonces, I'm not posting this to make you feel bad or to hurt your feeling or in any way offend you or your work. I just want this model to be as good as it can be. First of all, the torso is too wide. It needs to be more of a bell shaped (looks nice just make it smaller on the sides). I took your screen and redid a little bit of it (just in windows Paint hehe) just to give you a small idea or my perspective of sidious. http://www.nbeecee.com/JK2/sid.jpg Also I noticed a polygon sticking out in that same screen... http://www.nbeecee.com/JK2/sid2.jpg Now I know how hard it is to do that kind of stuff (mainly because it's difficult to get to). I had that same problem with Nikto when I was extending his neck and making it smaller, and yeap it was a pain in the ass to get fixed (took me hours to get one poly like that out). Again I am in no way worthy to disrespect your work, I jsut want it to be as great as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarExc Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 hehe Link thats what I thought as well, 2 great minds think alike =), it wont hurt his feeling he wants the cirisism and when he gets it we can sure see what he is capable of. This is turning out to be agreat model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Yeah, I'll definatly remember to keep the seam there. I think I'll close the robe, I can always experement with it later if I change my mind. Thanks the the rear view shots I've pulled the corners of the robe out a little bit to give a little depth to the robe. All the little folds will be done with the skin, it should look pretty cool when I'm done with it. T3rr0r, I'm gonna do my best I've got some ideas about how to animate the sleeves. At worst when your standing with your hilt and the saber off they might look a little strange, but durring combat I'm pretty comfident that They'll look cool I'm UVmapping right now, I'm not all that great at mapping, so if it looks wierd when I'm done I'll find some help edit: just saw your post Link-er, It's all good, I'm definatly intrested in all suggestions I had his body tapered in like you have it there at first, I brought it out maby a little too much. I pulled his waist in just a touch. To make it really look like a robe I can't taper it quite like you have it, I still have to line up the shoulder joint. I pulled it in a bit, he looks less like a fatass now I'll post a shot of it once I finish maping and you guys can tell me what you think Oh, that little poly you noticed was a tag. I havent re-adjusted them since I rebuilt the model, oops edit #2: Just saw your edit DarExc. The shape of the robe at the bottem is that way because of the raven skeleton, It'll definatly be strait in the game. I'll do a quick search for thoes boots right now, thanks for the tip CT http://www.drivingcatstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarExc Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Recheck out the last 3 pictures in my previous post, I fixed the link =). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 http://www.jedi-academy.com/jedi_belt_boots.html Nice boots Sidshape is gold btw DarExc, just the exact shot I needed I'll have a few more shots up for you guys asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 Don't close the robes! It looks to me like you are creating an Emperor of ROTJ just a little bit more than a Darth Sidious of the Prequels. Sure you can re-skin it and make both, but The Emperor as seen in ROTJ definitely has his robe slightly open in the front with his under robes and belt benath... like you've had the model looking. Just my vote anyway, for what ever it's worth. I know you've said you want to get all the little details right, so you're going to have to make some decisions one way or the other. Looking forward to the new screens... thanks for all the preview pics, I'm enjoying watching it's development. Good luck mapping too. -nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 I was really tired last night so I didnt really touch the model, finished the uvmap on the torso and hip sections of the robe, should have a basic texture on it soon. It's funny, everybody is split on what I should do with the robes, even here in my house It's such a minor detail that I've decided that I'm going to try both and see what happens. I'm also going to do more than one face, the RotJ face you guys have already seen an early version of, and the younger Palp with normal colored skin like the prequels. Should look cool Back to sleep, I've still got a few hours before I have to get up zzzz.... CT http://www.drivingcatstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucular_jedi_14 Posted July 3, 2002 Share Posted July 3, 2002 just wondering....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarExc Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Excellent idea! Here is a picture of Sidiouses face. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/img/eu_bg.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 heh, I figured you'd like that DarExc As much as I love the face from RotJ, his face in Phantom and AotC has an element of mystery that I would like to be able to pull off with the model, hopefully that skin will do it To answer your question nucular_jedi, I'm in the process of skinning as I type, then I will weight the model and put him in game for testing and adjustment. I really can't promise a release date because as soon as I do I'll run into some huge problem that will push that date back so for right now all I can say is soon Sorry I can't be more specific then that, but I hope when I'm finished you guys will all love him, and you'll consider him worth the wait I'll try and post some skinned shots as soon as I have something I am happy with Plenty of goodness to come CT http://www.drivingcatstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epimetheus Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 Yay, let's get this model out already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarExc Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Be sure when you skin it to get all the stitching details of the robe, notice in some of those pictures the little squares or what ever that make up the robe, the texture of it or what ever you call that. Im not a clothing expert as you can no doubt tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 I've got a bunch of refrence images now, I'm even thinking of experementing with a hair engine (see chewie model, alough much much smaller hairs) to simulate a little bit of fuzz. on the robe I've got him completely skin mapped, and will start weighting verts tonight. Next screenshots will be ingame shots (with a basic skin) look for them within the next few days CT http://www.drivingcatstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Toonces, You are serving the Empire well. *salutes* Two things: The Magic Of Myth Exhibit ends on Sunday, just in case you're not aware. I'm not trying to push the issue for you to go, but it was one of the best experiences, so I highly recomend it. After the almighty Emperor, can you make a Holik model so that we can chop him up into bits? Or actually we could blast him into charcoal with Sith Lightning -nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 haha! i've never been tempted but i'm gonna put at least one spam on as many posts as possible! I'm sorry:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.EFF Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Originally posted by Klorel hmmm. i wouldnt be so sure. lucas has contradicted himself before with his strange twists.... c3po built by anakin, Quigon, not yoda instructed obiwan and such. besides, there needs to be a really crazy twist in this one. one that will make all the fans shocked. the emperor seems like an obvious answer. palpatine could have a twin, who knows, dont merge the two just yet, call me crazy, but lucas hasn't laid it all out in plain daylight yet. hey, maybe sidious is anakin's father.... "there was no father"... well if you ask me, shmi is pretty weakminded >> [waves hand]~ "you did not just sleep with dark lord sidious" .... ~"i did not just sleep with dark lord sidious" hope to see a model update soon! hehe.... sidious IS anakins father.... wait and see.... (Im not joking) -Mr.EFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Yeah baby, update time, Ok, I've got him into modview now and he's deforming much better than I expected, especially considering I've never weighted a model before. I'm confident that he'll be ingame with a basic skin by tommorow. (tonight if I have time) I'll post some ingame alpha shots as soon as he's in game nomad, do you mean Bobby Holik? I went around to starwars.com and poked around and found nothing so I assume that's who you meant My bud Craig would love a Holik model to cut into peices, he cant beleive he'd go to the Rangers of all teams Mr.EFF, I wouldnt be too suprised if that actually was the case, considering how powerfull the Emperor is (he made Vader look like an Amature in RtoJ) and how intune with the force the Skywalker family seems. I was actually thinking the other day about the "Prophecy" of the one who would bring "Balance" to the force. (forgive me if this has been discussed before) Could it be that instead of Anakin bringing balance to the force, could it perhaps be Palpatine? I guess it depends on how you define "balance." Assuming that he revived the Sith, he would in theroy "Balance" the force, by providing an avenue for the Dark Side to flow. (equal parts Dark and Light) It just seems that of all the Jedi, Dark, light, grey (heh) ect... that he could be the most powerful of all Jedi. Somewhere on starwars.com it says that his body was ravaged because he had an enormous amount of power Just a theroy, I'm sure this has been debated before CT http://www.drivingcatstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sounds Risky Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Actually, George has mentioned what Balance of the Force means. It means the absence of the Dark Side. So yes, Anakin is in fact the chosen one. As for the model, it sounds like he is coming along just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 I've got him into modview now and he's deforming much better than I expected, especially considering I've never weighted a model before. That is great news Toonces. That makes me pretty excited actually. We could use some nice robes in this game. I'm sorry I made you poke around at starwars.com heh, I was talking about Bobby Holik LOL! I've been trying to figure out who it is in your avatar pic... but I can't make it out. Albelin? Oliwa? Neiwendiek? The pope? I know my brother and I had a theory that Palpatine (With his ultimate powers) orchestrated Anakin's "miraculous" birth to make him appear as the one that will bring balance, only to control and turn him... of course not realizing (due to his overconfidence) that he was actually creating the one that WOULD bring balance and ultimately seal his fate. Although it would happen later through the bravery of Anakin's son. Not that we believe that to be the case. We just kind of liked the way it worked. Just our little theory, but I'm not so sure that we'll ever have that stuff explained in the movies. I don't care... what ever Lucas wants to do... he's earned my respect For those that think they KNOW... Attempt unlearning what you have "learned"... Life can be much more interesting that way. Feel free to keep the updates coming Toonces -nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 heh, I figured you mean't Holik, it's all good though, I was looking at pictures for a possible new project I'll most likely be content with wherever Mr. Lucas decides to take episode III. I've heard your brothers theroy a bunch of times, as long as it can be explained in the movie without being silly, it's all good. Oh, and that picture is actually of me, from a charity game a couple years ago http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/regulateone.jpg The model is now in alpha, with an extremely basic skin. I've found a few minor problems (flipped cap faces, a couple ugly deformations, a big line between the back and right arm) but for the most part he's deforming well. He's also missing his inner robe in these shots, so you can see through him in the middle. (inner section is in progress) The inner robe will be Emperor Palpatine only, Darth Sidious will most likely have a completely, or mostly closed robe (and a diffrent glm) http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/alpha20.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/alpha6.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/alpha9.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/alpha10.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/alpha7.jpg Thoes are my 5 favorate shots, there are about 21 total in the alpha gallery on my website incase you guys want to see a few more shots I have to adjust the bottom half of the robe a bit, make it a bit bigger in some places. The lightning seems to shoot out from the wrong place as well. (a little too far down and too the left) Backstab works properly though CT http://www.drivingcatstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmar Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 looking great so far, toonces. keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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