Natty Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 It's been bugging me- I watched Phantom Menace the other night to try and get some ideas, it's not his fault that they're so incompitent they couldn't gas a few Jedi or shoot a space ship down. So how exactly how was he betrayed?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK_Morovski Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 dooku says he betrayed the federation, not the other way round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted June 6, 2002 Author Share Posted June 6, 2002 Oh oooooops Silly me, ok well in that case how was the Trade Federation betrayed by Palpatine? I still don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK_Morovski Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 good question! i took it to mean he fought against them with his clone army, and he was all for defeating them at the end of ep 1. he used them to cement his position in government i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by Natty Oh oooooops Silly me, ok well in that case how was the Trade Federation betrayed by Palpatine? I still don't get it Simply put, Darth Sidious used the Trade Federation. He promised them wealth and power if they blockaded Naboo and forced the Queen to sign a treaty. Darth Sidious never informed them they would have to deal with any Jedi, or that he had an apprentice he might send to keep them in line, nor did he come to their aid when they were beaten by the Naboo and gungan resistance. Instead he got what he wanted (His political ascension) and left them out to dry. You can see their concern and unrest with Darth Sidious as Episode 1 went on: "My Lord, we dare not go against a Jedi. We are finished!" "Lord Sidious, is that Leegal?" "Now there are two of them, this is getting out of hand. We should never have made this bargain!" The Trade Federation does not know that Darth Sidious is actually Palpatine, or they would really be fuming. Nor do they realize that Count Dooku is working for Darth Sidious, or you can bet they wouldn't be with the Confederacy! They, like the Jedi did, believe that Count Dooku is simply a disgruntled Jedi who feels the Jedi and Senate are failing the people of the republic and wants change. So the Irony of it is, even though the Trade Federation is upset with Darth Sidious and want nothing to do with him or the Sith ever again, they are unkowingly working for him again, and again taking the fall for his political agenda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 couldnt have said it better myself, havoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted June 7, 2002 Author Share Posted June 7, 2002 Whooohooo thanx That makes it a lot easier to understand now. I guess that brings me to my next question Why Padmé? Why Naboo? Is it coz she's a girl and us girls are seen as weaklings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eets Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Because Palpatine was a senator of Naboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Originally posted by Natty I guess that brings me to my next question Why Padmé? Why Naboo? Is it coz she's a girl and us girls are seen as weaklings? Why Naboo? Well, mostly because Naboo is his home planet and the planet he represents as senator. This would, and eventually does, generate sympathy for the planet allowing him a little more sway in influential decisions (i.e. elected as Supreme Chancellor). There may be more to Naboo than meets the eye that may have served a different purpose in Palpatine's original plan, but that's just conjecture. Palpatine, even with the Jedi interfering and the Trade Federation failing, managed to land on his feet and used it to his advantage. Why Queen Amidala (Padme)? Well, mostly becuase she is the Queen of Naboo and therefore in order to accomplish the above stated plan, he would have to deal with her. Secondly, Queen Amidala was a well loved Queen, young and beautiful, making again for more sympathy amoung the senate for the Naboo situation which translates to more sway and influence for Palpatine in the senate. After Episode1, in Episode 2, Senator Padme is very much against against forming an army for the republic and has a group of supporters in the senate, and therefore Palpatine either needs to persuay her to see differently or to get rid of her altogethor. Coincidentally, Nute Gunray (Viceroy of the Trade Federation) still holds a severe grudge against Padme for foiling his plans on Naboo in Episode 1. Palpatine again uses Nute Gunray by having Count Dooku hire Jango Fett to assisinate Padme as a favor to Nute Gunray. Little does Nute Gunray know that the assisination is actually Palpatine's desire and that now it will be traced back to Nute Gunray and not Palpatine (Once again The Trade Federation takes the fall for Palpatine). Jango Fett, in turn, hires Zam Wessell to assisinate Padme and this leads us to the beginning of Episode 2. If the Assisination attempt is a success then it will pave the way for Palpatine to introduce his clone army. If it's a failure(which it ended up being) it will help to persuade those who are against a Republic army to see how dangerous times have become and hopefully change their votes in Palpatine's favor. So you see, Palpatine is a very clever and crafty man. And even when his original plans fail he still manages to make that failure work for his advantage. Very Dangererous, Palpatine is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted June 8, 2002 Author Share Posted June 8, 2002 Oh yeah- lol I'm such a ditz sometimes, now it's all pretty obvious when it shoulda been in the first place Considering Padmé is so against the clones, she didn't hesitate in using them to go get Anakin and Obiwan...hmmmmmm? Maybe her opinions have changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinstar02 Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 Originally posted by Natty ... Why Padmé? Why Naboo? Is it coz she's a girl and us girls are seen as weaklings? No, Its because the movie needed a hot chick. It could have just as easily been some ugly blue alien girlie with tentacles but that wouldnt help ticket sales you know. -ts02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 Some ugly blue alien girlie with tentacles? Man where have you been? There's a beautiful blue alien girlie with tentacles in the movie (Episode II)! The blue Twi'lek Jedi Aayla Secura (Amy Allen)! Not only is she better looking that Padme Amidala (Nathalie Portman) but she'd also kick her ass! Just admire and drool : http://www.starwars.com/community/news/2002/03/news20020325_2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frizbee Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Its really good how Palpatine twists everything to his favour though... even when the assassination on Senator Amidala failed, he pressed for her to be taken away from the area to "safety" Thus, removing her vote as she would have to appoint someone to vote in her place... in this case Jar-Jar. Immediately Palpatine starts dropping hints and suggestions like "if only someone would vote me emergency powers" Jar-Jar, being impressionable, does just that, allowing Palpatine to skip past the vote of the senate, to get the clone army immediately. Plus, once he has emergency powers, he can do anything he needs to until the threat has gone.... now, its up to him to decide when that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone142 Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Originally posted by Havoc Stryphe Why Queen Amidala (Padme)? Well, mostly becuase she is the Queen of Naboo and therefore in order to accomplish the above stated plan, he would have to deal with her. Secondly, Queen Amidala was a well loved Queen, young and beautiful, making again for more sympathy amoung the senate for the Naboo situation which translates to more sway and influence for Palpatine in the senate. It's also because Palpatine thought Queen Amidala yound and naive and therefore easy to manipulate (he didn't expext her to return to Naboo and kick the Trade Federation's ass). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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