Tiran Dev Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 I am just wondering if anyone has any background knowledge of where the "Sith" began, and how it differs from someone just holding the title of "Dark Jedi." Or if there even is a difference? And was Palpatine virtually the first Sith Lord, or did he have a master he once answered to? Jedi in Question, Tiran Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 A Sith is someone trained in the arts of the Sith, an ancient enemy of the Jedi. A Dark Jedi is someone who was a Jedi, but turned to the Dark Side. Darth Maul was a Sith, but not a Dark Jedi. Darth Vader was a Dark Jedi, and a Sith. Palpatine was no where near the first Sith Lord, there were Sith much further into the past...I don't believe the issue of who his master was has been addressed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryd0r Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Darth Sidious/Palpatine was trained by Darth Imperius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Derski Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Originally posted by Stryd0r Darth Sidious/Palpatine was trained by Darth Imperius. And you found that where I might ask?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 It makes sense that Sidious had a master. I've just never heard of him/her/it. Where'd you get your info, Stry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedragon Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Originally posted by Tiran Dev I am just wondering if anyone has any background knowledge of where the "Sith" began, and how it differs from someone just holding the title of "Dark Jedi." Or if there even is a difference? And was Palpatine virtually the first Sith Lord, or did he have a master he once answered to? Jedi in Question, Tiran Dev im sure he was. all great jedi/sith were apprenticed. and no he wasent the first sith lord the last one i can remember is exar cun he was the first one to use a twin bladed lightsaber. darth maul was the second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 hmmm Imperius, so than I guess the Imperials was a tribute to his fallen master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 I doubt that the Imperials was named after his master, after all Imperials is the collective term for people belonging to an Empire. Which EU source states who trained Sidious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russk Rijann Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Jesus who was the first sith again? Dammit I knew this! The first sith started out as a Jedi but fell to some powers he found on a planet approximately 25000 years before the Phantom Meance. Sorry its a little vauge I used to know this. Well the first Sith Lord appeared before the golden age of the sith! I know that at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 That first Sith, or more to the point the one that established the rule of two was Darth Bane, after the Sith imploded. What makes the Sith the Sith, their traits led to infighting of everyone wanting to be the top Sith. As for the first Sith, we know that the Sith were a race of people on a planet where that Jedi ended up after being banished from the Jedi Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 The most famous Sith next to the ones mentioned in the movies is probably the Dark Lord Exar Kun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigDAN456 Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Originally posted by Stryd0r Darth Sidious/Palpatine was trained by Darth Imperius. How do you know this? I think that his master may have been Darth Exodus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiran Dev Posted June 8, 2002 Author Share Posted June 8, 2002 I think i've also read somewhere that after ROTJ, the new REpublic finds out that the Emperor's "spirit" if you will still survived, and was put into a clone or somehting to that effect?? So does that imply that, jsut like jedi Masters who become one with the Force, the Sith masters still exist?? This is pretty goddamn deep,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russk Rijann Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Actually Tiran I remmber one really nasty sith being imprisoned on a planet after dying (his spirit not the corpse) during the sith war. I think Luke Skywalker kills him in one of the books though. But still that could mean sith's could do what Obi-Wan did in EpsIV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Originally posted by Russk Rijann Actually Tiran I remmber one really nasty sith being imprisoned on a planet after dying (his spirit not the corpse) during the sith war. I think Luke Skywalker kills him in one of the books though. But still that could mean sith's could do what Obi-Wan did in EpsIV... Not quite, it was Exar Kun, and he had to anchor himself to the Sith Temples at Yavin. This wasn't an event that any Sith could pull off, or anywhere. It was specifically him, at specifically that place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 the sith is basically a religious practice in the same way being a jedi is, but thier objectives are self gratification and using the force for gain. The sith was created by fallen and exiled jedi, who wanted to play by their own rules. ever since then they have been in competition and the balance of the force switches to whichever side is stronger, so they become even more powerful. Sidious/palpatine was the one who was imbalancing the force because he had gained so much power, and thats why it was anakins destiny to rebalance the force and he did this by killing palpatine. In UE material it is said that palpatine had uncovered lost sith secrets of incredible power. he was able to transfer his soul to new clone bodies and he would do this frequently near the end of this physical life because he was channeling so much dark side energy, his body would litterally burn out. and according to UE material he goes on to live after rotj in a new clone body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Gantoris and Kyp just happened to come along for Kun to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 Exar kun was the coolest of the currently documented sith lords. He was so evil and bad ass he could still cause mischeif thousands and thousands of year later. his only downfall was his arrogance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Darth Sidious was indeed trained by Darth Imperious. I would explain the history of the sith myself... but its sooo much easier just to copy and paste it from a reliable source. "The history of the Sith Lords is a long and fearsome one, running the gamut from nameless dark apparitions to the most fearsome Dark Lord of the Sith, Darth Vader, the one-time Anakin Skywalker, under whose reign of terror entire civilizations were exterminated and the Jedi Knights nearly wiped out. It is a history filled with bloody internal strife, wars against the Galactic Republic and constant battles against the Jedi Knights, the upholders of the light side of the Force. If there is one recurring theme, it is that the Jedi over and over believed that they had exterminated the Sith threat forever, only to find it had merely lain dormant for ages. While the details are lost in the mists of time, Galactic historians believe there has been a rift between the light side and the dark side of the Force almost since the foundation of the Jedi Order some 25,000 standard years before the Battle of Yavin. Many think it was one rogue Jedi who fell to the dark side, turned others, and eventually built an entire army of dark siders. For the next century, a deadly war swept the galaxy, destroying planets and civilizations before the Jedi Knights prevailed. Vanquished, the few remaining dark Jedi fled across the galaxy into the unknown region. It was there that they landed on an unmapped world and encountered a primitive species known as the Sith. The Sith treated the dark Jedi like gods, and almost willingly let themselves be enslaved. With unlimited resources and manpower, and eons to forge an evil empire far from the prying eyes of the Republic or the Jedi Knights, the Sith entered a Golden Age. But about 5,000 standard years before the Battle of Yavin, the Republic discovered the Sith empire. An ambitious Dark Lord of the Sith named Naga Sadow decided he could conquer the vast Republic and began the Great Hyperspace War. His armies were defeated by the Jedi Knights. Other outbreaks of warfare between Jedi and Sith, and among the Sith themselves, took place over the next thousand years. Around a thousand standard years before the Battle of Yavin, a new Sith Lord arose, one whose life still remains mostly in the shadows, but who had a major impact on events in the galaxy. Darth Bane understood well how the Sith order nearly self-destructed and knew that without a new self-discipline, and the utmost stealth, the Sith would never survive to truly vanquish the Jedi. It was Darth Bane who enforced the single most important diktat of the New Sith Order, that there could be but two Sith, a Master and an apprentice. He enforced a new restraint that was so complete and lasted so long that the Jedi Council believed that the Sith had been completely vanquished. But in utmost secrecy, and in an unbroken chain for nearly a millennium, the evil Sith ways of the Force were passed down from Master to apprentice. Finally, some 32 standard years before the Battle of Yavin, around the time of the blockade of Naboo, the Sith made their presence known. While Darth Sidious, a shadowy Sith Lord, manipulated Galactic politics behind the scenes, his fearsome apprentice Darth Maul took on the Jedi openly. That brings us to the story of the Sith Lords in the Star Wars films, those already made and those yet to be released. " fallallaaaa As for Exar Kun "Once the most powerful and dangerous Dark Lords of the Sith, he was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire. Kun was taught in the ways of the Jedi by Master Vodo Siosk-Baas, but he was pulled to the dark side and secretly used his Master's Jedi Holocron to learn about past Dark Lords of the Sith, such as Freedon Nadd. Kun studied the dark side further and when he went to the tomb of Freedon Nadd, he was confronted by the spirit of the Dark Lord. Kun had second thoughts about joining the dark side and he was attacked by Nadd's spirit. The attack left Kun near death and his only hope of survival was to fully embrace the dark side. In the time that followed, Nadd's spirit filled him with tales of the ancient Sith Lord Naga Sadow and the experiments that Sadow had carried out on Yavin 4 to give flesh to the spirits of the dead. Nadd told Kun that he must complete Sadow's work and give Nadd a new body. On Yavin 4, Kun again renounced the dark side, but was attacked by the Massassi, mutated descendants of Sadow's experiments. They prepared him for death in a Massassi Blood Sacrifice, and Kun again turned to the dark side to save his life. He killed all who opposed him, including Nadd's spirit. In the months that followed, Kun had the Massassi build huge temples of an ancient Sith design to focus great dark side energies. He also continued Sadow's experiments and turned the Massassi into creatures of death. Master Vodo Siosk-Baas volunteered to try and turn his former student from the dark side, but Kun killed his former master. The battles that followed, known as the Sith War, resulted in millions of deaths. After the Jedi discovered the secret of Kun's power base on Yavin 4, the resulting battle destroyed most of the moon's temples and destroyed Kun's body. But before he was destroyed, Kun drained the life force from every Massassi and kept his spirit alive but trapped in the remaining Yavin temples. Over 4,000 years later, Luke Skywalker opened a Jedi training academy based in Yavin 4's Great Temple. Kun's spirit awakened and tempted some of Skywalker's trainees into turning to the dark side. He began to turn Kyp Durron, until Luke saw what was happening and confronted Kyp. With Kun's help, Durron attacked his teacher with dark force lightning and separated Luke's spirit from his body. Kun underestimated the remaining students, who focused their will into a single entity of the Force, finally destroying Kun's spirit, restoring Luke's spirit to his body and freeing Kyp Durron from the hold of the dark side." sooooo much less time consuming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 I didn't see where it said that Imperius was Sidious's master... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 and Clon0xed sidious didnt have teh l33t kybar crystal!!!1 Dont remember, think it was in one of teh Star warz enzyclopedias that spoke of Mistar Imperious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 very well done Fallacy . i actually knew all of those specifics at one point in my life about 5 years ago, but i no longer have most of those books and cant remember that well. The tales of the Jedi were some very cool dark horse comics despite the sometimes crappy art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Yeah, I had every EU novel there was, then sold thme all to a used book store for $30. Im still regretting it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olin Valden Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 The first Sith never Existed Luke Skywalker never Existed, Its just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Wow fallacy, thanks for that. It was very informative. Not being sarcastic at all i didn'Mt know some of that and enjoyed reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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