Is it possible to be between Light and Dark?

[bigDAN456]

Is it possible for a jedi to be between the Light side and Dark side?

I'm asking this because kyle uses both light and dark powers.

[Fallacy]

So does Luke, he uses Grip in ROTJ - a power associated with dark side Jedi. He also wears black - a fashion only seen in dark jedi. However, i have been told that his fashion is his own way of reminding himself of how his father was turned to the dark side... personally i think thats a load of crap and luke was a grey jedi.

[Jedi-Ghendu]

i believe it is possible because it's true Luke was..... I mean just check out ESB and see how he uses anger and goes against obi and yoda but doesnt join the dark side

[bigDAN456]

Originally posted by Jedi-Ghendu

i believe it is possible because it's true Luke was..... I mean just check out ESB and see how he uses anger and goes against obi and yoda but doesnt join the dark side

 

yes, but he wasn't a jedi yet.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Well it has been said that Luke was balancing on the edge between light and dark in RotJ. (hence his black outfit)

[bjorn]

try to think of the force as yin and yang. both halfs are equal in a person, and there is a seed in each side that would change it to the other side. so the perfect jedi would be able to balance light and dark, but they would not be able to use the dark side out of anger. take Mace Windu. He is a jedi and uses the light side of the force, but when he is in battle he alway seems pissed at something. (this could be because he was played by Samuel L. Jackson)

[Pvt_Dancer]

Back in the day when I used to post a few times an hour there was a thread about force powers. What the discussion was mostly about was that there are no light and dark side powers... there is just the Force. Light and dark powers are just a function of the game but don't hold to the movie.

 

Yes, Luke uses the Force to choke that Gamorean Guard but he does so without anger or hatred. He doesn't use it to kill... he is operating within the confines of his Light training.

 

I'll have to watch the movies again but I am pretty sure that somewhere someone says that giving into your anger or hatred will draw you into the dark side... there being no real grey area with the Force. Do or do not... there is no try.

 

Of course within the story of this game, there does seem to be a middle area.

[Worms]

Umm... Kyp Durron is grey, a very dark grey....

Luke is fairly grey as well and so is Kyle, they both do some fairly evil things

[Zindell]

What Pvt_Dancer is saying is correct. Force is Force. Dark force powers and Light force powers are just part of the game.

 

Plo Koon uses force lightning. Dooku used it because he was probably taught it from Darth Sidious.

 

They made those distinctions for the game purposes just to make it more unique.

[DannyJAllTheWay]

Uber jedi???

[XxWinnaRxX]

There's 2 types that fall under the specifications 'not dark, but not light either.'

 

The first and more common type is Neutral Jedi.

It's like JK with force level six, you got some light powers and some dark powers. You get what, basic telekinesis and hyperkinesis, and I think you get grip, throw, blinding, and persuasion, or something like that.

 

Just a little of both.

 

The Neutral Jedi either stay where they at and never complete their training or they choose a side and become a regular old Jedi or Sith.

 

The Uber Jedi is the cool one. They have all of everything. Since they're not 'neither,' but more like 'both,' they can do absolutely whatever the flying hell they decide, and there's no "OMG YOU'RE A (darkie/lightey)!!!" because they're...both. He'd be like yes, but I'm also a {darkie/lightey} too, so there, ha.

Besides, they have all the powers, all of them, the dark and light powers, so they absorb somebody's lightning, nail someone with lightning of their own, and... um... well, lightning and absorb are the only sided powers I've ever seen in the movies, everything else falls under neutral abilities like sense, hyperkinesis, reflexes, and telekinesis.

 

I don't have JO yet, but I will soon enough, so for now I'll just compare to JK 00b3r Jedi:

You get:

 

(Force)

Seeing

speed

jump

pull

 

Light:

Heal

Blind

protection

absorb

 

Dark:

Grip

throw

destruction

deadlysight

 

Hell, if you had those powers alone, you have just about any and all powers I can think of.

 

Well there ya go. =/

[Ben_Walker]

Where and when did Plo Koon use lightning?

[Divine Spirit]

Originally posted by XxWinnaRxX

The Uber Jedi is the cool one

 

i sincerely hope george lucas didnt think up that name

 

 

 

Divine Spirit

[Darth_Lando]

I believe Qui Gon was a grey Jedi.

[Datheus]

I for one, don't believe that a Jedi can be judged on how he manifests the force. It's his intentions and actions that will drive him to the Dark side... It's just certain manifestations that Dark and Light Jedi will use, but in RotJ Luke used a "Dark" manifestation, but it was to save a life, not to rob Jabba of all his power.

[BCanr2d2]

There is a better way to discern the powers the Jedi and Sith yield.

 

The Jedi in general use ones that are passive, that usually end in no injury or destruction. They are more of a reactionary type of power, that they are used more often in defence than as an attack. After all, Yoda does teach Luke "That a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and events, never attack"

A Sith, or Dark Jedi - gotta love that EU'ism - use powers that are proactive, or attacking in nature. They involve an emotion, which in essence where the power of a Sith comes from, their ability to draw upon their emotion and manifest this in the Force.

In essence the Jedi (Light) powers are more in preservation, where as Sith (Dark) powers are of a destructive nature.

Obviously there are general kinds of powers that both have been taught, but use them differently. Sidious uses the mind trick to convince the Senate to vote for him, whereas Obi-Wan convinces the guy not to sell Death Sticks.....

[Stryd0r]

When you say, Luke wears black, is it mean't to mean anything?! Lots of people wear black, does it make them evil? No. It's just Luke's fashion style - he perhaps likes wearing black.

[Datheus]

I don't think as far as the movie goes, Luke wearing black means anything, but I do like to believe that Lucas was making one of those hidden meaning messages

[Jedi_Monk]

I'm writing a fan fiction called Depth of the Shadow, the final book in a trilogy I've been working on since 97. Anyway, in one scene, I wrote about one of our heroes being seduced to the Dark Side by a Sith Lord, and it basically explains what I think the opposition is between the Dark Side and Light Sides of the Force:

 

"You can hurt the Force, you know. That is why the Force hates the Sith. We hurt it--we mutilate it! We twist it into unnatural forms and manipulate it with our anger, rendering it a powerless slave to our will. Every virgance occurs with but one purpose: to destroy us. But we are independent, outside of even the Force's scope of influence.

"Join me, Vadis, and I will teach you to reap vengeance upon the Force itself!"

 

Basically, I think the Jedi go with the flow, so to speak. They obey the Force, act in the interest of the Force (preserving life--which generates the Force--and battling the Dark Side). When they use the Force, it is what the Force wants, more the Force lending itself to them than anything else. But the Dark Siders act against the nature of the Force (which is unification and life), and in order to use the Force for their purpose, they, like I wrote above, twist it and mutilate it into unnatural forms.

 

The providence of the Force, the Will of the Force, has no power over them because they can control it. The only way the Force can control the Sith is to have people fighting against them. The Force needs the Jedi as much as the Jedi need the Force; the Jedi are white blood cells battling against a disease that threatens the body of the Force.

 

The fundamental difference, I think, between the Light Side and Dark Side is this: Is the person working in the interest of the greater good, with the Force as his ally--or is he working toward his own gain and using the Force as his slave?

[bigDAN456]

I just found a website about grey jedi's.

http://www.greyjedi.net

[JandoFett1842]

Ulic Que Dulac (sp?) was a old repulic jedi who seemed to use both sides.

[Pedro The Hutt]

Well it doesn't really matter what Force power you use. (besides lightning and such), basically, Force push, pull, lift and grip are all the same, namely to manipulate an object with the force. So for example Force pushing someone onto the floor to be able to get a few seconds to escape is very light-side-ish. Push someone over a cliff and that's dark side, same with the Luke gripping deal, he didn't kill the Gamorrean, he just did that to assure passage to Jabba's chamber. Same can be said about the mind trick, do what Obi-Wan did to pass by some people without getting into trouble and it's perfectly alright within the realms of the light side. Mind trick someone into killing himself or turning against his friends, you're just taking yourself to the dark side.

And so on and so forth.

[Pvt_Dancer]

I guess I was speaking more to the cannon sources, the movies. There is no balancing on the edge in the movies, any of them, that is apparent. The way I see it is that only time you may be between is when you are being drawn into the dark side. In example, Anakin angrily smites down the Tusken camp to revenge his mother (anyone else think her abduction may have been planned to deliberately draw him into the dark side ) and yet he then went on to pull his anger in and fight as a Jedi... for a short while anyway. But he isn't hovering in between... he is just slowly descending into the darkness.

 

Supposedly though according to the movies, I think, once you start down the path of anger you get pulled into the dark side. Not that there can't be a movement either way... Vader comes back to the light at the very end... but it is never an easy transition. I mean, it took a to-the-death battle with his son, almost being beaten and then seeing his son almost killed by the Emporer as Luke lay there with his defenses down.

 

I personally just don't see there being a middle area.

 

I never saw Qui Gon as a grey Jedi! He always acted with his feelings in reserve and for what he believed to be the right path.

[Darth Nader]

this is some heavy territory. i think more or less everything has already been said or repeated one way or another.

 

btw, just imagine sitting down years from now with a DVD player ( or something even more advanced) and both trilogies in a six-pack collection and just watching them all end to end. won't that be nice? ahhhhh..........

 

just to let you know, XxWinnaRxX, you're not the only one posting who doesn't own the actual game yet (JK II). i'll get it soon enough and i'll just be content with the demo until then.

[X R Kun]

Havent u guys read I,Jedi? There was actually this group in which Luke called an in-between force user or something, The Jensaarai.

During the old republic, there was one Jedi who discovered Exar Kun's temple and the writings on Sith training. This Jedi practised it and had these group of people train it under him. They practiced the ways of the sith but to actually defend their people/planet. Luke mentioned that by doing that, they have not actually gone to the dark side and instead lies in between.

Stupid thing really..