Holo-Sidious Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 Chancellor Palpatine / Darth Sidious and his Grand Army of the Republic seem to be fine, but I thought that the was built in the Maw Instalation by s and Grand Moff Tarkin. Yet, in AOTC, the Geonosians give Count Dooku the plans for the and he then gives them to . The Geonosians building the never came up in anything before! What happened to the Maw Instalation plan? Anyway, AOTC is a great film, especially the between Count Dooku and the Jedi. versus is a great fight, too. Long live ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holo-Sidious Posted June 17, 2002 Author Share Posted June 17, 2002 I'm talking about the and the Geonosians. I don't know what the EU has to do with that. Long live ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 It's always possible the Geonosians concieved the Death Star, developped the plans and everything but that with the Clone Wars they were wiped out. Since they gave the plans to Dooku who turned them over to Sidious he could always have had the Death Star built years later when he was the Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Originally posted by Holo-Sidious I'm talking about the and the Geonosians. I don't know what the EU has to do with that. Long live ! And you also are talking about the Maw installation, which IS EU...........and so it has no bearing on the movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lijijil Posted June 25, 2002 Share Posted June 25, 2002 Agent Smith seems to have hit the nail on the head, Tarkin was probably working for him (the Emporer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Since the Geonosian soldiers go into hiding in the catacombs on Geonosis and the New Republic Clone army is presented as having won the battle, from this I'd conclude they have rudimentray control over the planet surface so they could shut down/destroy/sabotage/seize the droid foundaries. This would probably take the Geonosians out of the equation and reduce them to fighting a guerilla war from their hiding grounds in the catacombs. To prevent the Jedi from discovering the plans/idea of the Death Star -alike- superweapon the Geonosians hand it over to Dooku who says they'll be safe with his master. Since Sidious has been revealed in the first 2 movies to be an absolute master at manipulation, scheming and planning while appearing perfectly innocent or not involved it's safe to think he wasn't able to safely start to build a Death Star right away when he got the plans. (Resources and personel needed are tremendous, plus with having been able to hide the Clone Amry from the Jedi he must realize they'd be more on their toes now. - They'd better be anways!) It's also possible the plans still needed further development to make the actual Death Star work or be 'buildable'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Originally posted by Holo-Sidious Chancellor Palpatine / Darth Sidious and his Grand Army of the Republic seem to be fine, but I thought that the was built in the Maw Instalation by s and Grand Moff Tarkin. Yet, in AOTC, the Geonosians give Count Dooku the plans for the and he then gives them to . The Geonosians building the never came up in anything before! What happened to the Maw Instalation plan? Anyway, AOTC is a great film, especially the between Count Dooku and the Jedi. versus is a great fight, too. Long live ! if you read your post you'll see the solution. DESIGNED by geonosians (and surely many people we didn't see in scene). BUILT years later in the Maw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.BF Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 I wouldn't put much faith in the maw installation appearing at all. Geroge Lucas doesn't pay any attention to the extended universe, apparently he hasn't even read any of the EU books. Random snippets are added by post production people, or someone might suggest something from EU, explain what it is and he'll make a decision (eg that blue twilek woman jedi person), but I doubt a major plot point would appear in such a manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 You mean Aayla Secura. Aayla Secura is blue female Twi'lek who originated in the EU Dark Horse comic as the Padawan of Quinlan Vos. George Lucas saw start potential in the character when he observed her in Jon Foster's cover art for Star Wars #33 Darkness 2 of 4. Although Episode II was well into post production he decided to add Aayla Secura to the movie nonetheless. Aayla Secura was played by Amy Allen who at that time was an ILM employee (a production assistant, she is credited as such in the Episode II credits). Amy had already played a blue Twi'lek for the Episode I DVD where George Lucas changed Orn Free Taa's aides to Twi'leks. Aayla's costume was made true to the comic book and Amy Allen shot all her scenes against a green screen and was digitally added into the film. (You see her first in the Jedi temple behind Obi-Wan, then at various instances before, during and after the Arena battle.) I think Amy Allen did a perfect job playing Aayla Secura and added a whole new dimension to the character. She really combines and balances strength, beauty, sassyness and grace perfectly as Aayla. Aayla Secura is a full Jedi Knight by the time of Episode II, this has been officially confirmed even next to the fact that it happens in the current Rite of Passage series which take place before Ep II. Aayla Secura's first Master/teacher was Quinlan Vos but after they both strayed close to the Dark Side, having lost their memories and all, she was reassigned to Master Tholme. It would be great if Aayla had some major scenes and dialogue in Ep III. (GL? Please?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 I'd almost forget! Here you can find the Top Story feature on Aayla/Amy at starwars.com : http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/feature/20020618/index.html (Full of great info and pictures. What do you expect I have the whole thing on my HD already! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 OMG, don't mention "that blue twilek jedi woman" to Agent Smith! You've done it now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionen Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 ehm, Ayla is on screen a few times during the firght on Geonosis. She has no lines. How come that AgentSmith can state that she "combines and balances strength, beauty, sassyness and grace perfectly as Aayla."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 I'll let you answer that Agent Smith. You will do a much better job of it than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lijijil Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Well done agent Smith, what a wonderful ball of knowledge you are, keep going with it....please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Never ever ever get Agent Smith started on Aayala Secura......he'll go on for hours and hours and we'll have to sit here and listen and such.....now if you want to talk about Plo Koon on the other hand.......... I highly doubt that George will add the Maw installation........however i'm pretty sure that he's read most if not all of the EU books...he just chooses not to agree with them when he doesn't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 26, 2002 Share Posted June 26, 2002 Originally posted by Sgt.BF (eg that blue twilek woman jedi person), . Sgt.BF you said the magic words("blue twilek woman jedi person") RUnnnn!!! Youll get him started!...well its too late now;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Well let's first mention some characters that were only in a few scenes of Star Wars (OT and Ep I), had no lines and created a great following in the EU : - Boba Fett (Became so popular they 'resurrected' him in the EU and George Lucas even put a young Boba and his father Jango in EP II because of this.) - Mara Jade (Yes she's in ROTJ in Jabba's palace for about a fraction of a second but she's there!) - Aurra Sing (In TPM during the pod race.) - IG-88 (In ESB on Vader's star destroyer where the bounty hunters were gathered.) (To name some of the most important ones) Why does Amy Allen balance strenght, beauty, sassyness and grace perfectly as Aayla? First of all if you look at the publicty shots of Amy Allen as Aayla Secura (http://www.starwars.com/community/news/2002/03/news20020325_2.html) I think and feel that she has grace, inspires strength and confidence, and generally looks like she can and will kick your ass needs be. (Off course that's just my personal opinion.) Second if you look at her scenes in Episode II you'll see she moves gracefully and has tremendous appeal. (If you watch Episode II digitally projected everything on the background is crystal clear. Just watch Aayla in the Jedi temple scene, the way she walks, stands. Her -sadly few- lightsaber moves at the Arena on Geonosis. Awesome.) And third, Aayla Secura was already an existing EU character with an entire background in the Dark horse comic books, George Lucas was impressed by an art cover portraying her he saw star potential and decided to put her in Episode II. With the EU comics as a background that give you tons of insight into Aayla's past, how she talks, thinks, acts, you see that Amy Allen added a whole dimension to Aayla Secura in Episode II, this in the best possible way. So to speak you had a half set of the characters dimension that existed in the EU comics and with Aayla Secura being added as a character in the movie this added another half to the characters dimension that makes it stand out. (And causes the famed Keanu Reeves 'Wow' effect. ) I gather not entirely unlike Plo Koon (though Plo Koon was in Episode I but was 'fleshed out' more in the EU). But ET Warrior -spelt your name right there!- can tell you about Plo Koon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 FYI the Keanu Reeves 'Wow' effect is that when you see Aayla Secura you go 'Wow' because she's just absolutely stunning and awesome. And if you don't go 'Wow' ... boy, there's definately something wrong with you! j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.BF Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 I didn't really notice her, to be honest. She's more of a random alien jedi. I don't like alien jedi. My feeble brain can't cope with an entity fulfilling two roles. Alien or jedi. Both concepts are too complicated to be combined. Major concepts (such as alien, jedi, droid, normal, etc.) can be combined with minor ones (rogue, bountry hunter, slave, drinking person #3 on the right, etc.), but alien jedi, like droid jedi would just be rediculous. Actually that's a bollox way of putting it, but I'm so disgusted by hearing my own voice read this in my head and seeing my own reflection in the screen that I'm going to have to stop now or risk comitting suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 No worries, that leaves all the more Aayla for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Droid Jedi would be rediculous. Alien Jedi is normal. Just accept it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 I think Alien Jedi is a concept that works just fine for me. I'd rather get me some of that Ailen Jedi blue Twi'lek babe. Hubba hubba. Just got me the 'Twilight' TPB, yummy. So much better straight through no adds just the pure art of Aayla on high quality paper. Only the real Aayla Secura/Amy Allen is better. I accept no substitute Twi'leks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by AgentSmith I think Alien Jedi is a concept that works just fine for me. I'd rather get me some of that Ailen Jedi blue Twi'lek babe. Hubba hubba. Just got me the 'Twilight' TPB, yummy. So much better straight through no adds just the pure art of Aayla on high quality paper. Only the real Aayla Secura/Amy Allen is better. I accept no substitute Twi'leks. The Twi'lek Jabba throws to the Rancor is pretty hot too(by Alien Babe standards I mean;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 You mean Oola? When they contacted Femi Taylor to play Oola again for the OT SE, they were concerned she might have gained some weight (she's in her thirties and all) but she was actually in better shape that during ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by AgentSmith FYI the Keanu Reeves 'Wow' effect is that when you see Aayla Secura you go 'Wow' because she's just absolutely stunning and awesome. And if you don't go 'Wow' ... boy, there's definately something wrong with you! j/k I'm pretty sure it's a "woah" not a "wow", but I'll give Aayla a "woah" Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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