Need New Star Wars Directing

[mez1109]

Now don't get me wrong, I am not a Star Wars hater, anf I have seen all the Star Wars Movies.

The point is that the new Episodes specially Episode 2, has all the things that made the old Star Wars an Exellent Movie, but there is no feeling. The directing does not give you a feeling of the story, you don't feel sorry for Anakin when his mother dies for example. It made Star Wars just like ANOTHER movie, no better no verse then any other movie such as the one beating ALL box office hits(don't want to mention the name).

I am sorry George, but you previous movies weere and are still Excellent, but the execessive use of computer graphics, and bad directing don't give you the special sparkle as your previous movies.

[leXX]

I would have to totally disagree with everything you just said.

 

I felt very sorry for Anakin when his mother died, indeed I nearly cried. The film has great feeling, my emotions were on a rollercoaster throughout it.

 

I think Lucas done a great job. He already said that ANH was not how he wanted it because he didn't have the special effects available to him at the time. This time, he has all the CGI available to him and he done it brilliantly. Do you really think he is going to hire thousands of men and dress them all up in clone suits or make thousands of robots for episode 1?

 

He balanced the love story and the action perfectly and in between it all, explained alot of the story.

 

Great job done Lucas!

[Swifty]

Mez, I agree completely. However, I think his writing is also affected. On his A&E biography, he adopted a girl between Empire and Jedi.

 

Now, with Ewoks, and Gungans, and that damn "Yippee", I wonder if his outlook changed. Including, Jedi, Menace, and Clones, these movies feel much more kiddy than the first two. I mean geez an epic battle in EP1, and you gotta Freeze Frame to find a Gungan shot! Contrast with Solo being tortured in Empire.

 

A New Hope showed Blood in the Cantina, and Maul completely sawed in two only shows that red mist crap. Or in EP2, the same cantina idea, same OBI-WAN, (Probably same sabre too) and no blood.

 

I'm not into gore or anything, but in a basic story of good and evil, the evil isn't so bad anymore. Therefore the good guys don't need to be so good either.

 

Having said all this, the worst SW is head and shoulders above any other flick IMO. But damn, they could be SOOO much better.

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by Swifty

Now, with Ewoks, and Gungans, and that damn "Yippee",

 

I agree the "Yippee" is kind of annoying. But I guese thats how kids act...

 

A New Hope showed Blood in the Cantina, and Maul completely sawed in two only shows that red mist crap. Or in EP2, the same cantina idea, same OBI-WAN, (Probably same sabre too) and no blood.

 

The blood in the cantina was mistake by lucas. It says that somewere(dont recall were though). It was later stated that sabers singes the flesh, making you not bleed.

 

I'm not into gore or anything, but in a basic story of good and evil, the evil isn't so bad anymore. Therefore the good guys don't need to be so good either.

 

What? I really didnt get what you said. Ill try to answer the best I can:

There isnt really any "Bad" guys YET in the prequel-other than sidious and maybe Dooku(Maul too but he is dead,.....sniff:( )

The seperatists are not that bad. They just have different political views. Sidious is really making them do the more extreme bad things. In the OT , the whole empire is evil.

Just cause there isnt an excess of gore , your saying there isnt any evil in the prequels?? lol thats ridiculous.

 

Having said all this, the worst SW is head and shoulders above any other flick IMO. But damn, they could be SOOO much better.

 

If Lucas had the technology back in the 70's 80's the filsm would have looked exactlly like the new ones. This is how he had always wanted the films to look like.

[mez1109]

When I saw Darth slash Luke's hand, I said holy crap that must hurt, because it looked real.

Anakin looses nearly his whole arm, and it dosn't have the same effect, it could be because it did not only look fake but there was no close up camera view on his arm bein chopped.

I have to agree that it has very childish corky jokes, unlike Schwarzenegger Jokes, it don't feel serious enough sometimes.

 

The Political part, well, it makes it more realistic, as in the real world there is no real BAD people, its just business or power take over.

Still a Sith Jedi, IS EVIL, even though Anakin is not, he just responds wrong to actions.

If BATMAN or SPIDERMAN are allowed to have revenge on those who killed their family member and anyone that crosses their way, why cant Anakin?

 

I am not saying the computer graphics are crap, they were OVER USED, meaning that certain stunts did not need a computer generated graphics. If RAMBO can fall from a cliff and not die while normal film cutting and special effects are used, then they can use the blue screen to send Anakin flying down from a Hover Car(or wathever its called).

 

The Mummy has a good use of computer graphics, they are used, but not on all stunts, they look real, and sometimes you dont even know that computer graphics are used.

[mez1109]

Star Wars is Exellent.

But if they had the exellent combination in the old movies why get rid of it, and change the style that made it World Wide Great.

If Star Wars continues like this, I am scared that it will turn into the Batman Series, as they are great to watch and every one will go, but have lost the edge.

Alien 1 & 2 Exellent Alien 3 Good Alien 4 Ressurection bunch of crap.

Is this the line Lucas is going to go?

Anyway who is the director for the next Star Wars movie?

[MotionMan]

The new star wars movies are not just being made out of nowere. Lucas had the idea of the movies since back in the 70's. Its all one big story. It has always been that way.

 

Why do you say continue like this?There is only 1 more movie left. There is nothing wrong with the new films. Some minor things I can agree that were not very pleasing(jarjar). But the OT had these too.

[ET Warrior]

i thought we'd scared off all of the Lucas bashers in here......

 

If RAMBO can fall from a cliff and not die while normal film cutting and special effects are used, then they can use the blue screen to send Anakin flying down from a Hover Car

 

And when Rambo jumped off of that cliff did he have to avoid other speeders and ships that were flying past him? And did he have to grab ahold of one particular speeder that was moving EXTREMELY fast? no, i didn't think so.........*sigh*

 

Still a Sith Jedi, IS EVIL, even though Anakin is not, he just responds wrong to actions. If BATMAN or SPIDERMAN are allowed to have revenge on those who killed their family member and anyone that crosses their way, why cant Anakin?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that fist part about sith jedi and anakin and whatnot, but the last part, anakin can't just go around taking revenge because that is the Dark Side......Jedi are supposed to be above such things as revenge, hate, anger. They don't let their emotions control them. Superman is just an alien, and spiderman got bit by a spider, they don't have any system of rules or whatnot.

 

 

new Episodes specially Episode 2, has all the things that made the old Star Wars an Exellent Movie, but there is no feeling

 

If it has all the things that made the OT excellent....then aren't the prequels also......excellent? And then shouldn't you stop complaining?

 

 

A New Hope showed Blood in the Cantina, and Maul completely sawed in two only shows that red mist crap. Or in EP2, the same cantina idea, same OBI-WAN, (Probably same sabre too) and no blood.

 

And in the very first scene of A New Hope we see stormtroopers and rebels getting shot in the chest with blasters.....but there is no blood atall....shouldn't they be spraying blood everywhere?

 

And as for feeling, i felt VERY sad when Anakins mom died, and i felt really nervous/scared/excited when anakin was giving his speech on how he killed the sand people, that was awesome. And i was as startled by him losing his arm as i was by luke losing his hand. Perhaps the problem is that when you saw Luke lose his hand you were a young kid, and that will startle anyone when they're young.....and now when you saw anakin you are older, and more used to those kinds of things.

[Kryllith]

Originally posted by ET Warrior

And when Rambo jumped off of that cliff did he have to avoid other speeders and ships that were flying past him? And did he have to grab ahold of one particular speeder that was moving EXTREMELY fast? no, i didn't think so.........*sigh*

Of course, Rambo wasn't a jedi either.

 

Kryllith

[mez1109]

Anakin is NOT really a Jedi, the speeders dont really excist, its the movie making I think that needs improvemnt, Rambo was an example.

Still using normal film editing will do it.

[mez1109]

For example the old Star Wars had no use of computer graphics, anf george could not achieve everything he wanted, but it made no big difference.

When Luke looses his hand, normal special effects, when then Luke falls down that Shaft, no computer graphics. Do the same with Anakin, then add some cumpter generated speeders, not a computer generated Anakin.

Lucas rules, the director sucks, sorry if you don't like it, but if you look at other movies, which have a crap story line, but good directing make it. Star Wars used to have both, now it just has very good story line.

[MotionMan]

Is technology your enemy? Do you live in a shack with no electrical apliances? Your Amish right?

[Lime-Light]

I didnt really give a sh*t what happend to the characters in AoTC. I knew the key players would make it, so there was no reason to worry. Not once was I surprised about something in the movie. It carried you along, telling everything you needed to know, so you could concentrate on all the flashy sh*t instead of how paper-thin the writing and dialogue has become. Plus, whoever edited the movie needs to be hung upside down with thier mouth stapled closed and punched in the nose (think about it). I'm positive they had a good movie in all that crap, but anything pertinent was cut, so the kiddies wouldnt get bored and squirm too much. This movie and E1 were both aimed at the lowest common denominator, and it shows. The dialogue is simple, the story simpler, and chock full of cliches the kiddies are to young to get bothered by. Star Wars is an adult theme. George doesnt seem to realize that all the people who watched it originaly are grown now. They're smarter now, and I, for one, dont want to be breas-fed the story; I want to see it in the actors' faces, in thier tone of voice. Sadly, that is absent here.

 

When and if George turns this back into an adult movie, I will have respect for his abilities, but for now, I just see him as a senile old fool.

[mez1109]

Lime-Light you've seen the light my brother.

The childish pisstake make it a joke, is like saying Resident Evil with pink fluffy bunnies.

 

To you know who:

Yes, I hate technology, I dont even an electricity plug, my computer is built from wood, coka cola bottels and a hamster who run in a wheel turn the computer on. Instead of a phone line, I use pigeons to deliver my e-mail.

[osama]

lol

play nice now

anyways

if i was a little kid, i would be more squeamish about seeing darth maul cut in half with his arms flailing around and his legs going the other way as his torso, not a little blood

whoever said the the lightsaber singes the flesh, the lightsaber would singe the flesh where it TOUCHED, but cut off somebody's arm/hand, theres still a big hole in the middle of the wound

to the original poster

lucas markets these new movies because thats where the money is made these days, back in the 70s there was not as much stuff shoved down kids throats (nsync, mtv, and now star wars )

oh well

i still enjoyed the movies, and they could have been vastly improved, but you can always speculate about what something COULD be, and you can always improve things because nothing is perfect except me

:laughing: just kidding

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by Lime-Light

Star Wars is an adult theme. George doesnt seem to realize that all the people who watched it originaly are grown now. They're smarter now, and I, for one, dont want to be breas-fed the story; I want to see it in the actors' faces, in thier tone of voice. Sadly, that is absent here.

 

get a freaking clue! It was always meant to be a fantasy flick aimed more at the younger audiances. Yes alot of the people who watched the OT are grown now. So they expect oscar caliber performances, camera angles , perfect dialog,,ect blah blah blah.

Quit trying to be Roger Ebert(that guy should be hung with the SW movie reel ) If SW isnt up to your "grown up" standards, I recomend you go watch star trek from now on. That should be more up your alley.

-"we have a problem with the flux capasitator in sector 4"

-Let us walk around aimlessly through out the ship and talk boring technical dialog"

-"roger, captain"

"shall we fight the borg now, CAPT?"

-"NEGATIVE, we should talk about adult themes and stay away from actual action."

-Roger capt. " I will now go kill my self by jumping in a worm hole."

-"set a course for --lameness. WARP speed!"

 

Maybe thats more your preferance. Its more boring...er... I mean grown up right?

 

 

 

When and if George turns this back into an adult movie, I will have respect for his abilities, but for now, I just see him as a senile old fool.

 

Why dont you just reverse your aging process so you can watch it with the same enthusiam you once did when you were younger.

LOL!!! Lucas is going to change the whole idea that SW stands for cause its not "grown up" enough?

The OT is just as childis as the new movies. Remember ewoks? Remember the whole Jabba the hut gang? c3-po, r2, yoda??

Its the same. Stop trying to be like a movie critic and enjoy the damn movie.

Whose the fool him , or you? your the one still going to watch the movies.

[ET Warrior]

Lucas rules, the director sucks

 

You know what i find very interesting.....episode 4 was directed by George Lucas....episode 5 was directed by irvin kershner, and episode 6 was directed by richard marquand...3 completely different people....but it was the same person who directed episodes 1 and 2......wanna guess who it is? GEORGE LUCAS! Same person who directed the very first one....amazing.

 

 

And SO you're saying that Lucas rules WHILE he sucks? heh heh heh, maybe you should learn more about what you're saying before you say it, neh?

 

and you know, i had no problems with anakins fall through coruscant, i thought it looked very realistic, and i was impressed.

 

And as for you limelight......of COURSE you know what's goign to happen in these movies, EVERYONE knows what's going to happen, because we've seen the movies after this! It would be Like reading Return of the King (from the lord of the rings trilogy) first, then reading the other two...you know who's going to die and who will live....you know how everyone ends up, but they would still be good books, and why? Because it tells an interesting story. I care very much about Mace Windu, and Plo Koon, and Eeth Koth, and Saesee Tiin. Why? Because they're Jedi, i know they're gonna die, but i still like em!

 

What did you want Lucas to do? Have Obi-Wan Die so you could be surprised....well obiwan is dead now......but he'll be back later, and we have no idea why...

[Legacy_Of_Sith]

I enjoyed most of Episodes 1+2. The CG effects are excellent but a part of me misses the good ol' puppets and masks. Overall the CG's are better for portraying the Star Wars universe IMO. The new lightsaber battles are very entertaining and are filled with incredible stunts, a fast pace and atmospheric music. Dialogue wasn't the greatest but it wasn't too shabby either.

Regarding the issue of the Star Wars prequels being too kiddiesh, that is sort of a lukewarm spot. We must keep in mind that most of us saw the Star Wars series when we were very young. George probably wants to make a movie that'll appeal to all audiences.

A movie that will capture the imagination of little kids everywhere, like it did with us. Little Anakin's "Yipee!" and Jar-Jar's EP1 antics might irritate some, but that's more geared to entertain the little people.

The series still has plenty of depth and atmosphere for the older fans to apreciate too. I love seing Darth Sidious/Palpatine's plot for domination unfold (Palpatine has always been one of my fave's). The prequels are excellent at showing us what the Old Republic was like.

The only thing I really didn't like about Episode 2 was Jango Fett getting killed to quickly (he was facing a jedi though so I guess it's not to bad).

Ep2 was a great movie that really compensated for my slight dissapointment with episode 1. Overall, the new trilogy is great and lives up to the legacy that is Star Wars IMO.

EPisode 3 is shaping up to be an awseome movie.

[Jaster21801]

Dude, MotionMan's right... it was ALWAYS a saga geared towards all ages. Lucas is truly a genius in this act as he can market to everyone. Think about it, there's comic relief in all of the movies. 3P0 in the OT, 3P0 in the PT and Jar Jar in Ep 1. It hasn't changed, you've just grown more mature. The impact isn't the same as it was when you were younger. That's the problem. The worst Lucas put into ANH was "damn" and a little tiny bit of bloodshed that shouldn't have been there because a lightsaber is hot enough to cauterize the wound as it makes it. Therefore, an editing mistake. You see worse stuff on kids TV. Do you people NOT realize this? Cuz it's all there. You can see people getting shot and dying in cartoons. You hear words that just barely slide under the parents' radar. Star Wars has always been geared towards kids. They never show the actual torture sequences and the most you see happen is dismemberment. Hell, Obi-Wan gets cut in the arm and leg and the wounds are cauterized. Do you people want Star Wars to be purely action or do you want it to be a space opera the whole family can enjoy? I guess I don't understand why you people don't get the fact that you've grown up!! Live with it! Everyone grows up!

[Jedi_Monk]

Lucas is a master director; Episode II displayed some of the most amazing moments in cinema, from the wedding, to Palpatine survaying his army, to the Droid foundery and the opening skirmish of the Clone Wars, to the chase through Coruscant. Lucas had it all in his head and he captured it on film. For directing actors, he did better than most directors... most actors have things on set to motivate them, they have props to interract with, they have co-stars to play off of. In Episode II, the actors had a room painted green sometimes with a step in it, sometimes with a ping-pong-ball on a rope to represent their co-star. "George, what the heck am I supposed to do here?" they'd ask, and he would tell them, he would paint the picture for them, sometimes show them a rough animatic... and he got results. In every aspect of the art, Lucas excells.

 

He's the Leonardo of the cinematic artform, an inventer as well as a visionary.

[MotionMan]

Also remember that SW has always focused on MANY charecters at once. It is a very hard task to make each charecters personality grow on you. Each charecter needs a chance to grow on you, but it is very hard when there are so many. Also when there is a huge amount of stuff going on at the same time. We must always remember that the special effects are the main charecter of SW. Lucas revolutionized the movie industry back in the 1970's with what he acomplished with ANH.

We didnt care much about the charecters in ANH. If we could somehow remember the first times we saw the OT, I bet that luke,leia,han, chewie..ect grew on all of us from ANH to ROTJ.

I could remember when I saw ANH for the first time. I was like " Who is this whiney punk?". LOL but after you watch ESB and ROTJ then luke kind of grows on you and you see him mature into a Jedi(well a sort of a Jedi:) ).

[mez1109]

Motion Man, you right, the characters do not really grow on you, because there are too many.

 

For George, I like his stories, hate his directing and want to kick the producers ass.

 

At the end of the day George wants to make money, and nowdays children are a bunch of pus*ies. They need super powers or a weapon to kick someones ass. While when we were younger even Ghostbusters couldn't scare us at a age of 8 or 10, but my little cousin got scared watching Spiderman. He cant fight properly in school (like the other kids), and thinks if he says It's Morthyn Time, Power Rangers, he be stronger.

 

I watched He-Man when I was 8, but in a fight I just punched, kicked and tackled the guy, I did not say: "In The Power Of Grey Skull I Am He-Man", and then used my newly found powers to beat the sh*t out of people.

 

Also remember the old Star Wars even NOW, when I watched it again after several years does not feel crap.

It's the way the character shine out of the beutifull backgrounds, the amount of lifness in the background and the lighting.

They did not even have computer graphics those days, but just used camera tricks.

 

This gave life to Indiana Jones, that Harrison Ford, even though seen before as Han Solo, you thought he REALLY is Indy.

 

If the new movies are so good, how come there are MORE old movies available on DVD then new ones, and evryone buys them like mad, I had to wait to weeks for ROCKY as they all sold out.

 

Some movies still can please both adults & children, like MATRIX and THE MUMMY (Not Mummy 2).

 

George has to compare himself to those people, he has the good name, let him keep it. Even the Indy Infernal Mashine game was crap, how can the same guy who released Sam&Max, Indy, Day of the Tenticle do this?

[Swifty]

Originally posted by MotionMan

What? I really didnt get what you said. Ill try to answer the best I can:

There isnt really any "Bad" guys YET in the prequel-other than sidious and maybe Dooku(Maul too but he is dead,.....sniff:( )

The seperatists are not that bad. They just have different political views. Sidious is really making them do the more extreme bad things. In the OT , the whole empire is evil.

Just cause there isnt an excess of gore , your saying there isnt any evil in the prequels?? lol thats ridiculous.

 

Not bad chuckie, you almost got it. It's simple cause and effect, dude. Go bounce a ball, you might get it then (betcha it bounces back if you do it right). If the Bad guys aren't that bad, then the good guys don't need to be that good to overcome the evil. It all washes out in the prequels. Bland villians, bland heroes. Sure the Sith is evil. How do you know? Because George TOLD you in the prequels. Sure the Empire is evil. How do you know? George SHOWED you in the OT. If you didn't know Vader was Sith, and the OT didn't exist, the prequels so far couldn't stand on their own. Bland.

 

I also did not say that gore is necessary. However, it can serve as a vehicle to show suffering, which in turn makes the person inflicting it evil. Yes, lots of Rebel were killed on Tantive IV. We SAW it. We SAW it in Empire on Hoth. We even SAW Ewoks die. We SAW evil. No where in the prequels does this happen. The CG makes the two final (Gungan and Geonosian) battles epic, and yet very sterile. Bland.

 

Luke is battered and bruised in Empire's sabre duel. Anakin is thrown into a freaking wall by Dooku, and his clothes aren't even dirty. Bland.

 

If you can tell me that you even cared when Padme and Anakin admitted they loved each other going into the Geonosian arena, compared to Leia and Han in the Carbon Freeze, then you'll buy anything, my obtuse friend.

 

However, since you claim by your arguments that you know more, explain Star WARS versus Star POLITICAL INTRIGUE.

 

Now I'm only rude because you chose to be yourself. If you weren't so linear, you'd realize that criticism doesn't have to mean you don't like something completely. It means you're looking at an imperfect product. And the prequels are certainly flawed.

[MotionMan]

Obviously they are flawed in your eyes cause your living in the 70's and 80's man, let it go.

Its the same story. Its the same guy making the movies. Its SW. Just except it.

What did you expect? For the new movies to be exacly like the OT? Lucas used as much special effects as he possibly could for his time. If he had more technology at his diposal he would have used it. So what you see as sacred movie making that cant be tampered with, Its REALLY that george was limited to using what special effects were available at the time.

You should step outside your house take a breather, look around. You see cell phones, digital cameras, ect. We are in 2002 now. Wake up! George is making the SW universe look like he has always wanted it to look. He just didnt have the tools back then.

About the EVIL thing. Man , I cant beleive your so blind to this. . In the prequels there isnt the amount of "EVIL" your looking for because the empire is slowly forming into what it is going to become. The repiblic still rules for the most part. You wont see storm troopers killing inocent lives like ewoks just yet.

Sorry it wasnt the bloodfestathon you expected.

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by mez1109

If the new movies are so good, how come there are MORE old movies available on DVD then new ones, and evryone buys them like mad, I had to wait to weeks for ROCKY as they all sold out.

 

I wasnt debating that the old movies sucked. Im a big fan of the OT and of old flicks. I love old flicks. I dont think that all new movies are good. In fact most are not.

Anyway I was talking about SW new and old not about old flicks in general.