Darth Joka'ar Posted June 29, 2002 Share Posted June 29, 2002 Well let ,see your comment about this Duel. Master Mace Windu Originally from EU Mace was one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order. Only the most skilled of the Jedi could master the Form VII discipline of combat, for its aggressive nature treaded dangerously upon dark side practices. Darth Tyranus Originally posted by Shadow Angel In response to the above post, according to the Star Wars Episode II Visual Dictionary, Darth Tyranus (I hate calling him Dooku, it sounds like a kiddy word for crap) was a master of the lightsaber and taught many students lightsaber skills before he left the Order. He was skilled in the long-lost saber combat style of Form II, which was designed specifically for dueling and parrying another lightsaber, as opposed to the common Form VII, which was mostly for blocking blaster bolts. This also explains the bent saber handle. Still the contest is not only about Lightsaber skills, as well as the Force. Anyway,anybody do know anything about other Lightsaber Form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted June 29, 2002 Share Posted June 29, 2002 Although I think Mace is cool, I'm inclined to believe that in a straight duel, Tyranus would win. Just like you quoted me earlier, Tyranus is a master of Form II, and supposedly was the unofficial "lightsaber expert" of the Jedi Order. And other than the Episode II Visual Dictionary, I know nothing about Forms and such. They show diagrams of all sorts of stances and saber tactics in that book, though. I think those forms are based on the choreography teachings that Nick Gillard (the guy who teaches the actors to fence/swordfight) teaches. However, you can find out MUCH more about lightsabers and saber combat from a technical viewpoint here. http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres.htm The only problem with that site is that it hasn't been updated in a long time, and covers nothing about AOTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted June 29, 2002 Share Posted June 29, 2002 Mace would DEFINATLY win...there is no real question about it...only that Shadow Angel is kind of wrong in the description Maces skill. Obi-Wan's teaching is blaster-bolts-repelling. Maces skill goes to the point where he is WANTING a kill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted June 29, 2002 Share Posted June 29, 2002 ........ I'm wrong? Ah, well. I was just going by the book. That is, unless you have info from another source that contradicts that. You're right that Mace's skill IS way above Obi-Wan's. However, I don't see how Mace is WANTING a kill. That's just not the way of a Jedi (except Anakin.) In fact, that could be an advantage for Tyranus (a lust for victory, killing, whatever.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted June 29, 2002 Share Posted June 29, 2002 The way the Sith fight is going for a kill. Mace has been trained to go for the kill. He is no longer defending himself as much as attacking. He has been trained in the skills that are a bit above Tyranus'. In AOTC you can see that Anakin and Dooku have the same way of fightning. One completes the moves of the other. Basically one is like the reflection of another (you can check the movie heh), which means Anakin already reached Dooku's level of fencing. Mace...is a whole OTHER level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EffJi Posted June 29, 2002 Share Posted June 29, 2002 I think that Dooku would win. I mean he was smiling during his fight with Kenobi!"!!! ("surely you can do better"). Mace would do something stupid (like picking a fight with Tyranus in the first place) and get his saber-hand cut off. Tyranus IS fighting old school, not concentrating on deflecting blaster shots but fighting against a saber-weilding opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseP Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 I have to agree that Tyranus would win. It's be a good fight though... But Tyranus is too well trained and just too sinister to loose against Windu. Don't get me wrong, I think Mace Windu is a serious bad-@$$ for a Jedi, but I still think the character Tyranus is damn good and very competant. He was willing to take on Yoda for goodness sake,... that's got to speak volumes about his belief in his ability. He was also doing pretty well against the pint sized muppet... ****************** Off the topic a little is how cool I think the special effects were. Digitally mapping Christopher Lee's face on a stunt double for the saber scenes was fantastic Lee is now 80 years old after all... There is no way he could have done the scenes himself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Knows? Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 I think Tyranus would. After all didn't Tyranus train Windu like Qui-Gon did Obi-wan. This would lead me to believe Tyranus would have and upper hand in knowing Windu's saber style. Sure Windu would know what Tyranus taught him but He might not have been taught all of Tyranus's secrets in sabering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkum Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 I don't care what a book says. Windu whould own Tyranus. Plus I like what u saaid about saying Dooku, it sounds kiddy, I agree. He was smiling against Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan is a Jedi Knigh, not a Jedi Master like Mace Windu is. Personally I would like to see Yoda kill Tyranus. In the original script, Yoda was suposed to knock Tyranus to the ground, stand on his head, and stab him, but Lucas decided it would look wierd, so they cut the part out. The original script also caled for Tyranus to use 2 lightsabers against Yoda, picking up Anakin's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oninosensi Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 Mace could just simply out-cool Sidious. 'nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 a tie. hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 Originally posted by oninosensi Mace could just simply out-cool Sidious. I thought this was about Mace vs. Tyranus, not Sidious. Or was that a typo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda_623 Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Originally posted by Shadow Angel I thought this was about Mace vs. Tyranus, not Sidious. Or was that a typo? Its Tyrannus. But anyway Mace would win. No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shidobu Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Originally posted by JaseP I have to agree that Tyranus would win. He was willing to take on Yoda for goodness sake,... that's got to speak volumes about his belief in his ability. He was also doing pretty well against the pint sized muppet... True, but we have no reason to believe that skill with a lightsaber is directly proportional to skill with the Force. Yoda likely would not have trained with his saber as much as windu would have, because his stature puts him at a disadvantage from the start. Also remember, that Yoda is already very old by the time he engages in his fight with Dooku. Windu, on the other hand, is a Jedi Master in his prime. He would probably be a better duelist than Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Taco Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Tyrannus, ALL HAIL THE DARK LORD WHO WILL DIE IN THE NEXT MOVIE!!! I pick him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Uhh people...there is no debate at all...Mace would win...it's a fact, not a guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EffJi Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 What did we really see Mace do in the movie? We saw him killing some driods and a blaster armed Jango whos jetpack is malfunctioning. Anakin could do that!!!!! And he got his arm cut off!!!! We never know how much better yoda is than Mace. Yoda might come in first place. And then, after a big space, Mace. Just because the actor is cool doesn't mean the character is a good saber-fighter. On a side note: I don't think Samuel L Jackson is very convincing as a jedi. He has a "look at me I'm so cool" voice, while everyone else sounds calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandoFett1842 Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Mace was a good fighter! So is obi wan, yet he got a ass kicken from Dookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 I say Darth Tyranus. Why? He's fighting Form II, lightsaber vs. lightsaber. Form VII is designed for blaster fighting, not saber. Besides, since the Sith were supposely gone, barely anyone does saber vs saber. Fighting blasters are much different than saber attacking, because you also need to strike back too. Oh yeah, to the guy who said Anakin and Tyranus were fighting like each other, Anakin got taken out quickly with an arm to show. And fighting with 2 lightsabers will increase speed but lower down power, therefore you get knocked back easy. Plus Tyranus knocked Yoda away before Yoda stabbed him in the orignal....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oninosensi Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Posted by: Shadow Angel I thought this was about Mace vs. Tyranus, not Sidious. Or was that a typo? Sidious, Tyranus, Vader, Maul... any of them Sam's coolness factor cannot be defeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 the way i see it, yes tyranus is powerful and in his prime he would probably best the jedi master but according to the starwars books tyranus is over 400 years old, now the force does slow aging but the darkside speeds it up, i believe that while tyranus would take some time before he was killed mace would go shaft on his arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 From the Visual Dictionary: A Form VII instructor, Mace Windu is one of the best living lightsaber fighters in the Jedi order. Only high-level masters of multiple forms can acheive and control Form VII. This dangerous regimen cuts perilously close to the Sith focus on physical combat ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Talliusc according to the starwars books tyranus is over 400 years old, now the force does slow aging but the darkside speeds it up, Tyranus is 400 years old!?? Where does it say that!? I mean, I believe you, but I don't believe the source you got it from. I don't think humans can live that long, even in the Star Wars universe. I mean, Palpatine is 50 during Episode I, and Mace is between 30-40 years. And as for the Dark Side speeding up your aging process, that's not true. Although it DOES make you look older and uglier (compare Episode I and Episode II Palpatine) the hatred prolongs Palpatine's life (this can be confirmed in the Original Trilogy Visual Dictionary, like so many other things.) The Dark Side is also what keeps Vader alive. His suit only helps, but it's his dark will that sustains him. And oninosensi, although I don't consider myself a bad guy person, I think Tyranus (not by much), Vader, and especially Sidious are cooler than Mace (I don't like Darth Maul much, though, he's not much more than Sidious' grunt.) I think Mace is cool, too, but I just like the three mentioned Sith better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 mace would beat dooku. no contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Joka'ar Posted July 1, 2002 Author Share Posted July 1, 2002 Yo Shadow Angel, where do you get to read the Visual Dictionary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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