Shadow Angel Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Well, I don't have it, but I've heard multple times thatin the Episode I DVD, Lucas slips when he's commenting about Darth Sidious' first scene in TPM, in the hologram. He says that it's supposed to mirror his first appearance in TESB. If I remember clearly, that hologram transmission was the Emperor, which is confirmed to be Palpatine. (Unfortunately, they didn't have Ian McDiarmid play him, but some guy who looks like he's wearing goggles or something.) Anyway, this debate is OVER! UPDATE: "Darth Sidious takes over the Republic, turns it into an empire and controls everything" -- George Lucas, USA Today, May 20, 1999 "Ian [McDiarmid] is the Phantom Menace. He's not the Emperor yet in The Phantom Menace, but he is a Sith Lord. He's also Darth Sidious. That's Ian in the robe." -- Rick McCallum (he's the producer for the prequels) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 It was over long ago for most of us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Originally posted by Shadow Angel Anyway, this debate is OVER! "Unfortunalty, the debate is not over!" -Senator Organa There are still people out there who still think PAlpatine is a clone of Sidious, or visa versa. Personally, I know that they are the same. but some people.................need help.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted July 11, 2002 Author Share Posted July 11, 2002 Originally posted by Kyth'emos It was over long ago for most of us.... Yeah, I know. It was for me way back in May 1999. But I'm just sick of people who can't acknowledge that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Well they won't care about this evidence of yours if they still haven't accepted that they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Angel Posted July 11, 2002 Author Share Posted July 11, 2002 Note that I've updated the original post with quotes straight from the horse's mouth. (George Lucas and Rick McCallum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 "Personally, I know that they are the same. but some people.................need help...................." Their thoughts betray them, don't they, master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 wow!!! i didnt know that:rolleyes: :rolleyess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticSpade Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Only idiots would not know this there are many hints to it in Ep2 and hell he looks like him. And is played by the same dude. 4 me this debate was over 3 yrs ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrKASperov Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Dumb people DO exist in this galaxy people... That they wouldn't believe it was unavoidable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 I think people are expecting another GL plot twist like "No, I am your father", where everything is turned upside down...... We have been lead to believe that they are the same person, and there are many things that could happen in Episode 3 that still leave the continuity for the Original movies in tact, even if they aren't the same person... As for those that say GL and Rick McCallum have said things is trying to prove that they would expose the biggest plot point of the prequels IF they weren't the same person. MY personal opinion is that they are the same person, although Episode 2 bought in some doubts, i.e. cloning etc (which links into EU with the Emperor) - there are many plausible reasons and explanations that fit into the current seen events in Episodes 1 and 2 to give a Palpatine/Sidious as different people. All bets are off until 2005, and the final movie released - and some may say that GL had us all strung along for 25-30 years with one track of thought......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanch Saode Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 OMG!! Is Palpatine EVIL????? *geez* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfmanNCSU Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 It was over long ago for most of us.... Yeah, I know. It was for me way back in May 1999. But I'm just sick of people who can't acknowledge that. Yeah, it was over for me in the late 80's. I honestly thought that all the star wars fans knew this kinda stuff already. But I guess people wont stop asking until ep 3 is out and answers everything for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Oh that's bull They aren't the same person!!!! Of course I'm joking. I'm not an Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 fyi it wasnt a guy with goggles who played the emperor in esb, it was actually an old woman. i dont doubt that sidious and EMPEROR palpatine are the same but im not so sure that CHANCELLOR palpatine is that same as darth and emp. i know you dont agree but id rather be 50/50 wondering then outright wrong if GL does an "i am your father" twist in ep3. i mean he has let some hints out that they are NOT the same, for instance in "the NEW essential guide to characters" it gives sidious and chancellor palpatine different heights. some say that hes just slouching BUT THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE HEIGHT, you're just as tall standing up as sitting down! anyways maybe GL is pretending to have some special plot twist so that we anticipate it and get shocked when there isnt one.... either way hes a crafty old man and he'll think of something good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Perhaps they were joking or something....i can accept it if they ARE the same person its just that a lot of times makers of things say lies to throw of the fans so when their thing comes out the fans are surprised! i supposed i just dont easily trust people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JangoFett41 Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I agree with all you previous posters. As soon as I saw Palpatine in TPM I knew it was the emporer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Doo Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Well, i guess you knew that Vader was Lukes father as once you saw him too. The Palpy-Sidious connection is just too obvious to be true. And people do not change heigths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twins of Doom Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 how long did it take you to decide that sidious and palpatine were the same, i figured that out the first time i watched Episode I...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Originally posted by Obi-Doo Well, i guess you knew that Vader was Lukes father as once you saw him too. The Palpy-Sidious connection is just too obvious to be true. And people do not change heigths. It is possible to get shorter as you age, especially with the force involved, but even in real life people get shorter as they age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 i suppose thats possible but i doubt that is the case. it doesnt really matter though, people will argue this until 2005 when somebody gets proved wrong, and people who flame you for having an opinion are just too stupid to pose an actual arguement so dont let pointless insult posts get to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_Walker Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 But it would make sense for Palpatine and Sidious to be the same person, that way he can control the Clone Wars. As the Channcellor Palpatine he controlls the Republic and the Clone Army. As Darth Sidious, he has control over Count Dooku and Dooku has control over the Confederacy. He might join those two forces together to create the Empire after he declairs himself Emperor. He controls both sides and with that the Empire might come. And remember the way he talked to Anakin when he told him in time he will trust his feelings and that will make him invincable. He sounded like a master of the Force when he said that. One more thing from ep2, Anakin said in the same scene it was all from Palpatine's guildence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandoFett1842 Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Dur!! Doesnt take a geinus to figure out that they are the same!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Originally posted by JandoFett1842 Dur!! Doesnt take a geinus to figure out that they are the same!! yes, now SPY should close the thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 im not saying that i think palpatine and sidous HAVE to be different, im just leaving my decision unmade, it could go either way, i mean if they WERE the same then why would GL try and hide it sometimes? and if they arent then explaining will be a b%$#@ in ep3. well we shall all see in 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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