Breton Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by Pada-Wan I was thinking bout this but in the SW movies hate is used even by good jedi. dont jedi have to control their emotions? Luke was going mad at the end of ROTJ Obi-Wan seemed to sorta lose it at the end of the PM againt maul Vadar was right, only Luke's hatered could destory Vadar. The only jedis that fought under controlled emotion were obi-wan in epi 2, qui-gon in ep 1, obi-wan in ep 4, luke in ep 5, and guess what.....ALL of them were losers/died when they had their emotions under control. So what do yall think? ps.forgot yoda in epi 2 :-\ well yoda is in a class by himself! and mace windu wasnt really fighting anyone in a duel. Obi-Wan in ep2 lost, but he was fighting a superior and much more trained opponent. Qui-Gon in ep1 fought controlled and therefore owned Maul until the hiltsmashing. Obi-Wan in ep4 did not lose, but comitted suicide. Luke in ep5 was far from a Jedi, he was still just a moisture farmer with a lightsaber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00M-187 Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Sometimes when i get really mad in duals or ffa, I pretend (Dont laugh) I use my anger to my advantage, and then I whoop some ass, Its cool, i can feel the darkside, (again dont laugh) lol Wait a minute.... Star wars isnt real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsurfer Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 The two examples given were of two jedi padawans. Luke started to give in to his anger that's why he stopped when he cut off Vader's hand as he realised what he had done so refused to fight any longer. Obi-Wan wanted revenge for Qui-Gon's death so went in with anger and ended up nearly losing. It was only when he clamed himself that he was able to defeat Maul. Another example of this is Anakin fighting Dooku - he rushes in impatient and not calmed and he ends up losing his arm even though he is the chosen one so should be able to kick Dooku's ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by 00M-187 Sometimes when i get really mad in duals or ffa, I pretend (Dont laugh) I use my anger to my advantage, and then I whoop some ass, Its cool, i can feel the darkside, (again dont laugh) lol Wait a minute.... Star wars isnt real? lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by 00M-187 Sometimes when i get really mad in duals or ffa, I pretend (Dont laugh) I use my anger to my advantage, and then I whoop some ass, Its cool, i can feel the darkside, (again dont laugh) lol Wait a minute.... Star wars isnt real? im sorry buit there really isnt a way of NOT laughing remember: im laughing with you and not at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Starblazer Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 I believe that hate, and anger, and all other emotions can be controlled. And if they can be controlled, then they can be used. So far you don't really see anyone controlling their anger, you see more of it controlling them. Jedi's don't control their emotions, they push them back, lock them away. Sith, give in to hate and anger, and let it fuel them. See, none of them really control(in the truest sense of the word) their emotions, they either get rid of them, or let them run rampant. Luke, when fighting Vader, gave in to his anger, and became more powerful. But did you see him fight? No finesse, no stragety, just pure, unbridled hate. Eventually he realised his folly(I bet that if the Emporer didn't say anything, Luke would of killed Vader and gone to the Dark Side), and returned to the Light Side. Being a Jedi is like walking a tightrope, one false move... In summary, anger makes you strong, but calmness, makes you think better. You wait patiently for an opening, instead of swinging like crazy trying to make one, and leaving yourself open. And I agree with Lexx as well. I'm a Olympic style wrestler, and as such, emotions do play a part. Some people like to get ready by "syching" themselves up. I, however, prefer to calmly walk out onto the mat. Staying calm gives me a clear head, lets me see takedowns, escapes, counters, things I probably wouldn't see if I was angry. That's not to say I don't get angry though. If someone hits me across the face(it happens, trust me), or the like, I get very p'd off, very quickly. Very often, that person will find themselves in a world of pain shortly afterwords(I don't normally like to do those moves, but, meh, fight fire with fire). Getting angry makes me stronger( thank you adrenaline:D), but it also makes me careless, which is normally why I try to calm down after that extra strength isn't needed. This is pretty much what I was saying above, except this relates to the real world, not the Star Wars universe. Just my two credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Ive been thinking about this sence I was 8... dont crush it completely... Okay... Im a E4-NH Obi-Wan pulls up his saber and lets Vader strick him down... Why??? He could have easily jumped threw the door and smashed the switch as he goes threw and ran off with luke and them... but he choose to stay and die... I believe he knew something... something like if he killed vader... eventually luke would have killed him and been the only Jedi left... We know Obi sent Luke to Yoda... So... maybe Obi Knew kill vader and die by luke or die by vader and let luke choose the light or the dark side... Its all in theory of course and please dont flame me to death over this one... :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 obi wan let himself die so that he could give luke advice in death, the whole idea of jedi disappearing and helping beyond death is special, notice that qui gon didnt do it, BUT he did yell at anakin in the tattooine scene in ep2 "no, anakin NOOOOO!" this is very significant because it deals with more prophecy and the people on starwars.com (the official people not just the fans) have told us that this will be explained in ep3. just a theory of mine but, if anakin was bringing balance to the force (him and sid, obiwan and yoda 2v2) and obi wan knew this, he wanted luke to be a jedi but that would upset the balance, one of the jedi had to die for luke to become one, and obiwan knew that yoda was a better teacher then him (look how bad he messed anakin up) so he let himself get struck down. just that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by Reb_Starblazer And I agree with Lexx as well. I'm a Olympic style wrestler, and as such, emotions do play a part. wow! will you be in Manchester in a month or twos time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 In all the times I used anger in a fight, I noticed two things........ Power and fanatical will.............. With power you get to deal more powerful blows and more...... With fanatical will, you won't care about most stuff, like pain, so you mostly ignore it and put all into your task, in this case, kicking ass......... Of course I still prefer the calm mind, but there's times when it comes handy. (Helps if you plan ahead, then you use anger, but that's too risky......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Talliusc obi wan let himself die so that he could give luke advice in death, the whole idea of jedi disappearing and helping beyond death is special, notice that qui gon didnt do it, BUT he did yell at anakin in the tattooine scene in ep2 "no, anakin NOOOOO!" this is very significant because it deals with more prophecy and the people on starwars.com (the official people not just the fans) have told us that this will be explained in ep3. just a theory of mine but, if anakin was bringing balance to the force (him and sid, obiwan and yoda 2v2) and obi wan knew this, he wanted luke to be a jedi but that would upset the balance, one of the jedi had to die for luke to become one, and obiwan knew that yoda was a better teacher then him (look how bad he messed anakin up) so he let himself get struck down. just that simple. I would like to see Qui-Gon ghost in ep3. That would be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthbong Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 I agree with what lexx said about not being able to fight well when angry, I took Kung-Fu for 3 yeard and Karate for 2, and they always tought us the only way to win a fight was with a calm level head, NEVER to allow yourself to fight angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pada-Wan Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 Qui-Gon in ep1 fought controlled and therefore owned Maul until the hiltsmashing. Not really. Maul seemed to do most of the attacking against Qui-Gon throughout. Qui-Gon was mostly on the defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharaFett Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 what do you mean "olympic style" wrestler? greco-roman? and for the record, luke DID tap into the dark side when fighting vader. he's a rarity because he went to the dark side and back. however, you cannot compare hand-to-hand combat in real life with the force. the dark side is a spiritual energy nontheless, thus both a sith and a jedi are focused when they fight- however they use their energies from opposite spectrums of the force. you guys are looking at the force from a 1-dimensional perspective, as merely an emotional state. a sith is not "out of control", he is actually very "in control" when he fights. otherwisse it would be a piece of cake to kill a sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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