Do you think getting rid of Guns will make you safe?

[<osr>beta_sigma]

we live in a dangerous world. outlawing guns is retarded.

 

"All these post of keeping guns and let everyone kill eachother in a gigantic bloodbath supports my theory that most people in the world are really stupid."

 

 

it would be stupider to remove a right that is in place in order to allow the people to rise up and overthrow a corrupt/unjust/unfunctioning (sound familiar?) government. our forefathers realized that the people needed to to be able to assemble a militia if needed, and being armed is part of that process.

 

 

however, it's too bad that the few spoil it for the many, and that

people see the results of other people's poor judgement and decide ,in their short term view, that its good to reduce the rights that we have.

 

the other unfortunate thing is that people in america are not more responsible about their rights and responsibilities concerning our government. our own apathy allows our exploitation.

 

in short, america as a whole needs to grow up.

 

btw....ive been to europe several times, and guess what......

people are people no matter where you live. murder exists and has existed prolly since time began independantly of projectile weapons. guns just make murder quicker and easier.

 

the problem is with our societal views, not with our handguns.

[Poll Cat]

Here's some food for thought u guys.

Who is Responsible? What is Responsible?

Do guns kill people, or do people kill people?

You could kill someone with a rock but they aren't illegal.

It's the sick people that use them for wrongdoing. If guns are taken away then there will be a race to arms and criminals will commit crimes to get guns. I would much rather live in a country that supports a persons right to possess a means with which to defend themselves in any circumstance, than to live in a country where defending ourselves is considered a crime. And Hey!, u guys in Europe, go easy on the U.S. That's all you guys do is insult the U.S. and our foreign and self policies. I think that is a definite showing of an inferiority complex. We don't bitch about how the French or Norwegians run their governments. Tell me this! Why do so many people immigrate to the USA from ur countries? Think hard now. I would rather be shot in my head than to live in a country where you have to rely on the GOV.

to protect u. It's sad that there is so much hate in this world, and maybe sometime in the future, we won't need guns anymore, but for now, we do, and peace is more than a rocks throw away. When Jesus comes back on judgment, that will be the day we put down our arms, and we will all be united in him.

Anyways thats my 2 cents.

Nice posting whoever made it.

[ToppDog]

Originally posted by Jah Warrior

I got one more thing to say:-

 

The whole concept of taking another Human life is utterly disgusting, I'd rather die than live with the burden of having ended someones life.

 

It's sick i tell you SICK!!!

 

OH MY GOD!!! LOL!!!

 

I swear, between you & Qui Gon I haven't been able to stop laughing!!!

 

Lemme get this straight, the thought of taking anothers life in self defense disgusts you SO MUCH that you are willing to actually be killed rather than save yourself....yet you have no problem playing a game that graphically depicts the death, mutulation, & dismemberment of humans/humanoids for your entertainment purposes.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Maybe you should give up this game for one where you walk around planting daisies. Then you could make a mod where you get to water them. Just don't program in weeds 'cause we can't hurt da wittle weeds now can we. That would be DISGUSTING!!!

[Clem]

hmmmmm ...... shut up ... go away .... get a life .... shut up ... and go away

[Jedi Legend]

Originally posted by Jah Warrior

I got one more thing to say:-

 

The whole concept of taking another Human life is utterly disgusting, I'd rather die than live with the burden of having ended someones life.

 

It's sick i tell you SICK!!!

 

I can understand that. But would you rather kill someone or have your spouse murdered/raped?

 

Whether you want to kill or not there will be people out there willing to kill you. Everyone in this thread who thinks gun crimes are horrible are the people who should own guns. If more law abiding citizens owned guns it would be a safer place. Take Switzerland for example. I read that every male in that country is issued an automatic rifle. There crime rate is lower than in the US and I'm talking percentage. It is also at least as low as it is in the UK.

 

A gun is a tool. Like a power saw. You could destroy someones life with a power saw.

 

Gun registration has nothing to do with stopping criminals from getting guns. An instant background check is all that is necessary for this. Nazi Germany had registration. This was convient when they were able to take guns from Jews they knew owned them because of registration. Nazi Germany did not invade Switzerland. Do you want to know why? Fear of guns.

 

Waiting periods do not stop crime. They prevented people during the riot in LA (when that guy was beat by a cop) from protecting their homes. They tried to get guns during this riot but they had to wait 15 days.

 

Many crimes are stopped simply by holding a criminal at gun point. The NRA magizine has a section called "Armed Citizen" with stories of people protecting their lives and property. You should read this if you have to opportunity.

 

Anybody who says "That's not what they meant" when they talk about the ratification of the 2nd amendment are wrong. The Second Amendment is there to allow citizens to protect themselves from attacks from without and within as well as from the government.

 

Criminals will carry concealed weapons so why should law abiding citizens not be able to?

 

You can't run from a knife attacker if they grab you and put the knife to your throat. Of course a gun would be useless in this situation as well. My point is, knives are dangerous too.

 

When someone shatters your window and comes in, you should have to right to protect your life, family, property, and dignity. You should not be forced to retreat within your own home. The police will not be able to respond quick enough.

 

A huge reason for gun crimes in the US is the parole system. It teaches people that it is okay to commit a crime. After all, they can plea bargin there way out. And then criminals only serve and average of a third of their sentences. They then obtain guns illegally.

 

I got to shoot a gun recently. I didn't harm any creature. It's called target practice and it's quite fun as a sport.

 

I may have neglected to mention some things because I'm tired. But you should all read Guns, Crime, and Freedom. It is a calm book that uses facts to support guns. I challenge you all to read it and to see if you still hate guns.

[Jedi Legend]

Oh and one more thing...

 

Criminals need to be held responsible... not guns! This is the problem I have with liberals who even blame the victim for some crimes.

 

Oh and I'd rather some criminal bastard die than myself. I don't see why someone would sacrifice their life to save a scumbag.

[munik]

Criminals are held responsible for breaking the laws regarding firearms. Most violations involving illegal firearms are felonies. Most violations regarding the illegal use of legal firearms are felonies.

 

 

There are already very strict regulations on firearms, and very serious penalties for violationg them. Why would you want to ban them entirely? That wouldn't prevent the illegal activities involving firearms. BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE ILLEGAL RIGHT NOW! If you ban all firearms, the crimes involving illegal weapons that happened before the ban, will still happen. They were illegal before, they are illegal after. A ban will not change anything.

 

 

 

And Clem, that was a half assed shot at you and a half assed attempt at proving a point. Point being that men fight, men drinking get fired up at a moments notice, and sometimes men go to bars for the sole purpose of looking for trouble. Maybe where you live now it's not like that in the pubs that you frequent, but you can't honestly say that you've never been to a pub that felt like trouble. Well, in this country that trouble may be packing heat, and that's something you have to accept. So if you if you're still mad at me for that quick jab, at a request I'll sing you the "Sorry Song". And then I'll shoot you in the ass. But you have to come here, because I'll get arrested for bringing the guns to you

[munik]

Also, to put a nail in the coffin here, firearms will never be banned in America. You have to understand the whole political system. Firearms generate alot of revenue. Alot of people are for firearms, alot of people are against firearms. As a politician, which side to you choose? And by changing the status quo, will you ever get elected again?

 

The country as a whole will never be decided on this issue. It will take all the people in congress passing a bill, and the president not veto'ing it to make a gun ban happen. And that is one huge task.

 

To put it in simpler terms, play on a ffa server with 20 people in it. Now call a vote to kick the score leader because he's assfighting. Will the vote work? Never, because most people won't even vote on it, and the few who do will be divided between yes and no. It would take an admin to kick him. And what happens when an admin kicks him? The people who think assfighting is O.K. will be upset, and leave. And even if that's 1/4 of the server, it's still a big chunk. Now apply that same logic to firearms and the US. That's a big decision, not a risk a 60 year old politician is willing to take, not when he has a re-election for his last term and his 60-80k year salary at stake. Especially when whatever the decision is, it isn't gonna effect him, because he's gonna be dead in a decade or two.

 

This is the logic of reality, and it's damn hard to change the way things are. Even if you are right, and the way things are is wrong.

 

Anyways, I found a link to educate those who might not be from the States. This is the faq page for the A.T.F.. They are the Nazi's of the U.S.A. While that link deals with the F part of the acronym, you can look around their site concerning the A and the T (Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms for those who don't know). Scum of the earth if you ask me. But banning firearms would screw them, a Department of the Treasury, and thousands of people would lose jobs, and millions in revenue would dissapear. Similiar to the D.E.A., and why drugs will never be legal in the US. Because of lost revenue, and loss of jobs.

[Kurgan]

Call me cynical, but taking away guns won't make me feel safe... even if I knew that no criminal would ever have a gun.

 

That's the main best argument against all-out banning of firearms, is that the police and military still need guns, so guns still exist, so people can smuggle them or steal them, and boom... criminals and still have guns to commit crimes with. Rich people can get guns too, they hire people to protect them, or bribe somebody to get guns. So in the end, a few poor or honest people won't have guns, and that's it. So it's a crappy solution, even if it looks good on paper (banning all firearm ownership of people to reduce crime).

 

Heck, maybe I'm lucky, but where I live, I'm far more likely to die in a car accident than being shot by some hoodlum or get caught in the crossfire of a gun battle between police and gang members.

 

In the US, there are tons of laws on the books, enforced by police all over. You need a liscense and registration to drive, you can't drive drunk, you can lose your liscense and get expensive tickets for bad driving. There are speed limits and all sorts of stuff like that, yet hundreds, thousands of people die every year from accidents.

 

Cars aren't "intended" to kill like guns are you can say, sure, but then cars are used to commit crimes as well. To say nothing of the fabled "getaway car" you see used on those cop shows in high speed chases, but just the other day I was watching a report on TV about how this lady allegedly ran over her husband and killed him when she caught him with another woman. Cars and other motor vehicles are more expensive, but they're probably easier to get than guns, and they cause more deaths and disabling injuries than guns could ever hope to, statistically.

 

And as others pointed out, guns aren't just for killing. If you're a good shot, you can wound an attacker, or hold them at bay long enough for the police to arrive and protect yourself from death/rape/robbery, etc. Self defense benefits alone should be justification enough for lawful gun ownership, I say. The police and military use guns to kill (lawfully) and citizens should be able to kill lawfully if they need to when attacked by armed criminals. But that's all part of the risk of attacking responsible gun owners... if that could deter a few crimes and save a few lives, I'm all for that too.

 

Having liscensing rules and safety training for gun use is a good idea. People who shoot themselves in the foot or let their kids get killed by accident from a gun lying around the house obviously are a symptom of the problem of irresponsible use. But again, you'll still have people who are careless or borderline and people will still get hurt. With proper training, you can reduce those accidental deaths or injuries, just like with responsible car ownership/use.

 

And if I can't pack a gun to make myself feel safe in some area where there is high crime, maybe I'll carry a nice broadsword, at least it would give me some piece of mind... ; )

[Breton]

The lehilasation of guns kind of encourage people to use them (in other words shoot and kill)

 

 

Nazi Germany did not invade Switzerland. Do you want to know why? Fear of guns.

 

No, they didn't invade switzerland because Switzerland was neutral.

 

 

I must agree with jah warrior, killing someone is disgusting, even if it's a criminal.

[Jedi Legend]

No, they didn't invade switzerland because Switzerland was neutral.

 

Wait... so Hitler, who wanted to have control over Europe, didn't want to take over a neutral country? It's not like Hitler cared if he was at war with a country before taking it over.

 

<Nazi General> Hitler, our troops are ready to invade Switzerland.

<Hitler> No! They are neutral, we have to respect that.

 

Only bad people want to kill, but sometimes a good person is forced to kill. I think it is sad that you would allow yourself to become a victim because you can't kill someone. Besides, it's like I said... what happens when that criminal who broke into your house sees the opportunity to rape your wife. Assuming you either are married now or will be in the future (this is a hypothetical situation, after all) would you rather watch your wife be raped and murdered or would you rather shoot the bastard who is doing it? This is a situation that could happen, has happened, and will happen but probably not to you.

 

Forced safety classes? What about for other dangerous tools? The government of the US does not currently have the right to do that but they do anyways. Why should a responsible, safe, gun owner be punished because a moron shoots himself in the foot? If a kid gets a gun and shoots someone both the kid and the parent need to be prosecuted. If violent crimes had stricter punishments there would be less crime.

[razorace]

Wasn't Austria neutral when the Nazis invaded? Heck, I doubt Poland did anything ether.

[razorace]

Switzerland probably wasn't attacked due to too much foreign interests in their banks. Quickest way to piss off other countries mess with their money, their land, or their oil.