SnailFace Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Snailface is getting worried that people do not like his random threads. The last thing I want to do is upset people, maybe Yoda's swamp is not off-topic enough for my randomness, and if so, I'm sorry. I just trying to bring s smile to some peeps face's who may be amused by odd things. Anyway, partly to prove I can be serious, but also becasue I'm very curious, I'm writting a straight copy of a thread I wrote in jedi-outcast.com forums, but putting it here in order to get your guys opinions too. so here it is: OK, a while ago I was wondering about the fact that in Episode 1 something along this line is said "You refer to the prophecy of the one who will balance to the force... you believe it's this... boy?" I think it was Mace Windu, but sorry if I'm wrong. Anyway, I though, hold on it was LUKE who brought the balance, not Anakin. Then I figured along these line: Actually Darth Vader killed the Emperor because he was killing Luke, so there fore it IS actually Anakin who eventually brings balance to the force as he killed destroyed the dark side, regardless of what he did before (i.e. kill loads of Jedi, I assume he does that in Ep3 anyway) Then I figured, well the prophecy says 'balance' not 'no dark side' so maybe it isn't sorted cos Luke is now a Jedi so there is one Jedi and no Sith, which is not balance. However, I'm sure there must be some Sith in existence for the other 3 books after that were planned (I not know much about that though) I guess another master and Padawan, to equal Luke and Leia. Anyway, without telling me what happens in Episode 3 (please!) do any of you far more knowledgeable in the matters of Star Wars agree with my comments on how Anakin brings balance? Or am I so wrong it hurts? (btw, if you wanna read what others have already said go here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Anakin killed the apprentace and the master, therefore he is the one bringing the balance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-[MotU]-Lyger|=- Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 i thought the one who would bring ballenc is luke, cause without luke anakin wouldnt have turned away from the dark side to kill the emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Thank you for sharing that with us.....no..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-[MotU]-Lyger|=- Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 why not? cause seriously with out luke, vader wouldnt have killed the emperor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 True, but it counts who did it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailFace Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 Anakin killed the apprentace and the master, therefore he is the one bringing the balance... I don't quite follow you there. Who do you mean by the apprentace and the master? Vader and Palpatine? In that case you agree with me? If so, yeay! (hehe) but lots of peeps have differnt ideas about other siths around at time etc. but most of that seems to be EU, so it not really count. However, I guess there must have been some sith around for the following 3 films to work, unless they are from later on and so its actually someone luke trains that then turns norty (or even luke, but that would kinda ruin it in my opinion). But I not klnow much about what 7,8,9 are about, not sure if anyway really does. Thanks for input thoguh! Yeay! I'm beign sensible! (calm down now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-[MotU]-Lyger|=- Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 blah! good point... quit controdicting my posts damnit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by SnailFace Anakin killed the apprentace and the master, therefore he is the one bringing the balance... I don't quite follow you there. Who do you mean by the apprentace and the master? Vader and Palpatine? In that case you agree with me? If so, yeay! (hehe) but lots of peeps have differnt ideas about other siths around at time etc. but most of that seems to be EU, so it not really count. However, I guess there must have been some sith around for the following 3 films to work, unless they are from later on and so its actually someone luke trains that then turns norty (or even luke, but that would kinda ruin it in my opinion). But I not klnow much about what 7,8,9 are about, not sure if anyway really does. Thanks for input thoguh! Yeay! I'm beign sensible! (calm down now) Vader killed himself by becoming a grip faggit and throwing Palpy down that shaft..... Therefore he killed the master and the apprentace, and he is the one who brings balance to the force... And you don't know how to act like a loony no matter how hard you try... Why do I trouble posting this?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailFace Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 Vader killed himself by becoming a grip faggit lol! However I don't undertand what you mean here: And you don't know how to act like a loony no matter how hard you try... I'm guess its an insolt, but I don't get it. Maybe thats an insult in its slef. hmm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by SnailFace I'm guess its an insolt, but I don't get it. Maybe thats an insult in its slef. hmm.. You just proved my point by focusing half of your post on that sentence..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailFace Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by =SSC=Kal-El You just proved my point by focusing half of your post on that sentence..... Umm.... ok, I'm confused, but as long as I'm proving your point, i guess thats good, as its sure to make you happy! Anyway back to the point, anyone else got any others ideas? there was lots o talk in jedi outcast, could be good to read that before posting maybe, I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 There are no any other ideas, can't beat the facts at hand..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailFace Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 There are no any other ideas, can't beat the facts at hand..... There ARE other ideas!!!!! Go to the link I wrote at the start of the thread. Most of them are very Valid points. It all depends how you look at it, and what you count as valid info. Don't be norty and just assume the way you look at it must be right, Star Wars is all very debatably, so many little things left open, thats half of the fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Sonny boy, I was running debates on this for about 5 months now... I think I KNOW..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<>Phant0m<> Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Heres another idea to make your head spin.... The word balence.. When i think of that word i think equal on each side, but when you put it in the starwars story it doesnt really match as there is no sith left so balence isnt acheived. What does make sense is if the prophecy is a sith prophecy. Think about it, anakin brings Balence to the force by balencing the amount of force users (eg Jedi, Sith) now they are both equal... Balence is acheived. This is my own idea, i dont know if its close or not but its one to make you think p.s. Dont worry about Kal, hes a robot with no feelings, that sees an error in the post and replys automatically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Alas, I don't think "balance" is equalizing sith vs jedi. Balance in the eye of the Jedi is NO sith and ALL jedi. Vice versa in the eyes of the sith. If you regard the force as "nature", and some evil, corrupting power comes and begins to ruin nature (dark side) - then the sith shouldn't be regarded as the opposite of the "good force". By the word "balance", the jedi refer to the force being "at ease" and not plagued by the destructive dark side.. Anakin brought balance by killing the remaining sith, including himself. But that's just my theory. Kal-El, the energy you spend on debating your own arguments is like footprints in moving sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailFace Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 Originally posted by =SSC=Kal-El Sonny boy, I was running debates on this for about 5 months now... I think I KNOW..... Well in that case, we both agree. As if you were running debate for a whole 5 months there must have been a hell of alot of different opinions otherwise it would have lasted 2 mins, not 5 months, and thats what I'm saysing, there are different opinions. <>Phant0m<> I've never thought of it as a Sith prophecy as it is a Jedi who talks about it, however, that by no means that it is NOT a Sith prophecy, a very interesting concept. maybe could lead onto more too, I'll have to consider, thanks! cjais, your theory seems to be the one I follow (at least currently), I love your nature anaysis though! very good way of putting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Actually, I find it amusing to read Kal-el's debates. They are usually funny to me. anywho, I can see how Lyger said Luke was the one to bring balance, because the everyone believed that Anakin would bring balance to the force, and he brought Luke here I wish Anakin would have lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Groovy baby, yeah..... Besides, the ending conclusion of the debate was what I said..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 anakin was trained to be a sith, bringing their number to TWO. he then proceeded to kill off the jedi until there were only (guess how many? oh come on guess!) TWO. thereby bringing balance, and if that wasnt enough as soon as luke started to become a jedi anakin removed one of the OTHER 2. keeping the magical number at 2. then shortly after yoda died anakin took out the second last sith, making it 1 and 1. then he died, that upset the balance. but hey, hes only supposed to bring balance not keep it =P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 well put it liek this, if it wasn't for anakin there would be no luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 It seems to me that many misunderstands what balance in the force really means. Balance in the force is not that it will be an equal number of jedis ands siths. This is because jedis use the force, siths misuses it. Therefore, all dark side creates unstability and unbalance in the force. Bringing the force into balance must mean to get rid of all that creates misbalance in the force, in other words the dark side and the sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 ^^^^^^^ Word. So true, and you said it more clearer than meself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 JM, an interesting theory. but im afraid thats ALL it is. to light jedi what you say is the truth, but to dark jedi it is not, and to people without the force its confusing. sorry but you cannot propose to KNOW what it means, i admit that i do not know either, the only person that does is GL. but its also possible that he meant it both ways. who knows. thank you for giving me somethign to think about,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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