lukeiamyourdad Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Man would you just stop a little bit? Like I said, it's good how it is! If you so want the trade fed and the confed to be together allie yourself with one. If you're not happy, then tell that to LucasArts and stop annoying everyone with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0RF Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 NATO is not a civilization unto itself. Your example still sucks. Stop being Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Windu, NATO revovles around the pre-emptive strike policy, in which its members wouldnt go to war unless the soviets attacked first, then all actions would be directed by NATO until the attack subsides. The armies stay as separate entities directed under one command. No intergration. Howvever, the Confeds arent bound by the preemptive strike. They are a permanent body of factions capable of pulling off an offensive as wel as a defensive. And their armies are intergrated into one big army. The trade feds and the confeds have a preemptive strike policy in which, if one is attacked, the other would come and help. Dooku was trying to woo the trade feds into a permentant allaince when the republic attacked this wouldn't affect realism at all, yet it would increase realism. Umm... this makes sense how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simwiz2 Posted August 30, 2002 Share Posted August 30, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Windu this wouldn't affect realism at all, yet it would increase realism. LoL, nice one Windu! I am going to assume you meant it wouldn't affect gameplay at all, but would increase realism. You are wrong on both points. It has already been posted by others why it would not increase realism, and I am not going to waste the time to repeat it. Also, it would negatively impact the game by decreasing the diversity of the civs. You don't seem to understand that the game is more fun with different civs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Keep the civs different, it makes it entertaining. However if you were to combine them Then lets see what we woould end up with. Naboo and Gungan allied so join them and you get 1 civ. TF and Confed allied combine thme and you get 1 civ. Wookies and Rebels Empire and Repbulic. That was said we now are down to 4 civs but we can do better: The Naboo/Gungan civ is also part of the republic so combine them. Then we have 3 civs. But lets keep going. Now Palpatine was the leader of the Republic/Empire/Naboo/Gungan civ, however he also lead the Confed/TF civ through Dooku. Which means they were working to the same cause (creating the Empire) even if they didn't know it. So you then combine them under the Idea, that they share the same leader so should be the same civ. Now we are down to: Republic/Empire/Naboo/Gungan/Confed/TF And the Rebels/Wookies We aren't done yet. Wookies were slave labor for the Empire so you then can combine them. Wait there is more, the Rebel Alliance is made up of people from the Rebulic, Empire, Wookies, ect. So you then can Combine them. So what do we have. Republic/Empire/Naboo/Gungan/Confed/TF/Rebel/Wookie civ. SWGB is now extermly simple, players no longer need to pic a civ, since there is only 1, and it is a Super Civ but that doesn't really matter since there are no other civs to pick from. Boy that sounds like a fun game doesn't it. (the above was a joke, don't take it serious. The following is serious) Windu if you were to add units to different civs then besides the civs losing their uniqueness you would have to go beyond the TF and Confeds. THe Rebel Alliance was made up of people from the Wookies and Empire, so under your idea to add realism to SWGB then the Rebels would have to have wookie units and Imperial units. Not to mention Calamari, Sullustains ect. The Naboo doesn't even have a true military, so they should really have mainly gungans, and Gungans should have some Naboo units. That is stupid and the civs would lose any appearance of being seperate and unique. Also look at the responses I didn't see one supporting your idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted September 2, 2002 Author Share Posted September 2, 2002 NATO - an organisation of nations to fight together against an opponent (Warsaw Pact) Confederacy - an organisation of civilisations to fight together against an opponent (Republic) Im not seeing the differences here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 NATO-under a joint command, Countries would work together to defeat the Soviets. The Countrie's armies would remain independent of each other. In other words, American would not serve in British units. But remain in there own units. Similar to world War II. Confederacy-Takes armies of the different civs, and turns them into one large army. Integrating the units. Example Americans would serve in British units (think of WWI, the brits wanted this, we said no). They do the same thing but are structured differently. As such you can say they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 Windu, its obvious the information you know about NATO was gleaned off an episode of Nick News. That Linda Ellerbee can be a real tricky one. Im not seeing any differences here I wonder why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted September 3, 2002 Author Share Posted September 3, 2002 what exactly is a 'nick news' and who is 'Linda Ellerbe'? Getting back to the point NATO is an alliance made of independant nations. The Confederacy is an alliance made of independant civilisations. Where is the difference? If it helps at all, think of the Confederacy as the Confederacy during the US civil war, with Count Dooku as General Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Nick News... ROFLMAO!!! How's that for an obscure reference of the day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Things just fly over your second grade head, dont they windu? (either that or you dont live in the states) The difference is the nitty gritty. Now the Civil War's confeds are alot closer to the actual thing, although dooku and lee would not be equal. They had a combined army under one leader, however the confeds in the civil war were one big group to start with. Think of the trade feds as an ally to the confeds and your good to go. pbguy, yeah, i do tend to make obscure references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0RF Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 NATO is NOT the Confederacy. NATO is a organization of treatises. The French allied with the Revolutionary Colonists in the American Revolution, but were not a part of America. The Germans, Italians and Japanese allied in the Second World War but fought in almost mutually exclusive theatres. What you saw in Ep 2 was an alliance not unlike NATO, but the Confederacy itself is a SEPARATE ENTITY represented by Dooku and the Geonosians, not unlike the Civil War South seeking assistance from other nations. The Confederacy was an amalgam of dissenting systems, much like the Civil War South. One nation of many states. Or the Scot clans uniting under William Wallace, then the Earl of Bruce, to drive out the English and form a single nation. The Trade Federation et al were seeking an ALLIANCE with this ALREADY EXISTING Confederacy for their mutual benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 Actually Windu and Lee are very alike. 1. They look almost the same 2. Lee went to west point (the Northern School) just as Dooku trained as a Republic Jedi 3. Lee served as part of the American Army before joinging the Confed's, Dooku served as a Republic Jedi before joining the Confed's I'm 90% sure that the character of Count Dooku was based on the real-life (not any more) General Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 1. Wow! A movie character and a two century old general sorta resemble each other. What an arguement! Actually, dooku reminds me mofre of Col. Sanders, then Gen. Lee:D 2&3 are redundant. Actually Windu and Lee are very alike. Yep. They both blindly supported ludacris ideas and both, in the end, lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Ok, I'm hoping that's just a typo... Shouldn't it be "Actually Dooku and Lee are very alike" instead of "Actually Windu and Lee very alike"? I'm fairly sure Samuel L. Jackson looks very little like Robert E. Lee (or even Christopher Lee for that matter)... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 People, this isn't about the u.s. civil war or the ressemblance between General Lee and Christopher Lee. And I don't think Dooku has ''lost'' and fight for a certain ideal. He is under Sidious' control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I was refering to our Windu and history's Lee. Also, luke, that was my point entirely (thus the KFC reference). This has become incredibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted September 5, 2002 Author Share Posted September 5, 2002 Yes, that was supposed to say 'Lee and Dooku are alike' not windu. sithmaster - i dont live in the USA, and have no idea what you are talking about with 'nick news' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Sithmaster-I missed that.Thanks for pointing it out. Windu-Let's just stop arguing on Dooku and Lee and get to the main idea of this threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 Nick news was an old tv show on a channel for kids that talked about world events and the news on a level that children would understand. Back on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 First of all it would be confusing if two civs look alike. In AoK for exemple sometimes you could get lost between a teal player and a blue or green player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadrixTF Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Windu, i see that you are the target of a lot of criticism in this forum! Unfortumately, i am going to have to agree with SimWiz and SithMaster - I don't like the idea of merging the two Civs (i know you have retracted that already, but that is the topic), i play TF all the time and i don't want Confeds to have my Destroyer Droids or any other of my unique units. Although, i DO agree that the Trade Fed Battleship would be a nice addition - they should have thought of that before releasing CC expansion. The Air Cruisers seem a bit rushed in their design...? Is there a Trade Fed Battleship in the Scenario Editor? - then i can at least rectify their mistake myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 Personally, i like how the TF air cruiser looks. The emps and the gungams are a different story though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 Not only the Empire! The rebel also gets on my nerves(thus the reason I don't use rebel Air cruisers). It's an ugly modification of the cool looking Corellian Corvette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithmaster_821 Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 I like the rebel one, it looks cool in my opinion. Move over Y-wing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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