Psionic Jedi Posted August 23, 2002 Author Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Guns look better in STar Wars? Lets not get into the German Pistol wrapped in duct-tape And for the person who said a Phaser would never hit a tie, you need to watch more Trek. The Enterprise's Targeting system is 100% accurate....... *feels very geeky* Actually they sometimes miss, cause in Nebulas the sensors are all fuxed up and occasionally a Torp or two gets lost. As for Phasers, well, they miss alot in Starfleet Command 1 & 2 . In ST:Generations; Klingon BOP misses the Enterprise with Disruptors, it pierces their shields but misses their hull by a tiny bit. Oh yeah in TIE Fighter's intro movie there's the SSD compared to a bunch of VSDs... humongous geez! No wonder it could only be destroyed by crashing into the Death Star. You guys really need to delve deeper into the variable of the Starfighter squadrons... I mean, an XWing against a Type 4 Shuttle? C'mon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psionic Jedi Posted August 23, 2002 Author Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by Pres. Screwb OK, here comes the expert witness with his testimony: 1) The enterprises is shielded 100% from pure energy weapons. Lasers would not be able to penetrate the navigational shielding of the enterprise. (Stated clearly in an episode of TNG) 2) The star wars wourld has never encountered particle weapons (phasers). It stands to reason that ISD's have no defense against them. A phaser would pierce the ISD's shielding and destroy the shield generator in a matter of seconds. I applaud your technical correctness! Laser Acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. In a laser, the oscillator (a gaseous, fluid or solid matter) is embedded in a resonator, usually consisting of two mirrors. Continuous energy supply leads to an occupation inversion of energy levels within the oscillator, meaning that more electrons are in an excited (higher energy) state than in the normal state. A large amount of narrow-band light is produced, corresponding to electrons falling back to their normal states. A small part of the generated photons generates new excited electrons, while the major part is emitted through one of the mirrors which is semi-transparent. Laser weapons have been replaced by the more powerful phasers in the 23rd century, however, lasers are still in use as cutting and welding tools. Phasers > Lasers Shipboard phaser banks are attached to the outer hull of a starship in form of small apertures or domes in the 23rd century that are extended to segmented strips and finally rings in the 24th century. Phaser beams travel at light speed, and the maximum efficient operation range is 300,000km. In X-Wing, you have to close to less than 2 or 3km before the SD starts to fire at you with its many, many tubolasers. Of course this is as a Starfighter, but I'm sure that Calimari Cruiser v SD isn't that much more significant. Another thing: SD Turbolasers are extremely inaccurate... like 25% of them miss when engaging a similarly sized target (C.Cruiser). That said I think the Enterprise can just sit far, far away and take potshots at the SD from afar, even target those huge spherical shield generators and make short work of the SD's unprotected hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskimoPimp Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 The only way I could ever see the Enterprise winning is that if the star destroyer crew was sleeping, all the TIEs broken, turbolasers malfuctioning and a Mon Cal already attacking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 captain kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres. Screwb Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 what's so funny about captain kirk? Also: protons may be particles, but proton torpedoes are not entirely made of protons. They involve protons to create an explosion. In the same way that Photon torpedoes are actually made of a high-durability metal, and charged with photons by way of warp energy, and contain antimatter for their explosion. Which brings another poll: Proton or photon torpedo? I vote for the photon torpedo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres. Screwb Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 I think we also need to clarify the difference between phasers and lasers. Phasers fire highly charged particles travelling in a beam toward it's target. The beam is positionable, so 100% accuracy is possible. Lasers are a simple beam of a type of light. So, as a laser hits a shield, the shield absorbs the light energy and dissipates it. But when a phaser hits a shield, the shield must form a repulsive barrier to the particles. Thus, the shields involved in star trek are much more powerful than the shields in star wars. Star wars sheilds do not have the power to repel a 500meV/s barrage of particles, thus the particles pass throught the shielding, striking the hull, and causing a disrupting effect on the molecules of steel, displacing electrons, and causing a tiny fission reaction on the hull of the ISD. ISD's stand no chance against that kind of power. Also: I think that the Star Trek ships are beutiful. Elegant, graceful. Unlike your giat tin cans! the were built out of several battelship models! C'mon, guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 well... one..... of the *checks hair* things..... funny...... about captain kirk....... is....... *change to another camp pose* the way...... he can't....... say a ............... a sentence............... without sounding................ like he's............. out of breath........ oh captain kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psionic Jedi Posted August 24, 2002 Author Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by SivyB well... one..... of the *checks hair* things..... funny...... about captain kirk....... is....... *change to another camp pose* the way...... he can't....... say a ............... a sentence............... without sounding................ like he's............. out of breath........ oh captain kirk Which... Brings... Us... to... *gasp* Captain.. Kirk.. V... Darth.... Vader!!! *Gasp* *Reaches for Inhaler* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pres. Screwb Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 vader would win in a heartbeat. Also, addressing a previous post, The borg don't just adapt... They'll travel backwards in time and show up with a cube to destroy the death star before it's halfway completed, and transwarp out even before the fleet could reach the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Vader's breathing was part of his character Captain Kirk well he... well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by Pres. Screwb I think we also need to clarify the difference between phasers and lasers. Phasers fire highly charged particles travelling in a beam toward it's target. The beam is positionable, so 100% accuracy is possible. Lasers are a simple beam of a type of light. So, as a laser hits a shield, the shield absorbs the light energy and dissipates it. But when a phaser hits a shield, the shield must form a repulsive barrier to the particles. Thus, the shields involved in star trek are much more powerful than the shields in star wars. Star wars sheilds do not have the power to repel a 500meV/s barrage of particles, thus the particles pass throught the shielding, striking the hull, and causing a disrupting effect on the molecules of steel, displacing electrons, and causing a tiny fission reaction on the hull of the ISD. ISD's stand no chance against that kind of power. Also: I think that the Star Trek ships are beutiful. Elegant, graceful. Unlike your giat tin cans! the were built out of several battelship models! C'mon, guys... light is particles ...... from a certain point of view .... and SW shields take blasts from torpedos Not entirely up on the numbers .... but an eV is about 10^-16 Joules (thats minus ... really tiny) ... and milli is 10^-6.... so even tinier .... per second ..... and thats worse than an explosion which will have sumthing in the range of ..... millions of joules??!?!!! ... .im not sure ... i imagine more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Talliusc Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon the enterprise would make short work of the star destroyer 1)bigger 2)better wepons 3)better shields sorry to burst your bubble, but the enterprise is ALOT smaller then an isd. and while i dont dispute the shield power or the weapon power, the imperials are ALOT faster. according to an episode of startrek voyager it would take 2 weeks to travel 2,000 light years, it took a star destroyer 3 days to cover 450,000light years, so yes the enterprise would win the battle, IF they could ever catch the ISD. which they couldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted August 25, 2002 Share Posted August 25, 2002 The ISD would destroy the Enterprise. I mean look at the shields of the Falcon. They took direct hits by asteroids. The Enterprise couldnt even handle a hit like that. Now imagine a ISD shields. Then get the entire Imperial Navy vs. the Federation fleet. The Federation can't even control its neighbor's the Romulan's. They are weak and their ships arn't made for war but for patroling. The Imperial Navy is heavally armed so dont even think the Enterprise would last. Then you have a ISD compliment of Tie Fighters and Bombers. They would wreak havoc. Han also tells Ben that he's been to one side of the Galaxy to the other. Voyager is on the other side of the Galaxy and it took how many years to make it? The ISD's could pop out of a sudden and just devastate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JandoFett1842 Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Probably even a Victory-Class Star Destroyer Could woup up on the enterprize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorganfloss Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Star Destroyer because Star Tek Sux. (Although, that Elite Force game is pretty fun...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chastan Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 I would say the Enterprise, because they have Mr. Data and all those nerd-heads thinking of some way to disable something or another with a reverse tachyon beam. All the empire has are those stiffs in suits. And of course, my main reason, the Enterprise is on the side of good guys!!! If the Enterprise teamed up with a Calamari cruiser, that would just kick ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorganfloss Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Good guys suck. EVIL RULES!!!! No suck :trooper: Suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 The treky ship has weak shields I think and it will be torn to shreds by the star destroyer:launcher: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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