SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Europeans, need to learn how to grow up. I don't want to sound harsh, but come to think of it. But your (European) actions, is only making yourself appear like inmature little children! If you would stop bitchin and complaining, on how we Americans live in a different culture and life style, and grow a decent brain, maybe we can finally live in peace? Prejuidice towards another, isn't what I call friendly relations. Since Europe is usually big on World Peace all the time, why don't they show it? I haven't seen anything, from them, that leads to peace. Prejuidice doesnt lead to peace. Hate doesnt lead to peace. Spitting at people in the middle of a street doesnt lead to peace. Europe, is what you call, a hypocritical continent. They're probally a lot of good Europeans out there, with good hearts. But on this board, I've mostly seen prejuidice and hateful ones. You guys make a bad name for Europe. Each country (most of them) in a certain way, has a purpose in different areas. The USA, is a big chunk of the world, that helps provide for everyone. A lot of countries provide as well, but the US is to a high degree (I'm sure that if other countries were as big and had as much money and such, they would do the samething). But the fact is, we play a big role in the world, not saying others don't, but we do. I don't know what your media is brainwashing you into thinking, but we aren't all hard hearted. Theres a lot of good decent people here, who actually "dream" of going to a different country for a vacation. If the USA, hated everyone, why would a lot of us, "dream" of going on a vacation to another country? Like Italy, England, France, Germany, and etc etc etc? I don't see anything hateful in there. Just think about it, we aren't out there to cause prejuidice and hate, its people who choose to do that, not us. Our intentions aren't evil, but are for the good of the world. I don't recall, anything in history (besides the colonial times and such), of us trying to take over another country, for our own purposes to run and control. No where in the 20th century, and 21st century as well. In WWII, we managed to get to Iwo Jima, the closest area, to mainland Japan. We were actually trying to figure out a way how to invade Japan, and get to the leader to force him to surrender. But by looking at it, the casualities would have probally reached in the millions. On both sides. So they had a alternative plan, but the President at the time (Harry S. Truman) didn't really like the idea at first. But by looking at the assumed casuality rate, he decided to drop 1, yes 1 bomb on one city. After that, we asked if they would surrender. The Emperor of Japan refused. So after a couple days later, we dropped another one. After that, they surrendered. You see, the President didn't really want to drop the bombs, but he had to, to save American lives. Would you send, (mostly young) soldiers into the battlefield, that you know that a lot of them will get slaughtered? His decision was a wise, yet sad one. He wasn't laughing or twirling his little fingers while giving the order, he was grieved. I don't think, a hateful, power greedy, and war loving President, would grieve over something like that. George W. Bush isn't laughing while at war, he wanted peace. But however, you got to make choices that you don't want to make, and that will be good for America and for the world. So I ask you this, would you continue to be prejuidice towards America? Or would you try to respect the way we live, and get along, as we are trying to get along with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 I guess they met one wise-ass, ****y American and it jilted their view of the entire nation. "Americans suck because that one I met in Liverpool called me a ****" I have to agree with you there, Vader. The A-Bomb decision was probably the best choice. Sort of the lesser of two evils. I dont know why people say "America wouldnt hesitate to use its nukes." Yeah, thats why we went through the entire coldwar without a single nuke fired. We only threatened when we were threatened by a potential Soviet missile base in Cuba. (Cuban Missile Crisis). I guess some of you might try to tell us that we did nuke countries and out government covered it up in another big conspiracy.... [/sarcasm] ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by ep2 Anakin yeah yeah yeah, all you foreign f*cks who think america is doing bad things? **** off, last time i checked we were the worlds leading super power, doesn't that mean we've been doing something right? OMG! thats the stupidest AND funniest thing iv ever read! no offence but shut your mouth coz ur not doing urself any favours with your 'political mind' but anyway, i totally agree with Clem in everything he has said - long live the empire! theres soooo much on this thread to write about but i simply havent got the time so here's just a brief summary of ur quotes: "Europeans, need to learn how to grow up" there goes the 'europeans are all the same' attitude again...its displayed so many times by people from the USA that its become a well known joke...so many times you go on bout europeans! we're all so very very different, we're different countries ffs! "If you would stop bitchin and complaining, on how we Americans live in a different culture and life style, and grow a decent brain, maybe we can finally live in peace?" most the time we dont complain about ur lifestyle...its the political decisions made by ur government that annoy people all around the world. some of the USA's actions are against peace so by not trying to stop you then you will only do worse and worse "So I ask you this, would you continue to be prejuidice towards America? " YES btw Clem, what political party do you support *Divine Spirit smacks a big UK Independence Party' rosette on Clems shirt* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 at least it aint the national front im not political enuff to support a party but i tend towards lib dem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 After reading what i just said i realised i sounded very arrogant...im sorry about that but i get so passionate when talking about things like this sorry if i offend anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by SSO_DarthVader_ Our intentions aren't evil, but are for the good of the world. So, that's why you rejected the Kyoto Treaty? Good call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 id forgotten about koyoto ...... I WAS SOOOOOOOOOOO ANGRY WHEN I HEARD THAT i bet the next thing SSO says is "whats the koyoto treaty" ... i can see it coming already edit ur intentions may not be evil as such .... but they are selfish uve been listening to too much propaganda my SSO friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 iv just finished watching that world trade centre falling down video....its been well made and it made me have goosebumps a few times the only thing that annoyed me about it was the picture of a sign put up saying: "Bush: Declare war on Afganistan 9/11/01" and i bet if there were the same resources in exsistence around the time of WW2 (i.e. thousands of colour cameras) then i bet someone could make an even more shocking video about the blitz all over the UK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 the blitz was war but i agree it was atrocious terrorism to the uk Omagh (spelling?) Lockerbie .... Manchester ... plus many many more minor incedents (minor meaning it only kills a few people) which isnt really minor at all and those major 1's are the only 1's that pop up to my head im sure there are many many more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 What did I just say earlier? America does make some dumb decisions, yet it makes a lot of good decisions as well. Every country ain't perfect, take England for example. Look at its history, it made some of the dumbest decisions in the world. And you don't see people (from what I know) cursing England out (by the whole world). I think its a combination of things why people dislike USA. 1. Political decisions. 2. Jealously. 3. Our Power. While we're on the subject. Why were or "are" countries have a hissy fit over the US developing a advance up-to-date national defence system? People should butt out of our business, its not like we're building it on your turf. I could see in a way why you would be worried, but we aren't gonna use it to destroy everyone. We're for Peace in the world, we aren't like Hitler or Stalin. I think with all the bad expierences in world history, when powerful countries took over others, they think the US would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 how old are u SSO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurd Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 I have a question: Can you actually justify human suffering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 not unless ur evil (which is a word the americans seem to be bandying about alot for ne1 they dont like) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurd Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Not a surprise considering America's foundations are British culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 So Clem, list for me EXACTLY the things you believe america has done wrong. Make it recent, preferably. Dont go screaming about slavery or displacement of Natives. We know that was wrong, but it's ancient. Keep your examples within the last 15-20 years. Shock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Bombing Afghan Koyoto treaty Fingered Osama without NE evidence (even if u have some now) Threatening to attack iraq now for no good reason ur general impression on the world im sure sum1 could add to this list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem Bombing Afghan Koyoto treaty Fingered Osama without NE evidence (even if u have some now) Threatening to attack iraq now for no good reason ur general impression on the world im sure sum1 could add to this list you forgot one: Americans that post on the forums who clearly know nothing about politics *cough* ep2 Anakin *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by SSO_DarthVader_ I think its a combination of things why people dislike USA. 1. Political decisions. 2. Jealously. 3. Our Power. While we're on the subject. Why were or "are" countries have a hissy fit over the US developing a advance up-to-date national defence system? People should butt out of our business, its not like we're building it on your turf. I could see in a way why you would be worried, but we aren't gonna use it to destroy everyone. We're for Peace in the world, we aren't like Hitler or Stalin. I think with all the bad expierences in world history, when powerful countries took over others, they think the US would do the same. The political decisions are a perfectly ok reason for disliking america. i dont hate america out of jealousy because there is nothing about america that i wish England had...not even its power - England has enough influence to make changes in the world. and i dont like america because of its power because i think its using its power incorrectly...it should be signing things like the Kyoto treaty and not throwing its weapons all over the world. And about the defence system, have you ever heard of an arms build up? first its just defence weapons but soon america will want to boost its army power in every way. And i agree about ur last point. america isnt an extreme, faschist, communist power.....YET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 Originally posted by Divine Spirit And about the defence system, have you ever heard of an arms build up? first its just defence weapons but soon america will want to boost its army power in every way. And i agree about ur last point. america isnt an extreme, faschist, communist power.....YET! Do I detect Fear? I highly doubt it'll become a communist power, but of course, anything can happen. Plus whats the matter with a weapons build up? Plus, if you think about it, we don't got that much of a good armed forces (man power wise)... Active Duty 1. US Army = 471,633 (Year 2000) 2. US Navy = 375,618 (Year 2001) 3. US Marine Corps = 170,631 (Year 2001) 4. US Air Force = 351,935 (Year 2001) 5. US Coast Guard = 35,712 (Year 2000) ...these statistics are from "The World Alamanac and Book of Facts 2002." If you have this edition, you'll notice that ever since President Bill Clinton (1993-2000) came into office, the number of individuals in the US Armed Forces "declined" under his leadership. He "might" have soposly did good for our enconomy, but he also really screwed it up in certain areas. And also messed up the Armed Forces pretty bad. Considering, today we have exactly "287,892,962" people living in America. The man power in our Armed Forces is small. Thats why, our Government is planning on finding ways of recruiting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 Clem, we aren't attacking Iraq for no reason, I guess your living in la la land? If you haven't crawled out of your cave recently, you'll notice on the news (if your media broadcasts are smart enough to discuss about it), that we have perfectly good reasons on attacking Iraq. 1. We have, without a shadow of doubt, that Suddam has weapons of mass destruction, and under his leadership, and what he has done in the past, we don't trust him with those kind of weapons (including biological weapons). 2. He has denied access for our inspectors, to inspect. 3. I don't know if this is 100% true, but I've heard he might attack Israel in the not-so-distant future. Israel won't be able to withstand Iraq's forces (maybe, don't know). 4. So far, from what I know, the US believes Osama Bin Laden is hiding in Iraq, but this isn't the main reason why we are attacking Iraq, thats just a side bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 If I recall, is "Britian" itself aiding the United States? "On Tuesday, US and British aircraft carried out more attacks on Iraqi territory. Warplanes bombed a radar site near the northern city of Mosul and an air defence command centre near An Nukhayb in the south." - BBC News So I see your actual Government is aiding the US, interesting. Even your own news station confirmed this. So I guess we're not the only ones who are bombing every country that we suspect to be evil? Man, this gets better by the minute. This proves my theory to be true, "a lot" (not all) Europeans tend to be hypocritical. Since from Clem, rabbling about, how we Americans bomb countries that we suspect to be evil. I see Britian doing the samething, right beside US forces. What do you have to say about this? And no, "Under influence" isn't a excuse, every country with a democratic government, has a right to make its own decisions. You chose to aid us in this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<JOTD>Jedi Hunter Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 This is a pointless thread. All this thread will cause is distress. I personally think it should be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 Just because it's causing distress doesn't mean it should be closed....besides you get to see how stupid (and smart actually) some people really are. I personally think USA ROCKS in every way... The NSA/CIA agencies ROCK, man what would I give to serve them and the nation... some individuals are stupid, maybe more than some, but you can't really say that Europeans are SMAHAHAHART. Each nation has it's pearls, like ep2anakin here and some others... The thing that frightens me is that people like that eventually get a vote of confidence and have a small part in the so called democracy around the world. *SHIVERS* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 This is a great thing to post with the anniversary of the worst disaster in history just around the corner. Great job guys. [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 The worst disaster in history? You need to spend more time with the history book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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