CheshireKat Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 If this is my model, please stop imediately. Not only will it ilk me, but I no longer own the rights to my SW models. So if this is, which I cant tell without the wireframe, you may be treading on thin ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Cheshire, why don't you own the rights to your SW models anymore? I guess I'm out of the loop on this... do you work for some video game company and anything you produce belongs to them or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Loki Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Personally, I dont think it is mauls body. if you have a look at the belt, it is thinner than mauls belt, and on maul the clothes "hang out" more over the belt. where the boots end on maul, the pants are very baggy, but they are not on the dark jedi, they are less baggy. and maul has more of a "skirt", the dark jedi just has a short cape like thing hanging off his back. the head does look like a reborns though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 We're not saying it's Darth Maul's body verbatum, we're saying he took Cheshire's Maul's model and made a few modifications to it (such as a thinner belt, less baggy clothes, etc) as well as adding the reborn head. It's really close to it to just be coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Loki Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Uhhh, so now that cheshire has made darth maul, no one is allowed to make any dark jedi wearing that style clothes? most of the people on these forum say that jedi should only wear there 'under suit' or whatever its called, and from what we see in the movies, they all look pretty much the same. I think its stupid to accuse someone of model-theft for making something that looks similar to another persons model, especially if they are making something that is meant to be wearing the same style clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 I'm sorry Darth Loki, I think you missed the point. It's not that there is any problem with what he is wearing personally, I think it's actually a rather cool model, It's just that it really looks like it's Cheshire's Darth Maul model with a reborn head and boots slapped on. I don't know if your a modeler but the geometry on the model is extremely suspicious, the gloves are exactly the same shape, not just the look, but the geometry and it uses the same exact texture. Also the way the body itself was constructed looks exactly like Cheshire's model, with just a few verts pushed around. I could take mauls body and in five minuets push around enough verts to make it almost identicle, but the actuall construction wouldnt change. I do not throw around accusations lightly, this is the second time I have, and the first time I was 100% right. It's not that it looked 100% similar, but the construction was exactly the same. I'm sorry you think my comments are stupid, but the modeling community takes these things seriously. I may have angered some of the fans in this community, they may now not want to download my models, but I cannot in good faith keep these comments to myself when I see somebody blaitently ripping off somebody elses work. If I am wrong I will issue a public appology. As I said, I personally like the model. Saku can make anything he likes, but it's is completely unethical to use somebody else's model as a base for their own model without permission. I'm taking this more seriously because this IS a legal matter, Cheshire doesnt own the rights to his model. I know where he is coming from because I no longer own the rights to one of my models either and I know how upset I would be if somebody used my model as a base without permission I'm sorry this message is so long, but I had to get that off my chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eets Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 I'm looking at the files inbox, and there is a "Gallimar" model here that looks exactly like this Generic Sith model... Care to enlighten me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleek Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 I think you guys are right though. I noticed it on the first screenshot on the gloves. It has the exact same lil shading(light and dark areas) as the Darth Maul model. Oh well..it was a kewl idea I thought:( . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Eets, It's most likely this model was submitted under the name Gallimar, or whatever it was. As far as I know, no name for the model was mentioned in this thread, so it could very well be this one. I ask that the file not be posted until the matter is resolved, that way it's fair to everyone. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleek Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Found something interesting! PROOF I TELL YOU, PROOF! guess he just took it upon himself to use the model anyhow and hope no one would notice...perhaps? By the way..did he sumit it and it is delaying the posting up of files? I sent in that Jacen Solo skin I did about 1 or 2 weeks ago(can't remeber) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 That's the message I was thinking of, thanks for diging it up bleek Perhaps it was an honest mistake and he didnt read Cheshire's reply. That was durring a period of massive clutter in the forum, so that definatly could have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Nice sleuthing, Bleek. And Toonces, I doubt it's an honest mistake. Why ask a question if you're not going to look for the answer? Because you're going to do it regardless of whether you get an answer or not. That thread might as well have said, "Cheshire Kat, i'm going to use your Darth Maul model." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk_of_war Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 It could have been a mistake, he could have thought that the thread had disappeared and not been able to find it. Although I do admit it is suspisious, and chances it wasn't a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Loki Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 My apologies to all. And no, Toonces, I am not a modeller, not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 If he wasn't doing something underhanded, he would have said something like, "i'm creating a new model, using Cheshire's Maul as a base to start from," and then go on. As there was no mention of Cheshire's work, indeed, he has claimed it was *HIS* work the entire time, I still submit it was malicious and intentional stealing of another's model, especially since Cheshire stated clearly in the thread where he was asked if the Maul model could be used that it was a legal matter, please do NOT use it, etc, etc. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireKat Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 In all honesty, I would not have cared had I missed his thread. Its hard to keep up with everything. Ive recieved alot of emails ect concerning the use of Maul, and if I could Id not really care if people used it, just that they give proper credit. But I do suggest doing your own work. It's really a better feeling than Rippin. My main concern though is that I did put alot of work into Maul, and anyone who wants to do the work can do just as good if not a better job than myself, so I guess I just dont understand not modelling from scratch. But the real point here is that I did ask that he not use it. The disrespect of not abiding to my answer is a bit irritating, but it's somthing I cant control once I release something. Either way Saik, dont give up modelling, just try to start from scratch next time. It's very rewarding, and Im sure you'll enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deetox187 Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Umm jkii.net just posted this model for download. http://www.jediknightii.net/files/index.php?link=file&id=941 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Yeah, I just noticed that too. I havent loaded the glm into modview yet, but I peeked around at the textures and the hand texture is exactly the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deetox187 Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 It is definetly the Maul model, i can tell just from this quote >When using Red Stance the arms twist up alittle when performing the first basic forward swing That is exactly what happens to Maul when he does that swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Alright, I loaded it up in modview, and while it's been heavaly modified, and some of it's parts replaced (head, boots, and legs part of the shoulders) It's clearly the same model. The verts down the center of the chest were wielded together, The belt has just been resized, the arms have simply been adjusted a little bit, and the hands are identicle. For some reason the caps show up as part of the model without dismemberment which is really wierd, I've never seen that before I almost feel like I'm picking on this kid, but I just know how upset I'd be if my stuff was used as a base for another model without permission and credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMan Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by CheshireKat My main concern though is that I did put alot of work into Maul, and anyone who wants to do the work can do just as good if not a better job than myself, so I guess I just dont understand not modelling from scratch. Yes, and I did a bit of work on Maul as well. I unwrapped everything but the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Loki Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 well, take it up with the people at jkii.net now, because it has been posted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAIK HUAT Posted September 19, 2002 Author Share Posted September 19, 2002 Some times I hate people. I asked the Kat to use his model and he said no, so i used the models from within the game and modified and used the maul models skins (no problem in that is there?). Not the mesh. If you guys actually did closely look at my mesh it is nothing like his model. This is making me mad. I spend 3 days solid for spending time on a model to make it sith like (like maul) and im accussed of using his model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAIK HUAT Posted September 19, 2002 Author Share Posted September 19, 2002 I will post some pics later to shut you all up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eets Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 I removed the file from the files section for now. Once everything is straightened out, Andy or I will re-add it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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