This is for all You Ravers out there

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by Jah Warrior

 

And for the record Sasha and Paul Oakenfold are not rave DJ's they are house DJ's.

 

hehehe you obviously haven't seem them live too often. They play some crazy trance sometimes.

 

Raves have been transforming for years and years. They used to be all out liquid acid fests held out doors, but have since toned down their image to avoid Law enforcement.

 

A local club where I am at has held some wicked raves in 4 feet of foam, for the last 3 years during the summer.

 

Now however raves have died down and fancy clubs have taken over the seen in my city.

 

My favorite club has a very interesting a approach to a VIP room -

 

A small square room with the floor covered with pillows and a all crystal clear glass working shower in the corner and a gigantic flat screen TV letting you see the rest of the club on the wall. I tell you these clubs are da shiz.

[FatalStrike]

Originally posted by NerfYoda

 

I've been to a few raves, yeah, and every time was constantly horribied by the rampant stupidity witnessed. You're in a fancy college and are smarter than me I guess, but your recreational habits are freakishly ridiculous. Getting good scores on standardized tests & attending expensive colleges don't make you enlightened, neither do recreational drugs. Go toot your horn somewhere else.

 

Apologies if this sounds a bit harsh, but I'm having a sh*tty day & I'm a grumpy old man, remember?

 

 

You sound like Pat Robertson......and thats not a good thing.

[Ratmjedi]

I have never been to a rave or dance period.

I have been to a Military ball but I didn't dance much.

I know a few ravers but I don't really talk to them.

They seem pretty cool and don't look like they do drug's.

I have been wanting to go raving cause of the cool glow sticks and lights. I wouldn't really dance much but I would mess around with the glow sticks and lights.

I like the music cause I like any music. It's kickass to listen too and to pump if you have the proper system and a Subwoofer.

I just think that ravers are cool just like other people are in their own special way. Just my opinion.

[Aoshi]

Originally posted by NerfYoda

 

I've been to a few raves, yeah, and every time was constantly horribied by the rampant stupidity witnessed. You're in a fancy college and are smarter than me I guess, but your recreational habits are freakishly ridiculous. Getting good scores on standardized tests & attending expensive colleges don't make you enlightened, neither do recreational drugs. Go toot your horn somewhere else.

 

Apologies if this sounds a bit harsh, but I'm having a sh*tty day & I'm a grumpy old man, remember?

 

it's all a matter of perception. if you dont feel like letting others express themselves why should you be allowed to express your opinions? this is a free country after all last i remembered, so you shouldnt go around criticizing other people when im almost positive that you have some 'freakishly ridiculous' habits of your own. i think that i'm actually quite a normal guy, but there are few other places you can go to experience the kind of atmosphere you can find (sometimes) at raves. btw i'm vain enough not to need to 'toot my horn' in a public forum, so i would have no need to try to show off to the likes of you. i was simply making a point that you cannot classify 'ravers' into a stereotype of cracked out drug fiends(i actually know of a buncha people in my university that are also ravers and we're not HOD majors or anything i'm a sophmore premed student and most of the ravers i know here are either premed or engineering). from the sounds of it at least, i have a more open mind than you; therefore, in a sense i am much much more enlightened than you are.

 

the last real rave i went to was about a year and a half ago at baton rouge, but i cant remember the name of the dj that was there. i was rollin pretty hardcore =\

[Jah Warrior]

Oh dear,

 

I think there is a little confusion here.... (again)

 

Right off the bat I think what some would call a Rave is an Americanism for a large Dance Music event. This is kind of right but also not.

 

The history of Raves in the UK:-

 

Ok I'll start in 1988 as thats when the big events started:-

 

1988:- Acid House came into being, large outdoor events sprung up all over the UK, main drug of choice at the time was LSD, most events held were either held outdoors or in warehouses, very few events made it into the clubs, possibly London and Manchester being the exception.

 

1989:- The Acid scene moved toward a more bass, breaks and bleeps sound, Ultimately it was more techno sounding, Joey Beltram etc were artists of note at the time, most of the best material came from the continent, Belgium, Holland and Italy being dominant at this time.

 

1990:- The Birth of Rave:- The Acid sound subsided and what we now call Hardcore was born. Artists like LTJ Bukem, 4 Hero, Nookie, Ray Kieth, Goldie and DJ Crystl all played a major role in shaping what became known as Rave. At this time 'House, Trance, Garage and Techno' were played in the chillout rooms almost exclusively. They were strictly for the backrooms while the ruffer stuff took main stage. This is the year that pills or Ecstacy overtook acid as the drug of choice.

 

1991:- This was Rave's hayday, Whitelabel tunes were plentiful, and the artists really started to experiment with new sounds and technology. The music started to move away from the 4 to the floor kick drum style and fully embraced the breakbeat (god i love breakbeats) MC's became order of the day (unfortunately) and Pills remained the most common drug on the scene. Clubs now started to take on rave nights as it was now soooo popular.

 

The UK government introduced the CJB (Criminal Justice Bill) which basicly took away the right for people to hold unlicensed events and gave Police new powers to deal with Raves. The CJB caused an uproar sparking the slogan 'Kill The Bill' (strange, the police are called the bill here too hehe) Proper Outdoor events had to be strictly controlled and a Police presence was never far away. This is the year that Amnesia, Dreamscape (esp promotions) and Fantasia really hit the big time. 40,000 strong crowds were common place and almost every club in the land had a rave night on at least one day of the week. Pills were and remain the most popular drug.

 

1992:- Illegal raves died at this time, save for a couple of die-hard organisations like Exodus etc, that continued going strong.

 

The Hardcore sound was overtaken by the Junglist sound which incorporated Ragga into the tunes and MC's followed suit with a more Ragga stylee. Ruff elements started to infiltrate the scene by this time, a lot ofmuggings stabbings etc took place and as such signalled the beginning of the end for Raves. Attendances by the end of 1992 were dropping significantly and as the rave crew started to grow up a little they gradually splintered off into the Garage and Techno scenes. Meanwhile the music was getting better and better all the time. Drum and Bass was a new sound that grew out of the hardcore scene LTJ Bukem being its primary innovator.

 

1993:- The fragmentation of the scene was huge by this time. You had Junglists, Happy 'Chappy' Hardcore, Drum & Bass, to name but a few of the the sub-genres. Attendances were simply pathetic by now and only the really big promoters stayed afloat.

 

Garage and House attracted those that wanted the bigger crowds as that was what was becoming 'the fashion' There was a huge divide between Housecats and ravers. You were either one or the other there was no halfway ground at all!

 

1994:- Jungle reigned supreme this year and events like Jungle Jam, Jungle mania and the Kool FM events took center stage.

 

The music became a lot more technically focused with the introduction of warped Bass lines and Timestretching amongst other techniques. Most of the best nights were held in small clubs with the music 'going back underground' following the success of a number of rather cheesy tunes in the top 40. The ravers shunned the commercial aspect and headed for the basements again.

 

1995:- What a year, This was the year of Drum & Bass with the likes of LTJ Bukem, Peshay, Goldie, Roni Size, Fabio and Grooverider spearheading the scene. The scene finally embraced a more melodic and musical sound, diversifying to incorporate Jazz, Funk and soulful atmospheric sounds. In my opinon this was the best year muscically for the scene, it really was quality stuff that was being released. It was stuff you could listen to rather than just be subjected to and at 160 bpm you sure could get down to it if you chose to.

 

The Hardcore sound that was the the more Traditional rave music had spiralled into insanity, resembling Hard Rotterdam Techno or Gabba than anything else and as such only attracted teenagers that wanted to take Ketamine and Pills and jump up and down liek Jack in the boxes.

 

1996-1997:- This is the era of Hard dark Drum & bass the scene took a shift towards a moodier darker sound, the melodic D&B was still prevailant but this is the year that the likes of ED-Rush DJ Trace, Optical etc really made their names. There was a real split developing between Dark D&B and melodic D&B you simply would not hear the two genres played in the same place.

 

LTJ Bukem had a strangle hold on the Melodic D&B scene and basicly killed it. He took on almost every decent artist after signing a deal with Warner brothers, to the point that there was only a handful of artists producing this style of music for labels other than his own. Bukems sound died in 1997 and as far as I know is only really popular abroad now, which is a real shame.

 

1997 to date:- The frequency and the scale of the events being held has been dropping drasticly ever since the end of 1997, It has become harder and garedr to promote a gig for this scene with the ever increasing fragmentation of the rave scene. Most kids over here are into UK garage which is comical to say the very least, You have all the student types and the so-called trendies going to house/trance events.

 

To sum up:-

 

Raves to me were the large illegal events in the late 80's and early 90's, they were wild affairs and totally carefree events. Everyone was smiling and evryone was your friend at these gigs. They were the best years of my life (so far). The Housey Trancey events of late are far too sterile and commercial for my liking, they couldnt be further from the underground roots they share and as such they even advertise on TV these days LOL:rolleyes:

 

If the scene in your area is still cool and fun then thats really wicked, but I'm sad to say that in the UK Raves died in 1997 R.I.P.

 

Who knows maybe its because I am too damn old now for this sort of malarky.

[Aoshi]

bah i could never imagine getting hurt or killed at a rave. everyone there is normally rollin too hard to even begin to hate you. only thing that i could imagine is getting robbed and then having that money used to buy more tabs. my girlfriend and i are actually going to a rave club in about 1-2 weeks. we've already bought the pills and are simply waiting for midterms to be finished. i cant wait. i wanna just not care about anything if even only for a little bit.

[MysticSpade]

Aoshi you're still around glad to see it so when do u game if ever now. Drop me a line i want to see if you've gotten rusty.

 

BTW:

MysticSpade IRON i be

[Aoshi]

heh i turned into a pretty good ctf player. if i dueled you now i wouldnt stand a chance =P glad to see that you're still with IRON though. BF has left JK2 and has gone back to t2. maybe i'll cya around sooner or later. i've been pretty stressed with exams lately tho. im normally on bf's ctf server or nm's ctf server.

[MysticSpade]

u never did stand a chance

 

j/k

i suck at CTF so there's no way i'd play u there. but when u get some free time just PM me or somethin we'll figure it out from there.