Prometheus2k3 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I was wondering about the pure or unpure option when making a server in JKII. Someone once told me that if it is pure clients can't cheat, and that if it's unpure they can. Is this true? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Ackbar8 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 yes im pretty sure it doesnt have cjeats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK_Nutritious Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Not true, this is how it works: Pure server: Only allows custom skins/models etc that the server has loaded on it. Any custom stuff you have that the server doesn't won't be useable. Unpure: You can use any custom models etc that you want. Turn on Cheats: you can do this while running a server by typing /rcon devmap (mapname). This will enable cheats. The reason servers are pure is because ppl will, lets say, make all enemy team models a bright white color allowing them to be seen easier. Having a pure server makes sure everyone's on a level playing field in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Plus, Pure servers force you to d/l all the server's custom models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK|FallenOne Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 That's not true razorace. You don't HAVE to download the models, you aren't FORCED to. Pure prevents people from using models not on the server, however you can go onto a server that's pure and has a bunch of customs on it while you just have basejk. Everyone using custom models will just show up to you as Kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerowingzero Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 And unpure lets you have custom pk3's, on pure servers i have to listen to the ingame music, and on unpure i have my own music to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by FK|FallenOne That's not true razorace. You don't HAVE to download the models, you aren't FORCED to. Pure prevents people from using models not on the server, however you can go onto a server that's pure and has a bunch of customs on it while you just have basejk. Everyone using custom models will just show up to you as Kyle. well, that's if you turn off auto-d/l. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FK|FallenOne Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Wrong again. I have autodownload on all the time and have never been forced to download player models that I didn't have off a pure server. In fact I have a ton of models/skins on our clan server that I DONT have on my machine just cause some people wanted them, and I'm never forced to download them. Only mini-mods, saber hilts, and maps are forced downloads that I've seen. Player models themselves aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Woah, rude and interesting at the same time! Anyway, when I tried it (with defer models off) pure servers forced you to d/l the models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Jed1 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 The model debate aside, for this game there is really no reason to have pure on. There are no public hacks for this game, sure plenty of bugs, but other than a server crash for 1.02 and one other multi-game network exploit for games based on the Quake 3 engine (if you don't know what I'm talking about don't worry about it), the game has remained hack free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 You CAN cheat with pure off... You have to hack the .pk3s to do it... So not many people know exactly how to go about it... But if you want to be sure that there arn't any hacks playing on your server, your best bet is to go pure... What good is using your custom skin anyway? All the other people see is Kyle (most likely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 On an unpure server, someone could load up a mod like JK2++ that could give them a tremendous advantage over others. I don't know how stable that would be, but it would work. Someone could easily modify their game code to give them faster firing weapons, higher damage weapons, god mode, invisiblity, etc, and it's very easy to do, even for a novice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 That would involve a bad server admin in the first place. There's not much you can do about that except avoid bad servers. The amount of cheating that is possible is based on how much is controlled by the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Jed1 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Emon Someone could easily modify their game code to give them faster firing weapons, higher damage weapons, god mode, invisiblity, etc, and it's very easy to do, even for a novice. Well judging by the 90 million "How do I taunt" posts, I don't think that’s going to be an issue. I was very involved in the Quake 3 mod community for a couple of years, and in doing so learned more than I should probably mention about working with the Quake 3 pure authentication system. Pure will block the client side loading of pak files such as skins, primitive bots (auto shooters), and primitive wall hacks and so on. The reason OGC plagues the Quake 3 community even today is due to it being an exe that bypasses the Quake 3 exe and hence, the authentication. No offense to anyone in the JK2 community, but most of the players came from other Star Wars games and/or JK1. The overall knowledge of the Quake 3 engine and how to exploit it is something very, and I mean very few people I have encountered actually possess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Just as you said, many people come from JK. You should also know that JK was one of the most hacked and cheated games of all time, it's up there with Half-Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Jed1 Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Originally posted by Emon Just as you said, many people come from JK. You should also know that JK was one of the most hacked and cheated games of all time, it's up there with Half-Life. True, but the interest in hacking this game has almost completely been ignored by the hack community. The ttol/coolest server exploit was designed for all games based on the Quake 3 engine. The JK2 server crash was never updated after 1.02. That's it. Nothing public ever was made or leaked for this game. Sure there are plenty of bugs like I said (invisible saber anyone?) in the current version but really, what is the purpose of traditional client side hacks? Wall hack? Seeing. Aimbot/auto shooter? No use unless you only play guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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