SkinWalker Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by Cosmos Jack Here is my OPINION of EUROPE..... All of you are afraid of the US. The US is the most powerful country in the world. It can just about do whatever it wants, where it wants, and when it wants to do it. If we force are will on Iraq what's to keep us from doing it to everybody that doesn't agree with us. Wow. I actually share the same opinion as Jack. I wouldn't have worded it the same, but I would agree on the essence of his statement. I think much of the world does, indeed, fear the U.S.A. Russia fought Afganistan for many years... and it took it's toll on them. They failed. We conquered this nation in a short time from ONLY THE AIR. Iran fought Iraq for many years. It took it's toll on both sides. Neither was successful. This morning, the 3rd Infantry Division was reported to be approximately 100 miles (or was it km?) from Bagdad and closing. Saddam is probably wounded if not dead in the first day of battle. This is a power that cannot be weilded carelessly. Otherwise it will invite disaster. Other countries will seek to undermine us or exclude us. Trust will not be forthcoming in this new age of global consumerism. You all know I was against the idea of going to war with Iraq... this was one of my reasons. Now that it has happened, I hope that we make EVERY effort to put the Iraqi people in charge of their country as soon as possible. I hope we make EVERY effort to regain / obtain confidence and trust from our world neighbors. Originally posted by Cosmos Jack I watched the News this morning. They showed a Iraqi village were they were practically celebrating the US rolling through their town, but I guess that was all a hoax and we had guns pointing at them telling them to dance for the camera. I don't think anyone here suggested that the Iraqis didn't want to be free of Saddam. Only that it really wasn't up to the United States to do it. That point is debatable in itself, but certainly every post I read indicated agreement that Iraq would be better off without Saddam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Cosmos Jack I watched the News this morning. They showed a Iraqi village were they were practically celebrating the US rolling through their town, but I guess that was all a hoax and we had guns pointing at them telling them to dance for the camera --------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes i am sure this has happened, but BBC & US embedded reporters are both reporting how large groups that cheerfully greet coalition troops sneer and do other things when they pass. It's clear the Iraqis have learned alot about us since last time we were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmos Jack Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Well POO !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Certainly Europe is concerned with the behavior of the US. Especially since the current el Presidente seems to rule more based on heart and faith, than on brains and reason. Europe is, naturally, interested in making sure that the US behaves itself. There is an obvious conflict of interest, similiar to the conflict of interest that a country will be faced with when the executive power tries to dominate the ruling and judging powers. In effect the US has, on a global scale, taken on the roles of both executive, ruling, and judging power. This is dealt with here. And, by the way, this little skirmish in Iraq was planned and put in place long before any of the evidence that will be planted in Iraq was even fabricated! Some of you will remember this, while some of you will never have seen it before (and I have my own ideas about the demographic correlations). Notice the date and the signatures. This is a letter in which the very same think tank makes it clear that they think that el Prez should declare war, regardless of the evidence for or against. As an endnote (or rather an epitaph) concerning the integrity of this think tank, notice the entry about Israel & the PA. Both of these have been found through http://www.dr.dk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar Both of these have been found through http://www.dr.dk. Interesting links. I'll have to print these and read them more closely. I agree, the signatures are interesting. Particularly Rumsfeld, Armitage, Kristol, and Jeane Kirkpatrick (former UN Ambassador). The regime change idea has certainly been in the works for a long time, much like the "Patriot" Act. Interestingly enough, this think tank doesn't seem to account for the fact that the United States has only had ONE successful regime change in its history of manipulating the governments of others: Panama. The rest are all failures.... Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Afganistan.... well that one's still open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by SkinWalker Interestingly enough, this think tank doesn't seem to account for the fact that the United States has only had ONE successful regime change in its history of manipulating the governments of others: Panama. The rest are all failures.... Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Afganistan.... well that one's still open. Na... Chile was a success, by all accounts, as it fulfilled the objectives... Only they forgot to think when they set the objectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar ]. And, by the way, this little skirmish in Iraq was planned and put in place long before any of the evidence that will be planted in Iraq was even fabricated! Some of you will remember this, while some of you will never have seen it before (and I have my own ideas about the demographic correlations). Notice the date and the signatures. This is a letter in which the very same think tank makes it clear that they think that el Prez should declare war, regardless of the evidence for or against. As an endnote (or rather an epitaph) concerning the integrity of this think tank, notice the entry about Israel & the PA. Both of these have been found through http://www.dr.dk. Nice work ST, you of course are correct. In fact this whole idea was suggested to Bush#41 during the end of the last Iraq conflict. Paul Wolfowitz drafted the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance on America's military posture toward the world that suggested the US ignore our own laws and rules regarding preemptive action without legal evidence. Bush#41 shot it down instantly as an unAmerican unjust,way of conducting ourselves. Yes they tried to run it past Clinton who also said no way. The current Bush along with Chenney had this Paul Wolfowitz plan brought back out before he was even elected. And after 911 they stopped trying to justify it and put it into action. You can get this from the PBS Frontline website. frontline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 lol. I knew that Skin and you had been complaining about this very subject for a couple of months... So part of the credit goes to yourself. BTW: DRTV is a not a good place to start learning Danish, as, evidently, the reporters haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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