JediNyt Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 In Ep2 when Jango fires the proton torpedo at Obi in the asteroid field, why doesnt Obi have counter measures to stop the torpedo instead of his spare parts? This seems strange to me. In our world military planes have counter measures as well as submarines. Why doesnt a Jedi Starfighter have em, especially in such a technologically advanced universe? There probably is no real answer. Perhaps Lucas just forgot about counter measures. Oh well, spare parts seem to work fine. Anyone else ever think about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 A few things occur to me: First of all, it's not really a Starfighter, since it has no weapons. It's just a cheap and effective way of carrying a lone Jedi from place to place. It's analogous to a car, whereas the transport ships are like busses and the Falcon, of course, is a Winnebago Secondly, the Jedi Ship is painted red, which, we know, means that it has diplomatic immunity. This is also a reason why it has no weapons, just as the Radiant VII (the ship Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon took to Naboo) was unarmed. Thirdly, just Jango being Jango, I'd surmise that his homing torpedo was a black-market purchase, and is not a very common weapon at this point in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted June 25, 2003 Author Share Posted June 25, 2003 If Obis ship doesnt have weapons then why is it called a star fighter? I know about the red color and its meaning but it sure as hell moves like a star fighter. Air Force One has counter measures and its not a military plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 The ship he was in is a fighter. You can see them in several of the Dark Horse comic books. Obi-Wan never used its lasers because he never had a clear shot, was suppost to bring Jango back alive, and Jango was behind him most of the time. My bet on why he used the spare parts as "countermeasures" is so there would be a cloud of debris after the missle detonated. That way his 'dissapearing' off Jango's radar would be more authentic. Prehaps the Jedi Starfighter simply doesn't have any countermeasures and relies on the pilots' skills and abilty with the force. I haven't played the Jedi Starfighter video game, so I don't know. Has anyone played it? The X-Wing didn't have any countermeasures either, in fact no starfighter has ever used them that I know of. I've played all the X-Wing and Tie-Fighter games, and the only countermeasures I remember are the radar-jamming beam weapons on the Emperial fighters. They certanly don't ever use any in the movies. Interesting question you had JediNyt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted June 26, 2003 Author Share Posted June 26, 2003 Actually in X-Wing Alliance there are countermeasures. Flares and chaffs. Your right that they arent seen in the movies but thats just cause we havent seen anyone chased by a missile other than Obi. I like your idea about leaving ship debris so that Jango is more likely to believe that he got Obi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Ah, ya got me, I never played Alliance. I'm a bad pilot... XvT was the last of the fighter sims that I bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiMP RABBiT Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Maybe the missile would have sent a message to jangos ship if it was destroyed by normal counter measures or something. But i cant see why obi woudnt just use the force to send it of course or something. Maybe he was concentrating on flying to much. I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_Dark Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Originally posted by Random My bet on why he used the spare parts as "countermeasures" is so there would be a cloud of debris after the missle detonated. That way his 'dissapearing' off Jango's radar would be more authentic. Yes, I'll go with that. In fact, that's a trick that was used by WWII Submarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 My bet on why he used the spare parts as "countermeasures" is so there would be a cloud of debris after the missle detonated. That way his 'dissapearing' off Jango's radar would be more authentic. Ya, just destroying the missile wasn't enough, he needed Jango to think he was dead otherwise he'd keep on attacking and one of them would have ended up dead, when Obi Wan needed to follow Jango in order to find out that Dooku employed him etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 If there were contermeasures in the Star Wars universe, don't you think the Death Stars would have had them? But they don't otherwise they couldn't have been destroyed by proton torpedoes. And if the "ultimate power in the universe" doesn't have any, why would a mere Jedi starfighter have them 20 years earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 The imperials did not believe one fighter to be a threat the deathstation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Perhaps they didn't, but capital warships could carry torps, and the Death Star was designed to defend against them...and anyway a little common sense- if you're not going to defend against star fighters, at least put a defense against their most powerful weapon (one that can conceivably hurt capital warships). Btw- if there are countermeasures (which I don't think there are) they probably would be in a Jedi Star fighter armed only with lasers- but they might be in a Republic army fighter (ie. clone fighter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Jedi StarFighters or Delta7 were equipped with laser cannons but since Jedi were peace-keepers they didn't have to use the fire-power of these nimble fighters untill the Clone Wars, so IMO i do think lucas was right to include the spare parts scene as it adds a motive to the scene in the EP4-ESB when the falcon takes off from the Star Destoyer, who notices the same trick Obi-Wan?? Boba Fett,so it adds a neat repeitive motive for the movies as Lucas likes to mention or display stuff from the CT. (All this IMO of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiMP RABBiT Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Originally posted by boinga1 If there were contermeasures in the Star Wars universe, don't you think the Death Stars would have had them? But they don't otherwise they couldn't have been destroyed by proton torpedoes. Completely off the subject, it seems amazing to me that a flaw like the exhauste vent could have been made. I mean even a grill over the front would have prevented the destruction of the death star (sorry 8 of 12). You'd have to be pretty thick to over look of something like that even if it is a big station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaNothing Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 There was AA on the deathstar, thats why alot of fighters and bombers were shot down. bombers were orignally supposed to destroy the deathstar, no? the flaw in the plans wasnt put there intentionally obviously, the station obviously cant operate without and exhaust vent and it was vulnerable to attack and lets face it, its a movie so stop finding little flaws, if they werent there thered be no movie and no story and so fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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