Jedi_Monk Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 I've heard many times that Darth Vader in, I think, Dutch means Dark Father. Lots of people see this as a hidden foreboding of the relationship between Luke, Leia and Vader. But the name Vader dates back to the earliest drafts of Star Wars, back when Luke's father was The Starkiller, a Jedi Bendu and leader of the Rebellion. So why Dark Father? In Episode II, we hear how Anakin wants to control the galaxy, how he wants to become the most powerful Jedi to "stop people from dying". He wants things to get done in the Republic... the Senate isn't doing it, so he supports the Emperor, "someone wise". The motivation behind his turn seems to be good intentions, perverted. I'm guessing Anakin is one of those people who believes the ends justify the means. So, he wants to dominate, with the intention of helping people. He becomes this zealot, this Dark Enforcer because he truly believes that the Empire will be able to make things better--once the Rebels are cleaned up. And he does want to end the "destructive conflict", with Luke's help. Maybe the reason he's taken the name Dark Father is because that's what he wants to be for the galaxy. He wants to play father to the entire galaxy. Protect it, keep it in line, discipline it. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 I agree Anakin's intentions were good ones, but I also believe he lost site of that when he became saturated by the dark side. Of course, we know deep down he was good, but it took a lot bring that good back out. He may of started out wanting to protect the Galaxy, and I don't believe he ever wanted to turn to the dark side, but he was just too frustated that nothing was getting done and noone was taking full control. This is why I believe he joins Palpatine, and I do think he does become truly evil. Episode 3 will be very interesting in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Vader is the Dutch word for father, that is correct. Darth however is not an exisiting word in Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 16, 2003 Author Share Posted July 16, 2003 Vader is the Dutch word for father, that is correct. Darth however is not an exisiting word in Dutch. Well... the Darth part isn't important... I got the father part right, so yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I don't think he took the name Father to show he wanted be Father to the Galaxy. I think he took the name because he knew he had a son, that son was hidden from him and he regrets not being able to see him grow up etc. He takes the name Dark Father as a symbol of his anger at loosing his son imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 17, 2003 Author Share Posted July 17, 2003 I think he took the name because he knew he had a son, that son was hidden from him and he regrets not being able to see him grow up etc. He takes the name Dark Father as a symbol of his anger at loosing his son imo. Ah, but that brings us back to the question of why was he still named "Vader" in those early drafts when he wasn't the father of Luke and Leia? I'm thinking it's a reference to the fascist state. Kind of like Big Brother. The dictator trying to convey himself as a paternal influence just doing what's best for his "children". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleto4_ryan Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 well maybe its both... he kept the name as he was something like a parent to the galaxy... and he knew about his son that he loast thus he was a darth father. a father without son, a father without being beside his son... oh and also... as for his motives a person doesn't go to the dark side intentionally. If he knew it was the "dark" side he wouldn't go. He sees it as the "light" side. He messes the good and bad meanings.... Anakin messed it up....and the mperor helped a lot to that. and also the time situations... That qui-gon died... that obi wan was his master at an early age(obi's age). that he was a slave in tattoine and he wasn't found when he for born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 oh and also... as for his motives a person doesn't go to the dark side intentionally. If he knew it was the "dark" side he wouldn't go. He sees it as the "light" side. He messes the good and bad meanings.... I disagree there. I think Anakin's emotions drove him to the Dark Side. His love for his mother, his love for Padme, his resentment of Obi-Wan for standing in the way of both of them... but is Anakin under the delusion that he's still on the Light Side? I really don't think so. He's doing evil left and right. That's not to say he doesn't think that by his evil actions he can't ultimately bring stability to the galaxy, I think he does believe that. But I really don't see how he could believe that the Dark Side is the Light Side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleto4_ryan Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk But I really don't see how he could believe that the Dark Side is the Light Side. well not truly thinking light is dark and vice versa...it's a mess of his phycology. If you go and have conversations with some "evil" men you'll understand that they don't understand that they have passed the line of good and bad.. But again that's too much reality. After all Star Wars is a space-fairy-tale and that's why it's interesting...And as in every fairy tales there are the evil wizards that do know and want to be evil...So.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another_trooper Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk But I really don't see how he could believe that the Dark Side is the Light Side. But doesnt the dark side cloud your judgement or something like that ? (according to Yoda, I think:D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesia Daoke Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 thats new to me but i think it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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