lukeskywalker1 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Are there any women on board? Kurgan, ever notice there arent too many women in star wars? Lets list em' (non EU) Padme Leia That fat woman in Jabba's Palace The dancer in Jabba's Palace The 2-3 singers in Jabba's Palace A naboo fighter pilote in TPM Padme's "servents" The new queen in AOTC Anakins mom Aunt Beru A few woman in courascant Zam Wessel (think thats the name) Members of Padmes family Some senaters That securla jedi.... i dont remember the full name... and other jedi various jedi on the counsel. That woman hutt in TPM mon mothma the fake senater that died in AOTC *might* have been a few on bespin in ESB i think thats about it... most of them were added in the new movies, i guess lucas relised he only had maybe 10 woman in the old movies........ I guess the Empire didnt like woman, because the empire ruled most of the galaxy in the OT and there arent that many woman... unless they were alian or slaves in jabba's palace. Am i right... or am i stupid and missed half of the women in the movies???? It might have been adressed already, but i think the reason the clones did not shoot down dooku is because palpatine told them to keep him alive, since he was his apprentice and dooku was imperative in palpatine's plans. That cant be right! At the end of AOTC they were shooting (with padme) at dooku's ship... if a few of those shots hit just right it could have taken that ship down, and killed dooku. EDIT: Something i never understood, think about this...: No other star wars movies are released, except ANH, no one knows nothing about star wars. It starts, and declares the Empire "evil" Then you see a star destroyer shooting down a rebel ship to obtain plans that the rebels STOLE from the empire.... so who looks like the bad guy? So what if the leader is wearing a big black life support system? Its never really clear what the Empire did wrong.... besides being a dictatorship, which isnt even mentioned at that point. How do we knopw the Rebels were not responsible for the empires rath against them? I dont know... maybe this is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCKieran Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Am i right... or am i stupid and missed half of the women in the movies???? Wow, so just because there weren't many women in the movie, we can discount the roles they played? Without That cant be right! At the end of AOTC they were shooting (with padme) at dooku's ship... if a few of those shots hit just right it could have taken that ship down, and killed dooku. Doubt that. It would have been very unlikely that they hit, and even less likely that a hit would take it down. How much do you know about SW lukeskywalker1? And have you looked at any EU? Ship armour is pretty tough... I dont know... maybe this is stupid. And the whole maybe the empire are the good guys thing... I'll post about this later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Doubt that. It would have been very unlikely that they hit, and even less likely that a hit would take it down. How much do you know about SW lukeskywalker1? And have you looked at any EU? Ship armour is pretty tough... What ship are you 2 discussing? As far as I can remember, Dooku was riding a bike thingy at the time. Even a strafing shot would have caused him to go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benTantilles Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Ship armour is pretty tough.... not dooku's ship. like jan said, he was piloting that bike of his which didn't look particularly durable. furthermore, he was exposed to enemy fire. and luke...sure, a straying shot might've hit dooku. but palpatine must've placed faith in dooku's ability to evade shots that weren't even intended to HIT him. had dooku been hit by 1 of these shots, then, well, perhaps he didn't deserve to be palpatine's apperentice. It starts, and declares the Empire "evil" Then you see a star destroyer shooting down a rebel ship to obtain plans that the rebels STOLE from the empire.... so who looks like the bad guy? So what if the leader is wearing a big black life support system? Its never really clear what the Empire did wrong.... besides being a dictatorship, which isnt even mentioned at that point. How do we knopw the Rebels were not responsible for the empires rath against them? I dont know... maybe this is stupid surely u don't expect an entire list of the empire's crimes to be presented at the start of the movie, do you? no, they established that it was evil in the prologue. the fearsome stormtrooper costumes, darth vader and his ruthless murder of Captain Antilles (as well as john williams' fear-inspiring music) were all acts which painted the empire as evil. as time wore on, the extent of the empire's ruthlessness was made known with things such as the murder of luke's stepparents, the destruction of alderaan and even little things like grand moff tarkin's meeting with the brass ("FEAR will keep the local systems in line") and there're actually a fair deal of women in the star wars universe. sure, the first movie doesn't have that many, but that's mainly because its chief settings were tatooine (luke's homestead was an insolated area. and mos eisley had women.... but they probably looked somewhat like men. not exactly a vacation spot....), the death star (the empire's gender bias dictates that few women serve in their ranks, and even fewer on their most important battle station) and yavin IV (no excuse for not having women there.... then again, pilots are mostly male). in ESB, lotsa women were shown. There were the controllers on Hoth and the citizens of Bespin...that's about it, but then, not many locations were shown. in ROTJ, plenty of women are shown, too. There're those in jabba's palace and those in the Home One, the mon cal cruiser. They, too, were the 2 chief locations. And in the prequels....well, i won't go into it, but take my word for it---there're a lot of women there, too. jedi, senators, citizens...too many to take note of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Wow, so just because there weren't many women in the movie, we can discount the roles they played? Without i was just saying thare arent a large ammount of woman, because of kurgans post up top (about woman in the deathstar) How much do you know about SW lukeskywalker1? And have you looked at any EU? Ship armour is pretty tough... I know a decent ammount, i dont study it... but i know a lot.. The main EU i know of is what happens in the video games.. (notice i said non EU) Ive read maybe 5 books... and know some stuff here and there. oh BTW, stormtrooper costumes doesnt mean the empire is evil. I realise it said that the empire was evil in the text thing, but still. I was mainly talking about the first few minutes... how do we know the empire wasnt getting revenge on the rebels (after all, the rebels stole there plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Another thing that doesnt seem right, is that you can hear sound in space. For instance, the sonic charges Obi carried. Technically, it'd just go silent through the boom. Not silent then a big boom sound. Since space is a vaccum, and has no medium for sound to travel through. 1) Because the space slug has an unusual tendancy to create a massive center of gravity. 2) Easy. They just went to a custom Light-Flight space port, and then traveled to Bespin. They disguised themselves as Borris, Norris, Bullwinkle, and Rocky. 3) I imagine teleports. Lots and lots of teleporters. 4) Because Shimi was doomed to die from the beginning. See, she lived her previous life as a Mandalorian assassin, and had too much bad karma to keep on dying repeatedly the next few millenia. She was last an Ewok that became dinner for three wampaas. Dont ask. 5) It cant be because the stormtroopers are weak willed. After all, they're clones of Jango Fett. The computer malfunctioned. More importantly, they didnt they just nuke the hell outta the stadium right then and there? I mean, two Jedi's and an ambassador arent that important when they could end the war right then. Hell, they risked thier lives after anyway. 6) Again, which is more important? Two jedis, or millions of lives? I think Yoda isnt as wise as we make him out to be. Besides, if Yoda DID let Anakin and Obi die, that'd save alot more lives from Anakin becoming Darth Vader. 'course, if Palpatine was able to somehow gain the power he would have in the old trilogy, then they'd all be screwed. 7) She was forced to. Nute Gunray said that if a gungan politician wasnt elected in 10 years, then he'd declare full scale war on Naboo. Jar-Jar was the closest gungan at that time, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Just one point. If the movie was too close to reality(in other word, no sound in space) it would be really boring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celluzion Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 1) I succint that the belly of the slug has gravitational pull, I have no idea how, but if it didn't it wouldn't have been able to reach out and snap at the Millenium Falcon and retreat back, or even stay in that cave without floating out. 2) It could have taken them Earth-Weeks or even months to have reached Bespin, because there is no way Luke could have learnt what he learnt in such a short period of time. Eg. Duel without cutting himself, he'd have had some experience in duelling and a stronger control of the force; use the force to jump that high when he was pushed into the carbonite chamber. 3) The Death Star is a mystery to me, just take it into account they have advanced technology, heck, if they can freeze people in a shell and travel at lightspeed, Death Stars shouldn't be a problem. However, I think they got around the Death Star in some sort of bullet train transport, just like in Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Oucast, where on the Doomgiver, there was a transport system in one of the areas there. Same thing applies to the Super Star Destroyers. 4) I do not think the Jedi Council would have approved of Anakin freeing his mother, remember, Jedi are brought to the Jedi Academys at a very young age. Love for their mother would have brought certain disruptions in the training, and would be an obstacle in their training. And more pressing matters were at hand. 5) Count Dooku, A.K.A Darth Tyranus\ Darth Sidious, had something to do with the creation of the Clone Army and could have had told the Cloners to program something inside the Clones which could recognize Tyranus\Sidious and not kill them. It is possible that the damage sustained by the ship could have disrupted its systems, giving out an incorrect read-out. And they did not use the lasers because if you remember correctly, the ball-things were situated at the side of the cockpit, shooting the lasers at a target directly in front could damage the ship itself. 6) Crap, my previous point was unrelevant. Yoda probably did not drop the column on the ship because of fear it would explode in the hangar itself and in result killing Yoda himself and the two Jedi. 7) Padme is young and naive. Nuff' said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 How much do you know about SW lukeskywalker1? And have you looked at any EU? Knowledge of EU does not give you knowledge of Star Wars. It gives you different theories and viewpoints, but the movies are ll you need to know about Star Wars. As for women in Star Wars, it's true there are a number of minor female characters, but they are extremely minor. I speak here particularly of the Classic Trilogy, not the Prequels, where the female situation has been somewhat addressed. But in terms of name-able or at least significant characters, I'd say the count in the Classic Trilogy is this: Leia Mon Mothma Oola (Twi-lek dancer) Toryn Farr (Chick who announces the Ion Cannon) other Jabba's dancers Other females are just background and not memorable. I define his be going to a non-Star Wars fan and saying "you know that chick who says 'Many Bothans died to bring us this information'" and they know who you're talking about. You aren't going to have as much success trying to get someone to remember the those twin chicks at the Cantina. To this end my friends and I have often joked that Luke didn't have to hard a time guessing Leia's identity: Obi-Wan: That is why your sister remains safely anonomous. Luke: Mon Mothma! Mon Mothma's my sister! Obi-Wan: Er... no. Try harder. Luke: Umm... Oola's my sister? Obi-Wan: Your insight does not serve you well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 5) It cant be because the stormtroopers are weak willed. After all, they're clones of Jango Fett. The computer malfunctioned. i dont know about that, i dont think the stormtroopers were jango's clones. After (i know this is EU) Kyle Katarn joined an imperial academy, to be trained. In the JA demo, you here about how a cultist was talking about how he used to be a stormtrooper. Also in JK2, an imperial commander was questioning a stormtrooper and asking "how long has it been since you graduated?" and then in force commander you could see they were people. But thats all EU... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InitialD Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Originally posted by benTantilles perhaps he felt reluctance at killing his former padawan...he's not perfect, ya know. or maybe it was against the jedi principles--or HIS principles-- to take such offensive action.[/b] Yeaha nd in ROTJ, Yoda said to Luke: You must face Vader! Now that doesn't seem fair to Anakin as Dooku got away with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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