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[Comm539]

You closed the other thread, so...

No point in flaming etc, no point so just this:

 

No combo's, no groundkills (you know what this does to s/o ctf?), no grip kick, weak forces etc.

And whats with the sabers? Why they so weak? It feels like your waving a breadstick around.

Whats the point of the new 'kata'? They leave you open forever and only hit if someones dosile (noob) enough to walk into you and stand right beside you. Sure they looks nice, but its just eyecandu for the rpg ppl.

JA just seems like the dream game for all the noobs who played JO running round with blue style dooling people screaming "i owner luke skiwacker" and crying when they get kicked.

 

This isn't meant to flame JA, its just constructive criticism. You say "leave them to it" Well we left them to it and they came back with this. Only through the community saying whats they like/ don't like such as this can lucas arts know what people want changed.

Peace.

[kazesan]

I think taking out kick was a great idea. So many people thought this game was an uber kick fest and that the sabers were meaningless. Now in JA you get stronger sabers capable of wailing on someone. Noone is going to be spamming blue btw. I played a FFA server and single sabers were the minority.

 

The staff and dual twirls are abused and the damage scale seems slightly skewed. However I think single saber can stand up to dual and staff. Specials are going to be spammed though. You will see a twirl or a kata every 5 seconds. Of course this is because of the massive damage the moves do and the fact that they can't be blocked.

 

Siege mode however is awesome. No more whiny BS RPGers or amsit goons. Hoth felt like hoth. I WAS a snowtrooper taking the base. The fact that I could set up an EWEB stationary cannon whenever I wanted was also awesome. The other two maps don't seem as good as hoth, but I never quite figured out what to do in the desert, and Korriban was a frenzy.

 

The katas are not pointless btw. They are the best moves in the game. Many people do walk into them although you shouldn't call them n00bs seeing as how the game just came out you're a n00b too. Plus if you get 1 or 2 hits in with the kata before they get out of range then you could kill them then and there.

 

Its too early to make judgement calls on what is right/wrong and if it needs to be patched. I think siege is great and needs more maps and vehicles.Poweduel is also much fun. I played one ctf map with bots and it was great. I havn't played original duel yet but I will check it out today.

 

Just cause you don't like the game doesn't mean others don't. The game is about sabers, and saber fighting. There isn't a grip icon on the box so stop complaining.

[Prime]

Just give the game a little time and everyone will learn what the good strategies are

[Comm539]

Oh thank god they don't whore blue style anymore...They just have the duel sabers now The duel sabers "wook like anikane fwom Attack of teh clowns, but i own anikane...and darth wader!!!1111" Please, your point strengthens the argument. Kata's take ages to complete, leaving you open forever if you miss and the chance of actually hitting is practically zero (providing you don't play noobs). Its like the people who used to dfa whore in duels...great tactic.

And its never too early to judge no kicks in ctf. Kick is needed in s/o ctf, groundkills too, especially on a pickup server and and now sabers do miniscule damage and theres the new uber drain power, cappers have nothing to worry about, just run and cap.

[Master William]

You, my friend, have obviously played it for just a second and then made decisions.

 

Play it for a longer time. And the kata always kill my enemies...

[Comm539]

Oh man, maybe we can dool william!!11111

Well i bought the game this morning, but i've been playing for quite abit longer, it doesn't matter, anyone can see these things.

I reitterate, kata's will only kill someone stupid enough to run into it...fair enough, kata can be the new dfa (since dfa isn't instant kill anymore), but with the uber drain and the reduced damage from normal saber attacks, s/o ctf becomes a standoff. Kicks are needed.

The drain is even more ridiculous for duels. Duels are again a standoff. It means you have to go light and keep absorb on all the time.

[Icasaracht]

Drain is definately uber. I love how it fills up my force bar when I have absorb on.

[DigitalVapor]

Did you just ADMIT to playing the BETA?!?!?! Where's a mod when you need him. You cant go judging an entire game when you have only barely played THE FINAL PRODUCT. How many times do people need to be told the beta wasnt finished and had various problems. Now go take a closer look at the press releases, developer interviews and PLAY THE LEGAL VERSION!!! You will learn that every one of your complaints (except maybe the dual twirl whoring, thats irritating) Are unfounded. The saber combat is fine, the game is well balanced, and you need to give the grip-whoring a rest. You dont even have the right to pass judgement since you played an illegal copy of the game. KURGAN!! GET HIM OUTTA HERE PLEASE!!

[DigitalVapor]

OOPS SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST. I THINK ITS FIXED NOW

[traj]

These are the same people who called the best FF players in the game kick whores and force whores. They're as happy as pigs in **** right now.

[traj]

Originally posted by DigitalVapor

Did you just ADMIT to playing the BETA?!?!?! Where's a mod when you need him. You cant go judging an entire game when you have only barely played THE FINAL PRODUCT. How many times do people need to be told the beta wasnt finished and had various problems. Now go take a closer look at the press releases, developer interviews and PLAY THE LEGAL VERSION!!! You will learn that every one of your complaints (except maybe the dual twirl whoring, thats irritating) Are unfounded. The saber combat is fine, the game is well balanced, and you need to give the grip-whoring a rest. You dont even have the right to pass judgement since you played an illegal copy of the game. KURGAN!! GET HIM OUTTA HERE PLEASE!!

 

Maybe he played the game at his friends house all day yesterday nub. You dont know. GET TEH HALL MONITOR!!!!!!!

[DigitalVapor]

I made an educated guess based on the context of his comments. He complained about game issues that were evidently present in the beta. Human induced problems such as saber-twirl whoring are one thing but actual gameplay issues are somthing else. I got my pre-ordered copy yesterday afternoon and none of the "breadstick" problems he complained about were there, but from what I have heard, the BETA version's saber combat was crap because it wasnt finishd or balanced. And given the odds of someone having played the beta (these people inexplicably complain the most too I have noticed) Chances are quite strong that he played the beta and didnt understand the part where IT WASNT FINISHED. I admit, I was even a little tempted to hunt that beta down but I didnt. I have a longstanding loyalty to Lucasarts and now to Raven as well. Every SW game I have I bought legitimately, and I have alot of SW games. I have the entire DF series now and a TON of other SW games. I fought that temptation for many reasons, Loyalty, Legality, and the fact that I didnt want some buggy, half arsed version of the game spoiling my view of the retail version. So maybe he didnt play an illegal copy but the odds are strongly in favor of him playing the beta based on his comments.

[kazesan]

CTF is something I don't know about. I havn't played JA CTF yet so I may agree with you. However I never kicked alot in JK2. Actually I never kicked. I never played FFA though. There are still combos though. Grip+saber throw I think is in. Plus the opponents saber turns off so if they don't push out they are dead. Also new combos like lightning/drain and absorb/protect are also in.

 

I hate all the RPG people. I also hate all the whiners. If you don't like the game so be it. Mods will come out and JK2 will still have servers in the mean time. JA is a huge improvement on JK2 IMO. You actually use the lightsaber as a deadly weapon instead of as a shield against guns. Also *gasp* more than 1 stance is useful now. All the sabers have their uses. In fact in the FFA I played first and 2nd place were single saber users. (I was 2nd )

 

I'd much rather spam katas and hold on the attack button with dual sabers than spam DFAs and tap the jump button frantically.

[Kurgan]

People who played the illegal beta just shot themselves in the foot IMHO.

 

You gave yourself expectations of the game that were unrealistic and set yourself up for disappointment. NO SYMPATHY FOR YOU!

 

Anyway, Kicks are still in the game, according to Raven, it's simply a server option (look at the documentation for the Win32 dedicated server).

 

As to ground attacks, I don't know, I haven't tried. But look in the "moves" section in MP help (in-game).

 

As to the sabers being weak, you do know that the saber only game modes have weaker sabers by default? You can change this by using the Saberdamagescale cvar.

 

Raven did this ON PURPOSE because people complained so much that the sabers in FFA/CTF (with other weapons) were too weak, but the sabers in Duels weren't weak enough (duels needed to be longer). It could very well be that the same logic applies to "Saber Only" mode, so change the cvar to your liking.

 

The console is a wonderful and powerful thing, and if used properly to its potential, I think a lot of these complaints will disappear.

[traj]

So if all these servers are tweaking damage scales then we will have to adjust our play for each server we visit? Sounds annoying.

 

I'm not saying this just to be difficult. But say what you will about the saber damage in JA, at least I knew it would be the same from server to server.

[Comm539]

Omg, i didn't even play the beta...Like i'm gonna spend 6-7 hours downloading a half finished version. I actually rented the game yesterday and bought it today. All this 'educated guessing.' I make an educated guess that half the people who post here are the ones who run around blue style (or double sabered now )shoutin 'dool meh i'm luek skiwacker'. Thats my 'educated guess'.

 

a.) theres no ptk and no kicks (or non damaging ones) As traj said all you noobs are happy as hell to fight like 'teh movies' with double sabers.

 

b.) there are no ground kills because of the stupid kick thing. It probably more damaging to you to ground someone else than it is for them

 

c.) sabers are weak

 

d.) no out of l.o.s gripping

 

Fair enough you guys want this out of duels etc. Thats really sounds noobish, but w/e The point is, raven just messed up s/o ctf completely so everygame (that isn't infested with noobs) is a standoff.

Peace.

[Agen]

Um.... It's only been out for a few days in america yet you can announce that ever server without n00bs is a standoff...

You also complain that sabers are weak...... why do you complain if you're so good.

You then insult everyone here by saying half of the community here "are the ones who run around blue style (or double sabered now )shoutin 'dool meh i'm luek skiwacker'"

 

Also it's quite strange that you claim you haven't played the illegal beta but have had more practice.. as far as i know you can't rent a game until about a week after it's out.

 

theres no ptk and no kicks (or non damaging ones)

The end of the world huh Learn how to play JA, not import your JK2 skills.

 

PS: Stop whining.

[Mordred]

Well you call everyone that like the idea of getting rid of the kick and so on a noob, yet to me u just sound like a whining child, because u cant get your own way.

 

and ground kills are still very possible, thier are still other ways of knocking people over without using the old JO style kick

[Master William]

I am enjoying playing the game at my friends house, and I will continue to enjoy it.

Too bad for you, I am guessing you won't get it... (I didn't read all posts very close) Well, I guess I'll see you online in JK2 or Dark Forces if I ever try it.

 

[traj]

You must play alot of FF/SO CTF

/sarcasm

 

I couldn't care less about the other game types, I'm talking solely about FF duels and FF/SO CTF.

 

You try chasing a good FC around a giant map when he's got speed+absorb on and see how handy your katas are.

 

Good luck to you sir.

[Rad Blackrose]

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator

The end of the world huh Learn how to play JA, not import your JK2 skills.

 

PS: Stop whining.

 

Wow, considering the fact that the saber is a complete piece of **** in JKII, kicks were relied on because you could create reliable combos with them.

 

I'm getting sick of educating relentlessly idiotic halfwits like you on why JKII was a failure in terms of saber combat. Waah! He's using PTK or GK! Cry more. Maybe Raven will take out all saber stances, revoke the force powers, and put away guns. All we will have is a whacked out blue stance with sabers doing 1 point of damage per contact.

 

Kurgan: Saberdamagescale is a solution, I will give you that, but what about those who fail to implement it?

[NeoTyranus]

Rad my old IDS buddy how are things going?

 

To be on topic, I agree with Agen and Rad

 

JA has changed a great deal from JK2, although I dont agree with all the changes, its simply a matter of adapting to JA, instead of importing JK2 skills (although having experience in JK2 helps a grea deal)

 

The saber was crap in JK2, therefore more people relied on the kick and DFA because like Rad said, they did quite a bit of damage and could be used to create reliable combos.

 

Now that those techniques are gone, all the more reason to adapt to the changes, or heck just mod it.

[Prime]

Originally posted by Comm539

I actually rented the game yesterday and bought it today.

So let me get this straight. You rented Jedi Academy and played it, and thus found out that it had all these big, life-shattering problems, and decided you didn't like it. You then proceeded to head out to the store the next day and throw down a fair amount of cash for this same game you think is aweful. Dude, you stuck it to yourself this time.

 

Originally posted by Comm539

a.) theres no ptk and no kicks (or non damaging ones) As traj said all you noobs are happy as hell to fight like 'teh movies' with double sabers.

Yes, I like that is is like "teh" movies, sure. It is a Star Wars game after all So kicks are removed. So what? Surely there are other ways to score kills. But I guess there aren't, because you have been playing the game you hate long enough to found out that there are no other options.

 

Originally posted by Comm539

b.) there are no ground kills because of the stupid kick thing. It probably more damaging to you to ground someone else than it is for them

So your saying there is no other way than flip kicks to knock someone to the ground. How long have you been playing?

 

Originally posted by Comm539

c.) sabers are weak

They are stronger than they are in JO FFA, that's for sure. Raven designed it so the damage is much higher in gametypes like FFA, CTF, and so on compared to Duels. Red stance as often a one-hit-kill. How much more damage do you want them to cause?

 

Besides, this is just a game. Of course it isn't going to be perfect and there are things not everyone is going to like. Why is it making you ? Is it preventing you from proving your are uber or something?

 

Originally posted by traj

You try chasing a good FC around a giant map when he's got speed+absorb on and see how handy your katas are.

How long is someone going to be able to speed+absorb for? Their Force power is going to drop pretty quickly, especially considering any special move requires force power now.

[GLmig]

Comm539 u say that when we use the katas we stay vulnerable until the kata finishes, i havent tryed this but cant u jump when doing the kata? cant u roll when doing the kata stoping it? cant u throw your saber when doing it to stop it? like i said i havent tryed it but i bet 1 of the sugestions or more might work (i think, i hope)

[Prime]

Originally posted by GLmig

Comm539 u say that when we use the katas we stay vulnerable until the kata finishes, i havent tryed this but cant u jump when doing the kata? cant u roll when doing the kata stoping it? cant u throw your saber when doing it to stop it? like i said i havent tryed it but i bet 1 of the sugestions or more might work (i think, i hope)

You should also be able to use another power (like force push) and that should stop it as well.