eidospsogos Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 okay, this is my second time through the game, and i have just now encountered this issue, and i must say i am disappointed. i played through the first time neutral and as i was more caught up in the story the first time and less in the character building, i didn't realize the level cap was so low. but here on my second time through when i started focusing more on trying to build a really good character, i hit lvel 20 only to find out that that's as far as you can go?!!! what's up with this? i haven't even gotten the last star map yet, and yet my main character has reached a level cap? i mean anyone knows that in games of this nature half the fun, if niot more, is character building. and hitting a cap at level 20 is just a bit ridiculous if you ask me. i mean i know the idea here is that you should not be able to acquire all feats and powers, but geez you should be able to get more than what you were able to. i will only hope this was done for a reason and a future expansion pack of some sort, will allow you to progress further. but i hardly feel your character can gain enough in 20 levels to amount to the jedi you are supposed to be by the end of the game. i don't know how others feel about this, and i am sure it was designed to increase playability, but i don't know if i'll playt though it again at all knowing this. unless of course, i ignore the official bioware sticky and see what can be gained with cheats. any opinions are welcome, but i am disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 I think that Bioware got the lvl 20 cap from NVM. As far as I remember lvl 20 is also the cap in NVM. Personally I dont have anything against this. Why I dont know, but I dont see the big problem with this. The only thing I can see is that you wont be able to max out everything in just 20 lvls, and thats a good thing. Whats the fun in having everything maxed? What will you accomplish by doing this? Anyways I might have more oppinions on this subject once I get the game myself. Right now I dont see what the big problem is here. -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 7, 2003 Author Share Posted December 7, 2003 the problem is that maxing a character out is one of the things that keeps people playing an rpg game despite how many times they've heard the storyline, or played through alternative plots and sidequests. i wouldn't even care if it were not possible to get EVERYTHING. but the amount you ARE allowed to attain in this game seems a little low to me. when i think maxing a character out, i think final fantasy and level 99. BUT i do NOT expect that from a bioware RPG. i would expect a little more than level 20 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Hmm, I take it you didnt play NVN then. I dont really care if your able to max out your char or not. As long as the game is entertaining and good then thats good enough to me. Well, a little more than lvl 20 would be nice, but whats a little more? 30? 40? 50? 50+? -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 7, 2003 Author Share Posted December 7, 2003 i don't think any more than ten to twenty more levels could be handled without insanity with the way your xp increase to reach the level goes up. so yeah 30 or 40 would be good. heck i'd be glad if they just did an expansion pack for kotor like they did with baldur's gate 2.(specifically throne of baal, which adds to your existing areas and new areas to areas you have already been through, etc while letting you use any characters created for the original game and pick up where they left off) it just seems to me that if i'm just getting to the last star map, and i have that far yet to go in the game, then i should not have reached a level cap so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Well maybe you shouldnt have reached the cap so early. I cant really say much more than I already have said, before I have the game myself. I should have it tomorrow. -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 well, like i said my first time through it was no big deal. don't think i hit 20 until close to reaching the final battle with malak. so i didn't even notice that i had reached the cap. baldur's gate 2 cut off around 20 as well. but expansion packs for the game went to around 40. i simply thought maybe they had come to the conclusion people wanted to do more with their characters. (and actually after playing throne of baal for so long i kind of forgot that baldur's gate 2 originally had the cap:)) so, right now i'm just hoping this game will go over well enough that they will be able to make it into a series. bioware has the greatest rpgs, hands down. while i have played other rpgs, like final fantasy, and they had elements i liked i still liked bioware's games, just due to the mechanics of the d&d engine. i was pleasntly surprised when they gave us bigger graphics with NWN, as that was one thing i liked better about the newer final fantasy titles. and i liked alot of the elemsnts they added to KOTOR that brought alot of different things i liked from other rpgs into one title. i.e. mini-games, etc. but the things you can do with characters from a final fantasy game make you want to continue playing it no matter how near the end you may be, just to take your character that one step further. and we got closer to that, with expansion packs for bg2, and i was hoping the trend would continue. i mean the game is great, and this in no way affects my opinion of the game itself. it honestly, right now, is my favorite game ever. period. but i sat down this time to specifically to see how far i could take my character. and i was disappointed with how far that was. i mean granted, i am having no problems fighting anything , but it's just the lust for more power . anyway, i'm not saying it's a bad game. but no i didn't play NWN, the reason for that i am still unsure of. and because of that and that the last game i played in bg2 was from the throne of baal expansion pack, i was just hoping for more. that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Fisher Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Its really fun to go as a level 18 Jedi, but its a lot harder on Taris too, nothing but maybe 20 hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeViNaR Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 the lvl cap is 20 cause the game uses the d20 rules... in nwn the lvl cap is 20 cause it also uses the d20 rules... i think it is fine... i mean...when u get to the lvl cap u should be focusing in upgrading your items and in getting better ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 yes, well i thought that all baldur's gate games were based on the same dungeons and dragons system. and you are allowed past the level 20 cap within some of its expansion packs. so as i said, i will just have to hope this game will be popular enought to warrant being made into a series, or at least allow for expansion packs, and that you will be allowed to port your existing characters into them the way you can with bg2 expansions. in fact if i remeber correctly, the original baldur's gate level capped at 8. so maybe i am missing something. like there being different d&d rules governing these different games. who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Tahu Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Yes,maybe we have to concede to the d20 d&d ruleset,but I'd think,level 20 as the cap in a game,especially a computer game is too short.I'm only 17 hours in the game,and I am already a level 14,which is almost 3/4.So,going at a similar rate,assuming it is uniform throughout,I'd reach the cap by...24 hours?That's a bit short,for me,considering I can beat anyone in the game by reaching lv20 in one day,I'd think it's short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Originally posted by Toa Tahu I'm only 17 hours in the game,and I am already a level 14 I guess I'm gonna take my time, and not go for the lvls. I would rather lvl in the end of the game, than I would at the start. Oh well, I just want the game, then I can worry about this later. -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Tahu Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 "I guess I'm gonna take my time, and not go for the lvls." Wel,do it at your own pace.At my pace,I've reached level 14 at only 17 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I know, thats why I'm gonna take my time. Dont wanna be lvl 20 that fast so I wont have any challenges later on in the game. -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 well, it's really easy to gain xp that fast if you do all the sidequests. and if you don't do them you're missing a large portion of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Originally posted by eidospsogos well, it's really easy to gain xp that fast if you do all the sidequests. and if you don't do them you're missing a large portion of the game. So I've found out. I'm lvl 7 and havent gotten off Taris yet, I still need to find the Apprentice of Rukil and some other sidequest. I've done the Serum one, and currently doing the Ebon Hawk quest. I reckon I'll be lvl 8 or 9 before I get off the planet. EDIT: 1800th post. Yay! -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 IIRC the Star RPG, on which KOTOR is based, has a cap of lvl 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 yeah i read that in the manual. i still thinks its a little low. regardless of the ruleset of the game, or the mechanics of its engine, whatever you want to say the reason for the cap is, i think it's a bit low considering it's possible to hit it so early in the game. it just a bit anti-climatic to me. maybe that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Agreed. I don't mind the lvl 20 cap, since it is actually a part of the real RPG. However, I'd prefer that you'd only be able to achieve that level if you completed most or all of the side quests. I'd rather see a slower progression, especially at the lower levels. As it is now you could probably leave Taris as a level 7 or 8 character. Hell, in the beginning it seemed like you would go up a level after just a few kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 yeah, that in my opinion os the biggest problem. if you particpoate in all of the sidequests, and fights, it is very easy to reach that cap extremely early. i personally was level 8 before getting to dantooine my second time through. however there are things to be gained by waiting to level up before hitting your jedi class. check out the gameplay guide on gamefaqs.com. very godd tips for character building and mixing classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Fisher Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 A word of the wise, don't level up after level 2! Then you get to be a level 18 Jedi, lots of Force powers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 11, 2003 Author Share Posted December 11, 2003 yes, but while not leveling up do you continue to gain xp. i noticed that while i was fighting and not leveling up that when i put my cursor over my character portrait it said xp needed 0. the only other time i've seen it say that was after i hit the cap.... i'm just hoping there's a cap remover or editor somewhere in the works right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrie Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 You still gain XP. Go the character screen, and you'll see how much XP currently have and how much is needed for the next level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted December 11, 2003 Author Share Posted December 11, 2003 okay good, thanks alot. so you won't be losing the xp. so would you just be able to gain those levels under jedi extra quick. and if so, do you lose thing you normal character would gain automatically at those levels. say the scout for instance gains uncanny dodge 2 at level 7. if you decide to wait on levelelip up and do a 5/15 do you lose the things the scout would have normally gained at those higher levels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Fisher Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 No, not that I know of, you don't 'lose' anything if you don't level up when it says to. Its just whenever you decide to level up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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