ET Warrior Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I may not like the Prequels as much as the OT, but i mean, come on, the OT is what made me love star wars, it's pretty tough to replace that spot in my heart. I think they're good movies, worth watching, hell, I saw episode 2 like, 8 times in theaters. People will ALWAYS hate sequels to things that are amazing. The original just gets built up so much in our heads that we think nothing can compare, and we refuse to allow it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 sorta like "dumb and dumberer". (kinda) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johch Ai'oki Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Until I saw Episode 1 again, I was really about to give up on all of the Star Wars movies, give up on SW, block it with ignorance. But it opened me up again. Now, of course, ET Warrior pinned it, because even in my situation, it's true. But I still like Episode 1 and 2. Episode 1 appealed to me because I got to see the Jedi in their prime. They fell from that point in Episode 2, and once again, they'll be at their worst point in years in Episode 3 once Darth Vader arises from the ashes of Anakin Skywalker . ET Warrior was right about how we don't like sequels as much as originals. MIB2 will never be as good as the original. We'll appreciate the original TV shows of thirty or fourty years ago than the movie adaptions made today! Michael Chriton (sp?)'s novels will always be better than their movie adaptions and so on and so fourth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaJango Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Jango was great in Episode 2, and the actor who portrayed him: Tameura Morrison. Obi Wan (Ewan McGreggor) and Mace (Samuel L. Jackson) were great actors as well. The end of Jango pi$$ed me off though, he should have flown around and killed at least 5 jedi and then be picked off by Mace. His end was just entirely unrealistic. The acting of Hayden and Natalie was pretty bad, cheesy as the stuff the french would eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woad Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Well, people don't hate the prequels as much as they're deceived... Ep1 was for kids, Ep2 was for teens(come on now a teen in the middle of his teenage years crisis). Unlike the Originals, the Prequel did not have the same undividable gang. Han(the scoundrel), Leĩa(the princess), Chewie(the big guy), Lando(the suave guy), C3PO and R2-D2(the two comical relief), Obi-Wan(the old wiseman) and Luke(the hero). This is a standard "gang" in many many movies, stories, books, etc. The Prequel didn't. The Originals had these characters that connected to each other and never got separated(well, you know what I mean). Anakin wasn't...good in Ep2...it was bad acting...or maybe I don't watch enough movies about teen angst... Still, both prequels were...lifeless...the Original touched you in a way the Prequels didn't. You felt bad for the Rebels when they got slaughtered on Hoth, you were yelling at the Imperials for killing innocent furballs(I hate you all Ewok haters!!!) and you felt the warth when Anakin finally looks at his son with his own eyes. Sure Ep2 had technology and Ep1 also. Why couldn't they do something good with the Space battles? They were unimpressive compared to the awesome one in RotJ. The Jango/Obi space battle also...oh asteroids...where did I see that? Oh yeah Ep5... GL also seems to have borrowed a lot of the concepts from the OT. Such an example would be the Gungan Army battling the Trade federation. Primitives against technologically advanced foes. Ewoks vs Imperials anyone? Anakin fires proton torpedoes into the generator...then the big orb thing of the Droid Control Ship explodes. Luke blowing up the Death Star anyone? Old wiseman finds force sensitive kid. Obi-wan and Luke maybe? He could have done something a bit more original... The worse of the worse is that he says that the movies are meant to be seen from Ep1 to Ep6 in order...ok now that kills all the suspense, all the plot twist of the Original trilogy. You'll recognize Yoda instantly. You'll know who Obi-Wan is. You know that Vader is Luke and Leia's father. The last one is the worst. It's one of the greatest plot twist of ALL TIME and watching them in order simply ruins everything... Thanks a lot George Lucas... Actually Lucas has said that you won't know that Vader is Luke and Leia's father, at least assuming that is for someone who is watching 1 through 6 for the first time. Additionally supposedly Lucas wants it so that you don't even know that Anakin is in fact Vader until it is revealed to Luke. I'm sure to someone who has already seen 4-6 this won't work at all but if Lucas pulls it off it will certainly help maintain much of the allure of the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggle Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 The acting of Hayden and Natalie was pretty bad, cheesy as the stuff the french would eat. to cheesy even for the french i think:D and your right ewan mcgreggor is pretty good in the films as is sam jackson but i am struggling to take mcgreggor seriously since his "I dont think so" line to dooku quite possibly the worst accent ever heard on screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johch Ai'oki Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I don't care much for accents. They don't bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggle Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 it doesnt bother me i just laugh every time i hear that line, probably just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woad Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 All things considered I think Ewan did a pretty-spot on job with the Guiness voice, though at times it does sound a bit too much like an impersonation. But you are certainly right about that line, something just sounds "off" about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Originally posted by Woad Actually Lucas has said that you won't know that Vader is Luke and Leia's father, at least assuming that is for someone who is watching 1 through 6 for the first time. Additionally supposedly Lucas wants it so that you don't even know that Anakin is in fact Vader until it is revealed to Luke. No...Someone would need to be really dumb not to think that Anakin SKYWALKER is not related to Luke SKYWALKER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woad Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad No...Someone would need to be really dumb not to think that Anakin SKYWALKER is not related to Luke SKYWALKER. You didn't read what I just said. You won't know Anakin is Vader! Therefore you won't know Vader is Luke's Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Originally posted by Woad You didn't read what I just said. You won't know Anakin is Vader! Therefore you won't know Vader is Luke's Father. I'm going to be SO pissed if we don't see Anakin become vader...I really don't know how you could hide it, I mean, wouldn't it be kind of like...obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woad Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Supposedly not, thats's been a big thing for Lucas since he started working on the prequels: to not spoil the big events of the OT. You're certainly not going to see Anakin in his full Vader suit, at least I can't imagine you would. We will probably see hints of it and a few pieces. What the real question is, however, is how are they going to use the Vader voice but not reveal that it is Anakin. Obviously the fall is what puts him on the breathing aparratus, maybe we will just hear his voice in the end but not know it's Anakin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 It'll be James Earl Jones' voice so no Hayden Christense voice for Vader. Not seeing Anakin turning into Vader kinda kills the purpose of Ep3. We all want to see how Anakin will turn into Vader. It's pretty damn hard not to make it obvious. I mean, Anakin becomes Palpatine's new apprentice, then is burned almost to death. Now we see big black robot guy coming out as Palpatine's apprentice... Another thing is Yoda. When we see him at first in ESB, we didn't know he was "the great warrior". Now everyone will know who he is...no surprise anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(AE)Movie_Guy Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 That's why I agree with everyone else who thinks that the Star Wars films should be watched OT then PT. If you watch the PT first, it takes away from the surprise and adventure that we all first discovered in the OT. The PT should be watched second. Then, after you have seen it like so, you can view them in the order of your preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted April 18, 2004 Author Share Posted April 18, 2004 Originally posted by (AE)Movie_Guy That's why I agree with everyone else who thinks that the Star Wars films should be watched OT then PT. That's fair enough, but how many people do you know who haven't seen the (original) films? If they haven't, then they probably wouldn't want to anyway. Even they haven't seen the OT, most people know about Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker, so it's no real big surprise. The original trilogy shows Anakin's redemption, the PT shows his fall. It's fairly hard to maintain a plot twist from a film nearly 25 years old that practically half the planet knows about. Nice to see so many posts on this thread as well. Cheers guys (and gals)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Originally posted by Codja X The original trilogy shows Anakin's redemption, the PT shows his fall. Not exactly true. In ANH, Vader was only the bad guy. It's not until ESB that he grew in importance. The thing is we got attached to almost every single important character in the OT while in the PT no one has our particular love. Well, except for a few that we find cool but none really grows on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woad Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I think he meant the overall story arch of the OT is about the Redemption of Anakin. Besides if you think about it ANH sets up how truly evil this man is, ESB begins to add depth to him, then RotJ eventually redeems him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted April 20, 2004 Author Share Posted April 20, 2004 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Not exactly true. In ANH, Vader was only the bad guy. To confirm what woad is saying, the prequel trilogy shows his fall from grace. ANH hope is set, what 20 years after ep3 and it'll show exactly how far Anakin has fallen - how evil he has become. I fully agree with the unable to really empathise with any of the characters - in the OT the characters seemed start from the bottom of the rung and work their way up - Luke was a farmer, Han was a basically an intergalactic truck driver, Obi-wan a seemingly a senile old man etc... With the PT, they all start out as uber-warriors or rulers of their respective factions - right at the the top their trees. It's hard to relate to someone who rules a galaxy. I suppose it's all setup to show their fall as well - once proud Jedi's going into hiding etc... I still love the pt stories though. Maybe he should have set them up as a series - a la young indy. We could have had a lot more characterisation. As it is, it seems GL is trying to cram too much into too little time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Dark Jedi Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 no probs with number 1 but number 2 was to mushy i.e ani and padme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woad Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Originally posted by Codja X To confirm what woad is saying, the prequel trilogy shows his fall from grace. ANH hope is set, what 20 years after ep3 and it'll show exactly how far Anakin has fallen - how evil he has become. I fully agree with the unable to really empathise with any of the characters - in the OT the characters seemed start from the bottom of the rung and work their way up - Luke was a farmer, Han was a basically an intergalactic truck driver, Obi-wan a seemingly a senile old man etc... With the PT, they all start out as uber-warriors or rulers of their respective factions - right at the the top their trees. It's hard to relate to someone who rules a galaxy. I suppose it's all setup to show their fall as well - once proud Jedi's going into hiding etc... I still love the pt stories though. Maybe he should have set them up as a series - a la young indy. We could have had a lot more characterisation. As it is, it seems GL is trying to cram too much into too little time. Thanks, that's it. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I guess I have to agree too. Although the OT is still better!!! The story is good, never have I said the opposite, but you pointed out the real thing. He's just trying to cram too much into too little time. A movie being mushy is not the problem. The problem was how it was mushy. Their relationship could have been better developped. Unlike Han and Leia who only fall in love after the second movie and we get too have two movies to develop their relationship. This time, GL just put everything into a single movie, from their meeting 10 yrs after to their wedding. Ok you like each other but hell did you have to get married so soon? You don't even know the guy that much. If we wanted a better character development, we'll need a movie as long as the full version of RotK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 yeah, whats the thing with GL stickin to 2 hours max for his story. he's got the money to take a hit at the box office if he adds an hour for story value. i mean the Rings trilogy still did good. anyway i agree w/ Codja X and Woad and the points they made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Yeah I say he makes ep3 as long as it must be. I don't care about my bladder when i'm gonna go see it, I've survived RotK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeo Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Ok, how old was Anakin back in Episode 1 and how old was Padme/Amidala? Cause... seriously... there's got to be a huge age gap. That lil' annoying shrimp grows up into a Hayden so incredibly fast and Padme shows no sign of aging and Obi just grows a beard. And then they get MARRIED?! I find that disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.