DarthDurp Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 prove POLITICALLY that Clinto was a liar and/or sleaze
El Sitherino Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn I am not complaing. I like it when Bush basjhes kerry. that's not what I said, I said bush bashing FROM kerry, because you said kerry bashes bush. and you support bush bashing kerry too?! that just is a steaming pile of hypocriticism.
yaebginn Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 if Kerry is gonna bash bush, he shouldnt complain about busyh bashing kerry. fight fire with fire. Kerrys just a whiner.
El Sitherino Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 and so are you. Also Kerry doesn't bash Bush so.... whatever.
yaebginn Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 was it you who was complaining about people who insult others in debates?
El Sitherino Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 no, you brought up kerry complaining that he bashes bush. and I'm not bashing or insulting you.
Mike Windu Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 He called you a whiner? Let me play you a sad song on the world's smallest violin:violin: No really, it IS the world's smallest violin.
El Sitherino Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 it isn't an insult when you do it. so what, you whine, it's nothing new. Lots of people whine. Hell I whine a bit too.
yaebginn Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 one tihng, I dont whine. bu tyes it is. If there was a gay guy. and I walked up and go, ' you crap packer!' I'd be insuling him ,but it would be true.
Mike Windu Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 So... I can insult you and call you a hypocrite... because it's true? Funny theory you have going there.
El Sitherino Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn one tihng, I dont whine. bu tyes it is. If there was a gay guy. and I walked up and go, ' you crap packer!' I'd be insuling him ,but it would be true. no, because you can't say that. It's all about the things you say. Whiner isn't an insult. and i did not say it in a derogatory tone.
SkinWalker Posted August 3, 2004 Author Posted August 3, 2004 Bleh. If you guys are going to bicker like this, I'm out. I have to agree, Clinton did lie and it was wrong. But I think overall he was a damn fine President. There was a lot accomplished in his two terms and his speaking skills are excellent when compared with the sitting President. I've not seen any Kerry ads that attack Bush with ad hominem remarks, but I have heard several Bush speeches that attack Kerry in this way. There are also several of the Bush ads that distort the truth and out-right lie about Kerry's position on several issues. If you would like examples, I can give them to you. IF the petty bickering stops, that is.
SkinWalker Posted August 3, 2004 Author Posted August 3, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn amd cheated on his wife, and didnt catch Osama when he could've. I mean, clinton was a horrible prsidnet. Bush has cheated the entire country and didn't catch Osama when he could have. I'd take Clinton's brand of cheating any day.
yaebginn Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 when clinton got in, there wasa fine economy and so forth. all he had to do was keep it that way. and I'm seriosu, all of you. I want to have a good debate. an we were just talking about not insulting. and there you go, insanesith. You say you didnt insuklt, I say you did, we are getting nowhere, drop it. EDIT- an how coul dBush've got osama and how ddi he cheat the country?
SkinWalker Posted August 3, 2004 Author Posted August 3, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn an how coul dBush've got osama and how ddi he cheat the country? He could have used the resources (troops, money, weapons) wasted in Iraq, which was well contained on the War on Terrorism. Instead, he deceived the American public into believing that Iraq had WMD and that Iraq was the same as Al Qaeda. No empirical evidence has demonstrated this prior to or following the American Invasion of Iraq. Indeed, we would have had the support of nearly every nation in the world; we would have caught bin Laden; Afgahnistan would be a secured nation and well on its way to being rebuilt; we would have truly struck fear in the hearts of our enemies. Face it. The Iraq Invasion is a failure. Sure, Saddam was caught and he was a bad guy. There are a lot of "bad guys" in the world. Bush is a traitor to the American people for letting us down in Afgahnistan.
yaebginn Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 If you saw yhe press interivew thing. We had intelligence syaing there was WMDs. and Saddam was a way bigger threat than afganistan. we disarmed saddam and now he isnt a threat. we just made the world a bit safer, and oyu're still griping.
SkinWalker Posted August 3, 2004 Author Posted August 3, 2004 Poppycock. Proof that there are those that will believe whatever nonsense is handed to them as long as their core belief system is reinforced. Bush making appeals to authority and the misguided belief that Saddam is/was a bigger threat to the U.S. than bin Laden & Al Qaeda are proof of the deception. History will reflect this as one of our nation's great blunders... right along side the Bay of Pigs.
yaebginn Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 Thats what you say, as a democrat. as a republian, I say he was one of the best presidents, next to reagan.
DarthDurp Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 Reagan was not a good president, he was a great guy, but not a good president. first of all, with the collapse of the soviet union, he was in the right place at the right time. and don't say the arms buildup is what caused their collapse, they were bankrupt as it is. also, another reason why he is not a good president is, so he could pay for the arms buildup, he closed down numerous mental institutions, mainly in NYC. He let out thousands of menatlly ill people out on the streets with nothing. don't believe me? take a walk in central park in NYC on any given day. you can see groups of homeless people that are mentally ill, and that coldheartedness is Reagan's doing, he put a dormant threat in the soviet union as a top priority over all the thingsw he needed to do here, like build up the economy
DarthDurp Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by yaebginn when clinton got in, there wasa fine economy and so forth. all he had to do was keep it that way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no, youre talking about Bush, he had a chance to keep p the surplus that CLINTON CREATED, but instead he decided to go to war AND lower taxes, and the two dont mix. so, he decided to feed off of the surplus to pay for his bogus war.
yaebginn Posted August 3, 2004 Posted August 3, 2004 for starters evry1 syas 'he asa tt the right place at the right time' that is so lame. he was a great president, and you jut cnat stand that
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