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[DarthDurp]

i realize by saying what i said i might have started a flame war, so we better stop it before it starts, sorry.

[yaebginn]

how? if anyone it was insane sith by calling me a whiner. you and I are just disagreeing. as people do in debates. and no, clinton walked into a good economy and such. he just had to keep it good.

[DarthDurp]

just calm down, im not just talking about you. reagan is on a "love him or hate him" basis and it is probable that one of us will throw a flame because the issue is so fragile.

[yaebginn]

I am calm, you cant tell, because its type, not words. but I dont love reagan. I wsnt alive when he was in office, but IMo he was a great president.

[DarthDurp]

i can accept that you thought reagan was a good president, but i cant take your opinion seriously unless you give me some good things that he did and back it up with proof, or else i'll just think you're telling me what your parents say.

[yaebginn]

the whole thing with gorbachav.

[ET Warrior]

Originally posted by yaebginn

the whole thing with gorbachav.

 

Elaborate, what did he do with Gorbachev that made him a fantastic president?

[yaebginn]

stoped him and commanded him to take down the wall. you aren good with history, are you?

[DarthDurp]

as i said before, Reagan had NOTHING to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union, they were on the verge of bankruptcy long before Reagan took office. He could have done nothing, not even the arms buildup and the USSR would've fallen.

[DarthDurp]

i bet that if Clinton got rid of gorbachev and had the berlin wall taken down you wouldn't call HIM a good president.

[yaebginn]

if he didn ,I would, but he dint. so ha/

[DarthDurp]

so ur basically saying its a manner of timeframe, any president at that time would have been good because of the collapse,

 

therefore, he was in the right place at the right time, so what if it's lame, it's TRUE

[yaebginn]

but its time. if clintons bad hadnt made that left turn when he was 16, he maybe would anever met whoever his wife is and clinton woulda never been born. all about right place at right time.

[DarthDurp]

so ur basically saying that its a matter of timeframe, any president who was in office during the collapse would have been great.

 

so, he was in the right place at the right time

 

so what if its lame?

[DarthDurp]

whoops sorry about the double post

[DarthDurp]

but the presidency is not about chance, you cant base the fate of the nation on a roll of the dice. reagan did nothing of importance in his time in office that he personally made a decision for, it was all be chance.

[coupes.]

DarthDurp, you can edit your posts you know... intead of double posting. You can even delete your posts, so I suggest you edit your posts when you have something to add and delete the double posts...

[yaebginn]

but u just said it wasnt about chance.

[DarthDurp]

EXACTLY, thats why i dont think reagan wasn't a good president, because he just happened to have something good happen for him, by chance

[yaebginn]

that reasoning makes no sense. refer to my clintons dad theory.

[DarthDurp]

ur missing my point. you are giving reagan credit for something that was dictated by time, not him, time. he did nothing to make him a good president, it all just fell into his lap.

[yaebginn]

no it didnt. because he has awesome speaking skills. and I assume saddam fell into Bush's lap?

[DarthDurp]

reagan did have good speaking skills, but that hardly caused the collapse, it was their lack of money that caused it.

 

and Saddam didn't fall into Bush's lap, because bush was palnning on invading before he took office, to finish his daddy's job. and one difference between the collapse of the soviet union and the so-called liberation of iraq - the collapse was good for the world.

[yaebginn]

thats all just liberla propaganda

[Mike Windu]

What else do you call politics if not propaganda.