Strange Writings on the Flags

[Shok_Tinoktin]

While waiting for people to join an assault game, I decided to translate the writings on the hologram at the flags. On the Trandoshan flag, I noticed two legible things. The first one was 'Trandoshan', which made sense. The second one, however was strange. It said 'more excellent test is in'. Does anyone have any idea what that is supposed to mean? On the Republic flag, I could read three things. Where it said 'Trandoshan' on the trando flag, it said 'Trandoshan' on the clone flag, too. Where it said 'more excellent test is in' on the Trando flag, it said 'I hate computers so much' on the clone flag. The other thing I was able to read was 'talbotsite dot com'. Out of curiousity, I decided to type it in, and it brought me here: http://talbotsite.com/. Apparently it is the site of Jeremie Talbot who was one of the artists on the game.

 

Basically, does anyone understand why both flags say Trandoshan or what 'more excellent test is in' means?

[coupes.]

It's probably just an inside joke between some of the developpers. And most people wouldn't know the wrinting on the flags say "Trandoshan" so I guess they simply didn't bother to chage it.

[Shok_Tinoktin]

I assumed it was a joke, and that they expected few if any to know what it says. That is a satisfying explanation for 'i hate computers so much' and 'talbot dot com'. But I still don't understand why they would throw something in there that doesn't mean anything (more excellent test is in) and why they would bother to write 'trandoshan' on one flag, but not write 'republic' on the other. The two holograms are completely different with the exception of that one word, and that is strange.

[Kurgan]

I figured they could make up all sorts of jokes. There's alien writing on some of the wall textures in the various MP maps. Translate it and you'll probably find similar stuff.

 

The alphabets they use are available as fonts on the 'net so you could figure it out.

 

[Shok_Tinoktin]

Originally posted by Kurgan

The alphabets they use are available as fonts on the 'net so you could figure it out.

 

They were also printed in the SW Monopoly instruction book, and are memorized by some of us.

 

I'll check it out and see if I can find anything interesting.

 

EDIT: Found one! On the map 'Engine', there are signs posted all over that read: 'Regard: Too many right hand turns makes you go in a circle'.

 

Another: On the map 'Garden', in huge letters is 'Love' and 'XXX'.

 

On the map 'Lockdown' it says '11 Post' outside the red base, and '38 Main' outside the blue base. Wonder where they came up with those numbers?

 

I can't make any sense of this one: on the map 'Ghostship', written all over is 'DFSLKJE CDMEKKA FAE'. I assume it is just jibberish, but maybe it means something.

 

The last thing I found, is that on the map 'Gunship', there are symbols that are not in the aurebesh. They seem to form a 3 letter word and a 5 letter word. I suspect that it actually means something, because one symbol from the 3 letter word is also in the 5 letter word, and if they were making up symbols, I think they could make up 8 and not just 7. Maybe it is some Earth language?

 

Here is what they look like:

[Doomie]

They remind me of that skull on Boba's shoulder. Maybe it's written in 'Mandalorian' wich could make sense, since the clones are actually mandalorians... Dunno where you could find a translation though.

 

Good finds on the other by the way.

[BeBop]

A week ago I decided to also translate stuff. Though I did most of mine in SP. First thing I did: Get Incapacitated so I could translate that text that starts scrolling on the right side of the screen. It reads (there are instance of gibberish sometimes):

 

I know we ve revisited it a ton of time but it just locks out too much of the playe's view to be helpful. I'd suggest either a Halo style 3D world indicator or a 2D indicato at the top of the Based on our Revised project schedule, and after talking with chris, its apparent that it would be good for the project if I delayed my upcoming vacation by a week. Thus I will be gone from monday September 20th for 3 Weeks and will return on Monday, October 11th However, I will still be out on riday, September 10th as my parents are taking a road trip across the country. The sew objective eliose thing makes it really hard to see it's a major imparment to come. (restarts at beginning)

 

So there you go, any spelling mistakes are just the way it was ingame.

[Shok_Tinoktin]

Okay, I've started looking through the single player game for more writings. I did the first campaign, but only found one. On the level 'Strength of Brothers', right after you get Sev, there is a hologram of a Republic ship, and the readable text is similar to the Republic flag, in that it says 'I hate computers so much' and 'talbot dot com'. I'll try to check more of it later.

[Kurgan]

Originally posted by Doomie

They remind me of that skull on Boba's shoulder. Maybe it's written in 'Mandalorian' wich could make sense, since the clones are actually mandalorians... Dunno where you could find a translation though.

 

Good finds on the other by the way.

 

What exactly are "Mandalorians"? Are they an ethnic group? Because the clones were born on Kamino, so they'd be Kaminoeans. Their species is human. And Jango Fett is supposedly from some place called "Concord Dawn" right?

 

All these years we've been told that Boba Fett wears "Mandalorian Armor" but I've never known what that really meant. For all we knew it was the manufacturer or style or material (like "Kevlar" not made on the planet Kevlus III).

[LukeKatarn]

Read the Dark Horse Comic Books. ((I've only read one, and that came with my BH game.)) The Mandalorians were in fact a group, and I would consider them a species. They are not the clones, but Jango is a Mandalorian, and there were many more like him, and he was a mandalorian BEFORE the cloneing, but actually, there IS reason to belive that Jango Fett, in fact, is NOT Mandalorian. EU spoilers ahead

Jango Fett was not actually born a Mandalorian, I belive he had normal Human parents. The only reason he was with the Mandalorians, was because his parents died and Jaaster ((Forgot lats name.)) adopted him. There for, Jango probabley isn't, a Mandalorian.

[swphreak]

Originally posted by Kurgan

What exactly are "Mandalorians"? Are they an ethnic group? Because the clones were born on Kamino, so they'd be Kaminoeans. Their species is human. And Jango Fett is supposedly from some place called "Concord Dawn" right?

 

Once again Kurgan, over thinking

 

Mandalorian were around before Jango Fett. Jango is not the only Mandalorian in the galaxy, and yes, he is human. I consider "Mandalorians" as a Galactic Ethnic group/Clan, besides, there are aliens in the Mandalorion Clans at one point in time. And actually, I think they rename their conquered planets "Mandalore," so yeah, they can be "Mandalorians."

 

And no, the clones can't Kaminoans. They're Human [Clones].

[LukeKatarn]

That is where you are wrong Phreak, Mandalore is the name of the leader of the Mandalorians, not the planets they conquer. And clones are clones.

[swphreak]

Originally posted by LukeKatarn

That is where you are wrong Phreak, Mandalore is the name of the leader of the Mandalorians, not the planets they conquer. And clones are clones.

 

Yeah I know about that, I don't know why I just didn't just look at the magazine. Their "homeplanet" is wherever Mandalore "hangs his mask."

 

And apparently, at one point in time, Mandalorians were actually a species.

 

And yes, they're clones, of a human, thus they humans, albeit genetically altered and junk.

[LukeKatarn]

Lol, I just felt like saying Clones were Clones. Yeah, they are pretty much human, yet not. Cloneing is very confuseing. They aren't really Human because ((yeah, I sound religous here)) they have no spirit. A clone can't have a "Spirit" because they are just a copy. An "Artaficial Lifeform" to speak.

[Shok_Tinoktin]

Not to derail this thread, but:

 

Originally posted by LukeKatarn

Lol, I just felt like saying Clones were Clones. Yeah, they are pretty much human, yet not. Cloneing is very confuseing. They aren't really Human because ((yeah, I sound religous here)) they have no spirit. A clone can't have a "Spirit" because they are just a copy. An "Artaficial Lifeform" to speak.

 

So are identical twins not human? Are those born from in vitro fertilization not human? Are those born by c-section not human? If those are all human, I don't see how clones are not.

 

Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak

And no, the clones can't Kaminoans. They're Human [Clones].

 

I think they are of Kaminoan ethnicity, but of human race. All/most of their customs come from Kamino. Their genetic material is of a human.

[swphreak]

Originally posted by LukeKatarn

Lol, I just felt like saying Clones were Clones. Yeah, they are pretty much human, yet not. Cloneing is very confuseing. They aren't really Human because ((yeah, I sound religous here)) they have no spirit. A clone can't have a "Spirit" because they are just a copy. An "Artaficial Lifeform" to speak.

 

hu·man

1. A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.

 

Seems like they're human to me. Of course in Star Wars they're probably not called that, but for all purposes, they're humans.

 

Besides, "souls" and that crap is a religious belief. Not everyone believes that nonsense. Does that mean I don't have a soul?

[LukeKatarn]

That all depends if you are a clone. ANd yes, I do have those religous beliefs. I'm not bashing you, I just felt like saying why I think CLones aren't human. Carrie on.

[Oidar]

Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak

hu·man

1. A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.

 

Seems like they're human to me. Of course in Star Wars they're probably not called that, but for all purposes, they're humans.

 

Besides, "souls" and that crap is a religious belief. Not everyone believes that nonsense. Does that mean I don't have a soul?

 

I'd consider that comment an open invatation to start flaming.

so maybe we should just stop any kind of refrence to religion now. This could get into a really really really interesting flame war which I think people want to avoid.

Some people do belive in "that crap" and "nonsense" as you so intellectually put it.

 

Next time you'd like to say you don't belive in something, simply say. "there isn't enough scientific proof for me to support a theory like that."

 

I'm going to stop now, cause if I were to write anymore this post would turn out like most of the posts I make at the lucasarts forums..a total flame.

[Kurgan]

In the Star Wars universe the idea of a "soul" seems to be factual reality, not merely a unprovable belief based on faith. Unless we're to assume that Yoda, Luke, etc were all hallucinating.

 

At least Jedi have souls, via the fact that they were able to survive their own deaths and even appear to others and speak to them after their bodies were destroyed.

 

Note how Obi-Wan talks audibly to Yoda, and Luke also hears it, and replies to him.

 

Some people who says "soul" (or spirit) really mean "life essence." The ancients believed that a "life essense" is what kept a being alive. In this regard, ALL living things have souls, and that is the definition of death, when the soul leaves the body, rendering it a lifeless shell or husk. Of course, like the notion of "the heart" being the source of emotion and feeling, it's a concept that not too many people still believe, but in common parlance it's used because "everybody knows what you mean" and it sounds poetic.

 

If you want to argue that Clones (in Star Wars) are "not human" because they "lack souls" you could argue that by that logic that identical twins don't have souls either because they are genetically identical to one another. Or test tube babies... you'd have to establish what is the mechanism for a being acquiring a soul. If it's God-given, then God could choose to give a soul to a clone, just as God could give a soul to anyone.

 

My personal belief? If "normal" humans have souls, then so do human clones. I believe in a soul, so I believe that clones would be no different.

 

From all we know, Clones are biologically human. They're also "alive" in every sense of the word. They are also influencable by Jedi, so it's not as if they "exist outside the Force" (this concept is muddied by the EU insistence that this is how clones were "grown" though one could say that this is contradicted and overridden by the prequels, or it's just another cloning method entirely).

 

 

Obviously in real life some people believe in souls, some do not. If you want to debate that, head over to the Senate Chambers debate forum. Bashing people's religious beliefs in a thread about Star Wars is silly and rude. So let's just not go there, ok?

[Kurgan]

Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin

Not to derail this thread, but:

 

 

 

So are identical twins not human? Are those born from in vitro fertilization not human? Are those born by c-section not human? If those are all human, I don't see how clones are not.

 

 

 

I think they are of Kaminoan ethnicity, but of human race. All/most of their customs come from Kamino. Their genetic material is of a human.

 

I agree. This last part is what is an interesting point.

 

In our world we have only one planet we know of with life, and we have only one "intelligent" species ruling it (humans). We don't call ourselves "earthers" or "earthlings" though both of those terms are used in Sci Fi by aliens referring to us, or some other form like "Terrans" or something. In Star Wars there is no planet "earth" and they are just humans. I can only think of two utterances of the word "human" in Star Wars... Han Solo's comment to Jabba in the ANH SE ("Jabba you're a wonderful human being") and Padme's comment to Anakin in the (re-added) deleted scene in AOTC ("To feel is to be human" or something like that).

 

Humans from Correllia are called Correllians. I don't know of any other references like that, but the idea that every planet has only one intelligent species isn't supported by evidence from canon. Coruscant has thousands of species living on it. Do they refer to themselves as the name of their aliens species or do they identify themselves with the planet's name? Or the "nation" they come from on said planet? We don't know. But we can speculate.

 

We get the impression that human origins in Star Wars are not known. For all we know, humans are native to more than one world and don't consider themselves to be part of that one planet. Putting aside the apparently implausible idea of "paralell evolution" (which is brushed over by nearly all of Sci Fi as a matter of course, taken for granted like sound in space or traveling faster than the speed of light and other impossible conventions), what should we make of that?

 

I called the clones "Kaminoeans" because they were born and raised on the planet Kamino. They didn't come from some planet called "Mandalore" or "Concord Dawn" like Jango Fett may or may not have been. Even Boba Fett was born on Kamino (right?) so he'd be a Kaminoean.

 

Do the "Lama Su Aliens" (those tall skinny pale beings who run the cloning operation) identify themselves as "Kaminoeans"? Or do they call themselves something else?

 

It's like the Native American tribes who's name literally means "the human beings." Yet people refer to their tribal name even though it seems silly to be calling somebody "the human beings" as if you yourself were somehow different than that.

 

Anyway, it's confusing, but I think it would be odd to classify the units of the Grand Army of the Republic as "non-human Mandalorians" rather than "human Kaminoeans" which seems more proper.

[ManaMana]

Originally posted by LukeKatarn

That all depends if you are a clone. ANd yes, I do have those religous beliefs. I'm not bashing you, I just felt like saying why I think CLones aren't human. Carrie on.

 

You're about sould. You dont get a soul when you are born, a soul´cpmes to you. So a clone could have a soul, yes.

[BeBop]

My personal belief is that a soul simply is your life force. When you die, your soul dies. So if you believed what I do, then Clones have a soul since they are alive. But, perhaps I'm the only one who notices how extremely off topic this has gotten.

 

There is writing on crates all over the Kashyyyk levels (mp & sp) but it isn't written in Aurebesh. I think it might resemble the writing on the wall. But then it again it could be different. What does wookie language look like?

[Shok_Tinoktin]

Good find, BeBop. I did a quick check through the Kashyyyk multiplayer maps, and found this:

 

(This may be the reverse of the actual symbols, they appear both ways depending on the side of the crate)

 

Is this what all the crates have, or is there something else?

[LukeKatarn]

Originally posted by ManaMana

You're about sould. You dont get a soul when you are born, a soul´cpmes to you. So a clone could have a soul, yes.

In your religion, sure, but in mine, yes you are born with a soul.

[Shok_Tinoktin]

Found another one (more mystery symbols) in Arena G9:

 

 

This seems to be very different from the symbols from Gunship and Kashyyyk.