shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 yeah Sidious did have that whole deception look in his eyes when he addressed anakin to help him, like, he knew what he was doing. kind of strange, even facing death he still tried to convert anakin to the dark side (just like the situation when Plagueis taught everything to his apprentice and the apprentice killed Plagueis in his sleep). what if anakin let him die? lol, he would have been ****ed out of a lot of things, including his role in A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, lol. not the same acter ofcourse, but the same character. if that happened we wouldnt even be having this conversation. i'm glad we are though. remember the first appearance of the Emperor in A New Hope? he looked like he wore glasses. lol. anyways. it was probably a wise decision for Yoda to walk away, admitting there might not be anything else he could do, even though, knowing that he MIGHT be able to defeat Sidious, he used his oppurtunity to remember the ways of the Jedi: "You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive." A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." Master Yoda this could speak louder; admitting that he was balanced enough to consider the ultimate reality in things and that situation(the good from the bad), peaceful because his decision was influenced by how he thinks; using the force, passive because he cant get over confident and rush into a fight without balance, knowledgeable because he considers all things and defensive because he stands for what he thinks it True; never having to attack but proving that he doesnt have to if he is attacked. Master Yoda was wise. i can see Plagueis in Sidious, even though i really dont know much about him, i can see the quotes Darth Terros put up towards the beginning of the post, influencing how Sidious was. isnt this how its suppossed to be, unless you disagree with your Master and end up killing him for whatever reason? we learn from our Masters point of veiw and use it to kill him, lol. the Sith are ruthless. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Like I said, it's a personal choice that probably irks people In the ROTS novel, Mace Windu and his use of Vaapad was a clear match for Palpatine. Yoda saw into the future that he could not win against the Sith. The Jedi of old were not prepared, so he left so he would eventually restore the order (through Luke). It is said many times that the Dark Side withers away the user's body. isnt this how its suppossed to be, unless you disagree with your Master and end up killing him for whatever reason? we learn from our Masters point of veiw and use it to kill him, lol. the Sith are ruthless. That is what it is to be Sith. The apprentice learns everytihng he needs, then overthrow the master to become Lord of the Sith. But this is for another discussion as this is a thread about Plagueis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 ... Yoda just gave up because he lost his midichlorian cloak..... lolz...you're kidding right ?? mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 It makes perfect sense though. Once he loses the cloak, turn tail and run he does... Mmmmm.... Anyway, that thing about "Lord of the Sith" is nice, but both Sith Lords are called "Lord." Lord Maul and Lord Sideous. Lord Sideous and Lord Tyrannus. Lord Sideous and Lord Vader... Still, if you're the Master rather than the apprentice, it's like, wow, you're the King of an army of two. Big deal! Yoda probably sensed that he'd die fighting this battle, but he should have sucked it up and gone in full throttle. It was his only chance to stop the Sith and he had a great chance at it. If he killed the Sith and then died, hey, at least he stopped the Sith, right? With Palpatine dead, his Empire would be over before it began, then the reforming Senators could fill the gap. Why would Yoda want to go into exile anyway? All his closest friends and basically the folks who've been his family all his life are dead. Of course with his long life he probably has gone through countless generations of students and friends, but still. Basically if he does this, he'll perhaps die himself and Sideous will be dead, but isn't that better than letting the galaxy suffer under 25 years of oppression, billions of deaths, the Galactic Civil War, and dying on some crappy swamp planet? Obviously Lucas wrote himself into a corner here, and so Yoda just had to run away from a pretty even fight. He lost his midichlorian cloak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 "That is what it is to be Sith. The apprentice learns everytihng he needs, then overthrow the master to become Lord of the Sith. But this is for another discussion as this is a thread about Plagueis." if we are talking about one of the most influencial Sith that ever walked or taught, anything, dont you think that it is part of what the thread needs to get you to think on Plagueis? especially if it is about him and his apprentice, being Sidious learned from Plagueis? we cant just get into a theory without contemplating every possible idea about why this is the way it is or what it is about without considering all the facts. and Yoda lost his cloak, lol, and never wore it again...... Yoda could have gone full force, but this goes against his teaching to Luke: "never for attack." Master Yoda. it doesnt mean he couldnt of killed Sidious, it just means that he didnt and considered what might happen if he tried; he could have failed not only against saving the Jedi Order, but failed by losing his life and the Jedi Order never coming back. he had a chance with Luke and succeeded. was Luke even a Jedi after maybe 3 years in training? just because you knew some things on the force doesnt mean you know enough the bring back the Jedi Order, even though Luke did, what could happen to it if he were to have an apprentice who disagreed with his teachings, slew him and started the Sith teachings once again, as the Sith do? the Jedi Order would be in even more darkness because he never truely understood what it meant to know the force, enough to teach it. like any teacher or Master you have to understand what is possible with what you know. like Yoda also said before he died: "Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walk...er.” Master Yoda "pass on what you have learned" is a way for both Jedi and Sith, because in order to teach you need to know what you have learned, what you have experienced with what you've learned and what you know is evident with what to know; by using it. Plagueis was killed for what he taught Sidious, the ways of the Sith, does this mean that even Sidious understood anything other then what his Master taught him? it does not matter his politcal accomplishments, yes, they were part of it, but that is something more complex; but, in everything that we do, we are to be True with what we know, towards how we are in what we do, in everything it is that we do. this can be for either the Sith or the Jedi and is part of them both. if we want to get into a conversation about Darth Plagueis we need to know more information on him. does anyone know where to get this information? seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 ....if we want to get into a conversation about Darth Plagueis we need to know more information on him. does anyone know where to get this information?.... wiki ! lolz, as has been mentioned already there are 4 sources which mention Plageuis *ROTS movie *ROTS Novelisation/Screenplay *Labyrinthe Of Evil Novel (mentioned him first) *SW Databank CUSWE Entry so, until more material is released eg, there were hints at a sith lord novel(like the Darth Bane Novel) which will focus on either him or Sidious - there aint much to go on All that is left is fanboy speculation, which is basically a waste of time... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 yeah wiki doesnt have anything on him, i checked. its got him listed but barely any information. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 yeah wiki doesnt have anything on him, i checked. its got him listed but barely any information. seth lolz... I was being sarcastic... wiki is hardly an official or reliable source. Any clown can write/edit a wiki article, even I have!(check the entry for Lucasforums ) For all and any SW and EU information you just dont need to look anywhere other than sw.com and the CUSWE/Chronology at TFN, which compiles official source material. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 the CUSWE/Chronology at TFN, which compiles official source material. But then again i've found some stuff on that to be not wholly trust worthy and occasionally outdated *remember the Darth Zannah thing astro? seems they changed it for the new version* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 But then again i've found some stuff on that to be not wholly trust worthy and occasionally outdated *remember the Darth Zannah thing astro? seems they changed it for the new version* Yes, but they changed to reflect the changes in the EU material, they weren't making up things. I love how CUSWE lists its sources for each entry. awesome mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yes, but they changed to reflect the changes in the EU material, they weren't making up things. I love how CUSWE lists its sources for each entry. awesome mtfbwya Yeah and at least the CUSWE cant modified by every loser out there like wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 what the **** is CUSWE? seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 what the **** is CUSWE? seth I assume it means Completey Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 question: if it is unofficial why would i want to read what it says? a good sense of knowledge is legit, not questionable, unless you dont know what the knowledge is about; then we ask the questions. like Astrotoy7 said, it could all be fanboy stuff.....but i will check it out anyway. plus, i looked at the site on stuff about the Sith, they have like a few articles on it, with barely any information. whats up with that? how reliable can that be if i am trying to find out information on a subject like, Darth Plagueis; or any other Sith? seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 how reliable can that be if i am trying to find out information on a subject like, Darth Plagueis You'll find very little information because **** all is known about him yet except he was sidious's master and claim to be able to keep people alive thats it nothing more nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 but the power was never proven to exist, especially if Sidious was actually Plagueis' apprentice. in the movie, Revenge of the Sith, Palpetine only admits that Plagueis knew the power, not that Palpetine was his apprentice or was taught the power. ofcourse he couldnt tell anakin that at the time, but he never told anakin that he was Plagueis' apprentice at all after he became Darth Vader; or if he {Sidious} even had that power. why would Sidious talk about a power he did not know; reguardless of trying to convert anakin, why would it be a subject if he truely did not know the ability? man, i can feel this **** in my bones! now i think i can grasp the idea of the dark side and how it consumes you; because it engulfs you to the point you give into it. (control yourself) sorry: writing all this **** gets me excited. i kind of want to go conquer a system or something..... Darth Terros: i offered this of Astrotoy7 and she never responded but i want to offer you the same thing; lets elaborate together and take over the galaxy.....the old fashioned Sith way. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 CUSWE is reliable because people work hard to make it so. It is a good source of information, and more reliable than Wikipedia for Star Wars information. why would Sidious talk about a power he did not know; reguardless of trying to convert anakin, why would it be a subject if he truely did not know the ability? Mainly to convert Anakin. He mentions Padme to get to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 why would Sidious talk about a power he did not know; reguardless of trying to convert anakin, why would it be a subject if he truely did not know the ability? He talked about this power because he knew anakin had been having nightmares about padme dying he wanted anakin to believe the darkside could help her even if it wasnt true so that it make him more likely to choose that path And sorry i decline the offer of joining you as its A) fake and B) I doubt even if i was a sith lord you'd be worthy to even be the guy that gets my Sith robes dry cleaned as you seem to lack even the basic concepts of the sith order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 well since you know so much on the Sith Order, why then arent you some powerful Sith Lord already (theoretically)? you always say something like that, my misconceptions, whatever, yeah, why is it i ask questions then; if not to find answers? i wouldnt wash your robes even if you asked, if you did, you wouldnt like what i might think i am obligated to do then. no trouble started, but, dont try and make me feel like a low life because you have all the answers. i sware, no sense of conduct. why is it that you are this way, especially towards me? i mean by all means, it does not bother me, its on you to come to your conclusions, which effect you, not me. all i have to do is sit back and watch it unfold. but you, you have this mentality towards me that makes no difference whatsoever; lol, funny, because i get to laugh from time to time, or i get extremely blissful when a full out rage comes on and i push all the energy into my very being, controlling it and using it in a possitive way. funny, i'm not so consumed that i have to act out on that rage; so what is the concept of the dark side again? tell me your understanding about the code, if: "you {I} seem to lack even the basic concepts of the sith order." Darth Terros elaborate, dont portray yourself to know if your not willing to explain and back up your theory or ultimate knowledge of the dark side of the force. i will start a new thread for this, actually, its already started: "origin of the Sith: the dark side." seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 well since you know so much on the Sith Order, why then arent you some powerful Sith Lord Its not real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 and that proves that you have no sense of humore whatsoever..... "well duh!" seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Nothing you've said has been in the slightest bit funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaded6 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 maybe not to you or anyone else for that matter. i'm not trying to be funny by the way. if i can get a laugh out of it, i most definately will, without anyone elses opinion. seth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Alright, we've gotten all we can from this thread. In the future, please keep the bickering off the board or in PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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