Darth Avlectus Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hello, GTA! Nice to see a newbie who doesn't bitch over criticism. Well, I didn't know such things existed in the EU, so I imagined it like a loose plasma blade joint perpendicularly to a handle. The point is, that the lightsaber's blade is far more unforgiving than wood or metal tonfas. A small mistake and you'll find your hand chopped off. Now I know that the galaxy is in absolutely no shortage of quality prosthetics, but spending money to buy a prosthetic arm after every third battle will definitely sap the money pool While this is innovative, the standard lightsaber beats it hands down. Why should I bitch? What kind of PMSing smelly overexcited meatbag can't take a hit here and there? A panty wuss. It doesn't exist...yet. Worried about lag over? I always imagined it as a magnetically manipulated particle beam. Particle beams are pure energy, so's a lightsaber. Those are actually not as loose as plasma or flare. Actually laser slim and tight. Laser Swords for slang. I just thought an emitter top bigger and thicker in diamaeter that could be machined for the perpendicular handle would do. No particular changes to the inside of the unit. Give a little space from the position of the stubhandle from the ouput... You dumbasses still don't know what I'm saying? Have any of you yuppies even checked out any images of what I'm talking about? Are all you bungholes so lazy that you can't F***ing look something up? Do I have to do everything? AYE PORFAVORE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sith'ari Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Obviously someone DID look it up and they got the one in wookiepedia. If those aren't what you're talking about, why don't YOU show us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 Obviously someone DID look it up and they got the one in wookiepedia. If those aren't what you're talking about, why don't YOU show us? Uhh, okay beavis. http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/084/f/0/Namco_x_Capcom_Strider_Hiryu_by_sergevirusx.jpg Happy there? Now replace the blade with a saber blade. C'mon--you mean I'm the FIRST to bring this idea HERE? And a sort of telekinetic reactive mooring band. Perpetual magnetics and energy sheld. As well as constant expending of force energy to keep it from hurting you. Course I do see what you mean, sabertooth. Hmm..yea, I guess it would be a do-able, if not all that beneficial or different; you could probably only do the outward forthward bladed stunts --safely. Well, at least the bar might provide a little protection in case leveridge is lost. A vibro blade for the elbow. In the one position it CAN be used, it could probably do a few additional punch/swing/stab/cut moves. Well, S***. Strider is cyborg his blade is metal but might as well be a lightsaber with his whol fusions and ions that can radiate from it. Nice Vibro melee at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Why should I bitch? What kind of PMSing smelly overexcited meatbag can't take a hit here and there? A panty wuss. It doesn't exist...yet. Worried about lag over? I always imagined it as a magnetically manipulated particle beam. Particle beams are pure energy, so's a lightsaber. Those are actually not as loose as plasma or flare. Actually laser slim and tight. Laser Swords for slang. I just thought an emitter top bigger and thicker in diamaeter that could be machined for the perpendicular handle would do. No particular changes to the inside of the unit. Give a little space from the position of the stubhandle from the ouput... You dumbasses still don't know what I'm saying? Have any of you yuppies even checked out any images of what I'm talking about? Are all you bungholes so lazy that you can't F***ing look something up? Do I have to do everything? AYE PORFAVORE? Well a lot of n00bs who make idea theads which aren't liked go like, "If u don't like, don't post, bitch." or "WTF, STFU, N00B." Nice to know that civilized newbies are still in existence. And as for that series of comments down there, well, take it cool, GTA. There are people listening to your idea, and some who are not. Just heed the ones that are and forget the rest. You've got a good start, wouldn't want to see it ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARTH_DANZIG Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 My idea for a new saber style wasn't exactly he baton mock up. Mine was the boa mock up or extended staff handle. This would be a truely awsome weapon, and probably the hardest hilt style to master, especialy boa-double blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 That's the point! NEW stuff. Not so much exotic, but something. Ideas draw the attention of hungry game writers do they not? Sure things I've said could use a little refutation--that's why I post them. A little masochistic I suppose, but my personality is occasionally that of competition. Could you show me a boa pic? Also, they do have extended single handles--haven't you seen the recent set of comics? The sith have not only elongated handles, but nifty and natural, sort of gothic looking hilts. I think advanced-light.com definitely has the right idea here too--as concerning the more tradtional styles. Cortosis handguards--Why not? It's present in the melee weapons newly introduced in the KOTOR series, and much later in the shadowtrooper armor in kyle katarn's adventures. Those guys--the reborns in shadowtrooper armor are amongst the toughest enemies in JK2: outcast. While Honestly there is little difference between tonfa (Or I guess I should call it batton) style I'm talking about from just an elongated hilt of a single blade variant, there are a few benefits as well as drawbacks. Benefits being that there's more to grab for leverage, a few thrusts and swings can (safely) be done that normal sabers can't, and there is the slight bit of protection with the extra perpendicular cortosis handle. Without the saber or even a vibro blade it might be an enhancement to h-to-h combat if not a melee wepon. (The shock/stun sticks kind of sucked--why not have something more lethal like kyle katarn's stun baton? Something like 45-60 sec stun and 10-15max damage + damage to droids...perhaps something with even a short range wireless no-contact ionic stun;a mini-lightning bolt. I know not force lightning, but close enough, especially for those who don't have the force!) Drawbacks, obviously you can't *totally* use it like a tonfa or club, or you lose your arm--or cause other collateral damage. Tough to weild in real life, I can understand the criticisms. Still, the thing in real life is quite a rewarding feat if you can use it. Also, the variation on the style is rather limited (...well-at least it is something, not too radical which is what seems to be what the purists resist most--and for good reason, this isn't megaman, or GTA or Final Fantasy afterall), it does not make too much difference from the regular style single blade. Yea, sabertooth, I try to keep in mind not to respond to *every* little thing, but I want to clarify what I mean if I think some don't get it. True--don't want to ruin it (I thought I was being sarcastic? -admittedly I can be a ball of fire). After all--no sense in wasted energy. I do try to answer the refutations--does you well in college english courses where you are writing essays--and even in general--you certainly sell your ideas better that way. That's the civil way to keep pushin' forth ideas! Patience-Precision-Persistence. Believe it or not, starting out with mutual disagreements instead of commonalities is how some of the best friendships are made--it's tolerant enough to allow endurance of friendship with variance and disagreement... which is something that few friend relationships can make which stared out upon similarities. Oh sure it makes you into a sort of scrouge to the outside, but you find realness with the people who see past it. I'm sure Luke Skywalker never taught anybody that (though I'm sure he will once this post is done). That's a way sith can caress the minds of potential followers--but it is something jedi can use as well to encourage strong friendships..... and remid politicians of commitment to preserving freedom. But I digress--I stick by the batton/tonfa hilt as another viable saber with a few addt'l moves and manuvers. May be harder to pull off fur a few small benefits--but those could be the difference between victory and defeat. At any rate--maybe the one pic isn't enough; shall I post more links to strider hiryu pics? http://www.cosplaylab.com/spotlight/g/200501-10.jpg http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/68/280px-StriderHiryu.jpg http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Flats/8274/Hiryu_slashes_Meio.jpg http://www.chudahs-corner.com/img/cover/c/CPCA-1035_front.jpg Strider certainly hasn't much trouble--his blade, though metal, attracts and emits white hot plasma (cutting awful close to a lightsaber--no pun). He's supposedly cyborg with built in snes for it. All's I'm saying, it 'could' work--though certainly not for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Okay, now this is starting to make sense, with that nice linkage you've provided. I actually like the idea, it's something like a modification for the lightsaber which adds more functionality to the sabre, without affecting it. Alright, this explains quite a bit. But I still don't think it should go into KotOR III, since it goes against the whole concept of the lightsaber being a divine and rare weapon. It'll probably work like a boss weapon for the Sith or something. But I'll admit, this is cool stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Hmmm, how about a combi lightsaber/blaster? Makes sense to strap a blaster tube to the side of a lightsaber, so you can get a few sneaky shots off long range. Might not be good for jedis, but would definitely be a nice sneaky sith weapon. That reminds of some of those horrible lightsaber variants I had seen in an online SW roleplay area. They had this huge database of SW information, which was pretty comprehensive, but half of it was made up. Some examples would include, 1. The Light-axe 2. The Light-reaper 3. Lightsaber Trooper (the people invented this class after the concept image of a stormtrooper wielding a lightsaber) How about a Lightsaber HoolaHoop? Nice way to kill yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 Ok. I though everybody was getting a little hung up on the semantics. A picture varies quite a bit from one great mind to the next. I'm glad at least somebody sees what I mean. It's a saber that I'm using for a character I am currently doing an RP on. I might even make a novel or story if I get enough into it. Somehow I always saw this weapon as an evil person's tool. Definitely sith--or some other boss of some crime thing. They had the right idea with that Twi Lek chick in black sun. And I can see Strider reborn into star wars as also some bad dude. A bad dude that ANYBODY would think twice about fighting up close. Or even at a moderate distance. It would take Nihilus to kill him. OF course if the allaeged SW strider was also a void in the force so he could beat nihilus, then Nihilus could have a real problem. A lightsaber gun... Well, it wouldn't be that different from a Facing Saber or at least the curved hilt--if shaped a little like...a gun (colt python magnum?). Darth Ominous-- my immortal enemy in an RP-- uses one or two of these. The saber blade shoots off an remains intact with a bit of a flare up at its base--and it re ingnites behind the fired shot. Not something to put in KOTOR III, but one hell of a weapon---if, and only if, it could be properly wielded. The logistics as well as a design are a little challenging to imagine, especially for practicality enough to actually use as a lightsaber up close. I would imagine the answer to this would lie somewhere in between DOOKU's or Vosa's (later given to asajj ventress) hilts and a magnum. Some compromise thereof. At any rate, it seems like an ok thing to have a blaster with a saber. Pretty nifty Idea--wouldn't mind having it if I do say so myself. Didn't Bendak Starkiller's Vibroblade have some sort of blaster device on it in K1? Or am I just going whacky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Tonfa lightsabers--if the perpendicular part is a blade, it's too risky--one wrong turn and your arm is gone, and if you're in the middle of a fight, you're dead because your opponent will win the moment you drop your blade. If it's meant to be an auxiliary hilt, it will actually limit movement--if you turn the blade a certain way, the perpendicular hilt will catch on your wrist. If you don't have a tonfa, try duct-taping a short stick perpendicular to something like a broomstick, and then move it all around. You'll find a couple places where it catches. Real tonfas work because the entire weapon is blunt--if it touches the body, it's not going to cut anything. If you have the tonfa-style saber turned the wrong way when your opponent blocks your blade, if he pushes on your blade, he'll push it right into your arm, and then you're done. Lightsaber gun--keep in mind that if you're shooting at enemies, they're also shooting at you, and your lightsaber is supposed to be your defense to block blaster bolts as well as your offense. If you turn off the blade, you turn off your ability to block a blaster bolt, even if it's only for a moment. If I wanted a good blaster, I'd just use that instead of the saber. However, since the saber also serves as your shield, it's unlikely you'd want to drop the blade to take a shot--again you'd lose your ability to defend yourself while you have the blaster part aiming at an enemy. I'm not saying you can't improve on a standard lightsaber, but there's not a lot you can do to it and still keep all its abilities to attack _and_ defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 Tonfa lightsabers--if the perpendicular part is a blade, No it isnt. it's a basic lightsaber with a perpendicular handle near the emitter head of the hilt. With all due respect: Did you even bother to LOOK at the links I provided above?! OR the other posts? A perp blade? One wrong turn and it might be anything gone-- No thanks. Arm, head, leg, vital organs. If it's meant to be an auxiliary hilt, it will actually limit movement--if you turn the blade a certain way, the perpendicular hilt will catch on your wrist. If you don't have a tonfa, try duct-taping a short stick perpendicular to something like a broomstick, and then move it all around. You'll find a couple places where it catches. Real tonfas work because the entire weapon is blunt--if it touches the body, it's not going to cut anything. If you have the tonfa-style saber turned the wrong way when your opponent blocks your blade, if he pushes on your blade, he'll push it right into your arm, and then you're done. Fair enough; HOWEVER (not to sound too abrasive, but), I DID say above there would have to be safe limits to using the style. It could not be used tonfa style completely. SHOULD NOT be used all the time either--for those reasons. One SHOULD NOT use it tonfa style all the time and that one would need to switch off back to regular lightsaber style as needed...... If you would look above more carefully. The perpendicular hilt I can establish as an "extra". Between battles it could be unlocked and unscrewed--and just used as a regular saber. Some tonfas are not always blunt. I've seen a few with a hook-sword on the outside! I also believe mentioned this, but in case I didn't: At most only a few tonfa moves could be pulled off safely. And I'd recommend *against* using tonfa style where the saber blade comes near the arm and elbow. Just a couple different swings, cuts, and jabs are all that could *safely* be done. Good point. I do have a tonfa. It could be limiting in the areas it catches. Grips in a certain way at certain spots are meant to help remedy this. I would not recommend using the perpendicular hilt indefinitely to fight with. More as just stealth, to be able to take out and behead unfortunate troops, or somesuch. OR to gain leverage. Maybe a different way of blocking blaster bolts--maybe if you release the mooring. Telekenetic/force reactive mooring band keeping the pommel at your elbow--I should have moentioned that before-- Releases upon your command (with enough practice becomes so habitual that it's practically instinct) so you can stop using the safe and limited tonfa style and use as a regular saber. The mooring acts as a strong energy sheild otherwise. The band will only respond to wearer's force 'frequency'. But I would say, again "use as a regular lightsaber as needed". DON'T use it elbow style, ever--especially to fight another one with a saber! It makes a nice leverage grip. With cortosis it makes sort of a barrier--better if a cortosis handguard were more a viable solution without encumbering everything. Well, actually it can be--too much weight and it gets unbalanced and harder to weild. Though not as hard to weild as a giant 90lb. viking axe! However, this was beginning to look less and less viable with saber tooth's comments above. Lightsaber gun-- Well taken. Though I'm starting to get the feeling you either don't read the *whole* posts before you respond, or you are using semantics in a sabotaging way while pretending not to understand. I'd like to believe the former over the latter--you seem to be a nice enough person, if a tad condesending. Of course Carth was sort of that way--kind but condesending. I was only making a comment to "homer's" wise-aleck remarks--actually in kind jest. I suppose I should have said it wasn't really serious as a wepon--(how would basically a .357 crossed with a facing saber hilt be weilded?!?) ...but to humor you: This was from an RP my buddy and I did. He took all that into consideration. And where he screwed up (like richochets or you manage to cut him)--Ominous was immortal and could just regenerate anything instantaneously. No big deal for him. I, on the other hand (no pun), will look like darth sion--or vader minus the burning-- by the time I'm finished with the rp sequel. The lightsaber doesn't turn off after shooting--the next blade just detracted out of the hilt behind the shot-off blade (like pushing it out from behind--or it's like substance bleeding out from a larger qty of that substance), it sort of appears to extend for a brief moment while the baseflare spark is travelling up it. Then with the growing out blade based by the base flare spark, the shot just leaps off the end of the blade that is still there. Used conservatively, the feat works well. It could still be used as a defensive/offensive weapon like any other saber to boot. So you don't know as much as you think you do. Plus it, instead of bouncing back like a regular bolt, begins a sort of based spiraling off, if lightsaber blocks it...DUCK or you'll be hit by the backlash. Spirals until it hits something like a wall, then sort of splatters and explodes. Just an addit'l feature so he needn't carry a blaster. The shot was just something he clicked off at a moment his opponent was down or vulnerable. And you try fighitng off an immortal species who can only truly be ...erased?... by his own species' hand destroying him by unweaving energies--something nobody else, not even force adepts or telepaths using psionics, can do. I've hacked off limbs and stuck him thousands of times--he won't die! Force lightning seems to crumble him for awhile...hopefully long enough to find his home planet and have his secretive people unweave him. I left him in pieces at the bottom of camino's ocean once. He pulled himself together and about 10 years later came after me again. Currently it's on pause, but I managed to crumble him with force lightning. At the cost of my ribcage and my left leg. I can sort of re-generate, but not well. But I did say it was from an RP didn't I? I doubt Darth Ominous will appear in K3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Seems a bit pointless to me really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 Seems a bit pointless to me really. Which one?--Eh doesn't matter. The gun idea was rediculous to begin with, I thought--be that as it may I still had to put up with it in the rp. As for the tonfa... Yeah. Thought about it: With so many limitations to make it effective and safe--there is little point to it. I concede my point to you sabertooth--with a little reiteration from jae. I conclude it can be done safely and effectively--but it doesn't provide much benefit worth speaking of. And the mobility being hampered is not something worth losing. BTW nice to meet you Jae Onasi, henz and everyone. Although a hilt with a fattened up emitter with cortosis for a makeshift handguard is desireable--where your opponent slides his blade down yours and you basically have a straight pipe for a hilt. It'd be nice. I'm glad SW allows that much--else with most fights it'd be ended; off with your hands with one overpowering slide where they have a longer blade. I have offically concluded my part. In this thread. So feel free--no I encourage you to make all the <censored> comments you want, provided it doesn't violate any rules--or jae onasi might have your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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