Joshi Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I call bullshit on that. Oh don't start McCoy, free doesn't automatically mean better you know. If it did you'd be eating dinner down at the local soup kitchen every night instead of the meals you eat at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcCoy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Again, you're confusing free as in beer with free as in speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 And you're confusing free as in speech with free as in software... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcCoy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Software can be free as in beer ("free beer"), meaning it's free of charge and free as in speech ("free speech"), meaning anyone can read and modify the source code, which, in theory at least, leads to better programs. To take your food example: The recipes of your commercial microwavable taco is fixed, maybe even patented, you have to like it or don't buy it. However, the recipes in a cooking book or family recipes are free (as in "free speech"), everyone who dares to experiment a little can produce a better, a more delicous version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Which leads to the question, who dared to experiment to produce you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcCoy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 My parents, apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Oh. Err. Hm. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcCoy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessor Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 I call bullshit on that. Very interesting how this discussion has taken a linux vs. world spin. I was just saying that I really like Linux, but my work is far easier to do with Windows or Mac, simply because there's some software for those operating systems that do not have competitive Linux equivalents. And that's a real shame - I don't see why Adobe doesn't do a Linux port of their software. CS2 is so enormously bloated and slow anyway, that they could just port the whole thing to run on java, and nobody would know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Software can be free as in beer ("free beer"), meaning it's free of charge and free as in speech ("free speech"), meaning anyone can read and modify the source code, which, in theory at least, leads to better programs. To take your food example: The recipes of your commercial microwavable taco is fixed, maybe even patented, you have to like it or don't buy it. However, the recipes in a cooking book or family recipes are free (as in "free speech"), everyone who dares to experiment a little can produce a better, a more delicous version. Okay, but so far, the GIMP hasn't quite reached the peak of what Photoshop can do, not by far, it took a bunch of paid programmers a long time and a few pay checks to produce that program and lo and behold, you have to pay for it. Function wise, Photoshop is better than the GIMP (and I have used both, so I have a frame of reference) and the reason for that is the best of the best programmers got paid (and thus had more of an incentive) to create this superior work. And ironically, analogies don't always work for everything, you can sit there and talk about better food all you want, but food isn't software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Oh great not one of these topics again... umm... DUCK SEASON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 RABBIT SEASON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Beard season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Beard season? Erm.... MARCH!? Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessor Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Fishing season is on. Now's a good time to angle for herrings. Red ones in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighteyes Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Nearly hop picking season mmmmmmmmmmmmm real ale with beard and twigs in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Wow, I thought it was nearly spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 People live in the southern hemisphere, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I, however, live on the western hemisphere, d'uh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 People live in the southern hemisphere, too. Ok, it's nearly spring in the northern hemisphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighteyes Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 The best ale is brewed ready for the autumn tho i reckon. Does anybody else drink ale or am i the only real man here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 It's fall you ignorant English IDIOT! GOLL! Americans won the war, dumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaTurtle Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 "Autumn" is a nicer word than "Fall" whether the Americans like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 Hello, my name is Steven Kusnierek, and I am an American. I approve the use of the word "Autumn." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 One down. Wait, you aren't American... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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