Corinthian Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 "Yoou must underssstand, Mr. Freeman, there is a boundary that sssseparates Sssstar Wars from ssscience fiction liike Ssstar Trek." That G-Man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Holy ****, I was thinking over making the exact same thread some 4 days ago. Holy ****, that's too crazy to be a coincidence. Damn! Me, I go by either. Fantasy needs to be real good, though. Sci-fi can mostly pull through. Okay, I haven't read what you guys have written on this thread, but here's my 2 cents: Science Fiction is a work of fiction where scientific technology and advancement is an important factor in the storyline and progression (or premise). Fantasy, on the other hand is much broader since it encompasses everything. Star Wars, to summarize, is a space-based fantasy, much like Lord of the Rings is condidered High Fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiganjo Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Whatever happened to Clones not being a product of science... StarWars is really hard on the edge of being science fiction i think though, so I guess you could consider it to be both. Thats the easy way out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbieZ Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 To be honest, Jaes answer sums it up for me. I love Trek so much, every episode and every series. I don't nitpick at it because i can't. It's Trek and it is my goal next year to attend a convention in Vegas. Woohar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 The Force is religious power that requires your submission and dedication for it to be used. Vulcan psychic powers are just psychic powers. I'd have to disagree with you here. The Force may be a quasi-religious concept, but it is a lable used by quasi-religions like the jedi and the sith to try to explain what are basically telekinetic/telepathic/etc.. abilities. The Vulcans being "logical" would presumably not build them up in such mystical terms. One doesn't need to be a jedi or sith to tap into "the force", merely force sensitive. Jedi and sith are just philosophies geared toward explaining how best to utilize such powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I don't see how it could not be science fiction. I mean, you wouldn't have the same story without the technology. For one thing, there's no way you could do the scenes where the Millennium Falcon has hyperdrive trouble in anything other than a futuristic setting, any more so than you could with Trek. I mean, there's no real hard science in either one. And just having a mystical part to it doesn't make it not Science Fiction. Warhammer 40000, for example, is rife with magic despite being science fiction. The Mule in Foundation & Empire has the ability to control people's emotions, which is fairly unscientific, despite being written by Asimov himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 DS9 was the only good Star Trek. Doctor Who once was science-fiction/fantasy that it would be interesting, not to mention difficult, to classify under either definition. Under the tender mercies of Ringo T Dandy, however, it seems to have slipped into little more than a particularly awful soap opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 *Rolls eyes* This is getting ridiculous. So I'm wrong because...Star Wars doesn't try to bore it's viewers with explanations about how the deuterium matrix in the right tertiary nebulon spire of the Warp Core is misaligned with the Graviton Flux Capacitors? No. You're wrong because you insist on ignoring this: Consider the definitions, please: Science Fiction: "a form of fiction that draws imaginatively on scientific knowledge and speculation in its plot, setting, theme, etc." Fantasy: "9. Also, fantasia. Literature. an imaginative or fanciful work, esp. one dealing with supernatural or unnatural events or characters: The stories of Poe are fantasies of horror. Those are the definitions. We can both love or loathe them as much as we like, it won't change them. Yes, it is convenient that the Death Star has a weak point. That is usually how weak points work, as being convenient. = Star Wars not realistic. Let's break this whole thing down. What's your precise definition of a Science Fiction series? Mine is pretty simple, it has to be futuristic, and the tech has to be significant. Both of which Star Wars falls pretty easily into. It's given above, again, and it's not even mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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