Guest The Feral Chicken Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 I don't think this forum has actually had a Console vs PC war. So, let's discuss this traditional argument in a civilised fashion. I think consoles are ****. ------------------ Feral Signatures & Imaging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufio Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 I think consoles are sh1t too. ------------------ [This message has been edited by newfoundgloryboy (edited September 07, 2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 consols are okay.......but pc dominates all ------------------ Did I Mention That I Am Marrying Myself? ----------- RIP Bradley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunaMurray1587246291 Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 some people might say consoles have better control and are easier to keep up with. on the other hand -you can set your own controls with a computer and use a joystick -you can actually use multiple joysticks just like a console -comps are backwords compatible -sure a comp is hard to keep up with but thats half the fun I for one think consoles are going to dissapear -just look at the consoles of today, like the Xbox, they are mini computers. I think everthing will mold into the computer, sure there will be seperate compoments for tv and stuff like that but I think a central computer will control it all They are taking over MWAHAHAHAHAHA ------------------ <embed width="384" height="128" src="http://www.murraysweb.net/flash/tmurray4.swf"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 Oh...my...God! Cant believe you all agree with me! (TunaMurray, your argument was very similar to mine) Just look at this post, from a long long time ago... "...bla bla...Mmm! So Deus Ex graphics are better for the "play"... Have you played Deus Ex on PC? you have must played it with a Voodoo 1 !. I think a PC mouse its much better to use in those kinds of games than the PS2 controller. Ok, What else, I use MS SideWinder Gamepad for MI4, not the keyboard. Now I will make some questions to you! How do you think The Games for PS2 are programmed? Using the Controller of a PS2? Nope, I think they use PC's to program those games. Hmmm. Interesting. Now, You are also telling me that the "graphics card" that the Ps2 has is better than any, lets say mine for example: "nVidia GeForce 2 GTS Pro 64Mb"? running in a 200Mhz Bus With an Athlon 1Ghz? Hmmm, I think I could buy two PS2 with that money. Conclussion: Dont Buy a PC, Buy 3 PS2 instead, and link them and you will have the most Powerful machine on Earth. And the last thing I must say, every day, the console is more similar to a PC. Why is that? A PS2 has already two USB ports! and the XBox is a Pc itself? Why? If consoles are SO much Better, Why they want to be like Pcs?...bla...bla..." Ok, i understand if you dont want to read it all. I made more posts of that kind, but this is the most complete one, i think. ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtBlanc Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 Now, I'm not the most technologically inclined person around, and maybe that's the reason why I like consoles just a teeny bit better than PCs. First off, consoles are simple, and complete morons like myself can use them with ease. This I like. Secondly, lately, consoles have been having a superb streak of games out there. There's a lot of awesome stuff, and innovation is happening fairly quickly, something I don't see as much of in the PC world. Don't get me wrong, there's some great games coming out for the PC, (Mmmmmmm....Civilization III...) but not like the consoles have been having. But I do enjoy computer games too! For strategy and FPS games, consoles are getting the crap kicked out of them. And also, only the PC crowd can claim a fairly successful MMORPG (Is that acroynm correct?). Sure, Sega's got Phantasy Star Online, but come on, it ain't that great, and it ain't that large. And I love playing racing games on the computer with the steering wheel! I absolutely love that. The only racing game I own for consoles is the Gran Turismo series. (Yes, I know consoles have steering wheels too, but they suck.) Anyways, I think that's it for now. Unless I'm provoked to write more. Sure, this ain't all I see in PC's and consoles, but it's a start. I love both. Why can't we all just get along and accept our differences? ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondbeard Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 consoles aren't s*it,well mabye playstation and below.But the future consoles such as gamecube should hopefully be really sucsseful.All PSX owners put the N64 down,well nintendo are the most sucsseful console producer out there.And when gamecube comes out iam going to get one. But PC games are a hell of a lot better than any console games out at the moment.Iam a big fan of championship manager and find that better than any console manager game out there.Plus PC's have a much wider use than consoles.Most consoles can only play games.Some are now starting to use the internet.But still PC's are way better and will probably be always better than any console.I just wouldn't say that consoles suck because they don't,they just aren't right up to date with PCs. ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 PC all the way! ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtBlanc Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 I really, really hate people who use the argument, "Well PCs can do more than a console. Consoles can only play games!" Well of course! Consoles are only meant to play games, that's the whole freaking point of consoles!! Their beauty is in that simplicity. Please, I thought this was somewhat of an intelligent forum, let's not do the whole, "Well, the PSX can't word process, now can it?" kind of argument. Let's keep this to strictly gaming, thank you very much. (Mmmmm...Gran Turismo 2, mmmm....Age of Wonders and Anachronox...see, I like both!) ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufio Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 well seeing as i built this system im on right now for less than it would have cost for a ps2 and a 13 inch tv [i have a 19 in monitor] i dont think the cost argument works either ill take a pc over any game system any day ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Feral Chicken Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 Hmmm...strictly gaming? Well, then I'd still go with PC, because the best games on the PC are better than the best games on the consoles. Zelda vs Baldur's Gate, Goldeneye vs Half-Life, Shenmue vs Deus Ex, EscapeMI vs MI2, Midtown Madness vs Gran Turismo. There is just one exception in that list, and that is Gran Turismo. And I know that Half-Life and Deus Ex are coming out on consoles, and that EMI is a PC game too, but I don't care. Tekken got 99% in one magazone I know of. If Tekken deserves 99%, Deus Ex easily deserves 140%. If Metal Gear Solid deserves 96%, Half-Life should have around 135%. If Driver deserves 92%, Midtown Madness should have 115%. And if Goldeneye should get 94%, Counter-Strike should get around 170%. Think about it. ------------------ Feral Signatures & Imaging [This message has been edited by The Feral Chicken (edited September 09, 2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storken Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 I use consoles for playing and pc's for internet... ------------------ "the storks are listening" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarEye Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 Hmmm... what can I say? Someone has clearly missed the point of what games are. There aren't PC-games or Console-games. There are just games. If they only exist on PC's does that make it a PC-game? No, it makes it a PC-only game. So you can't say there's better games on PC's than consoles. There can only be better games than other games. You see, either a game is good or a game is bad. Simple as that. However if you choose to play a multi-platform game on a console or PC's is a different case, a matter of taste. There are games that are better on PC's and there are games that are better on consoles. And by the way, those of you who say that the Mouse is way better than a "Duel Shock" for instance (the PSX controller). Well, you do have mouses for consoles too, especially the DreamCast and PSX. Another thing, saying that consoles are getting more and more like because they have got a Harddrive, keyboard, USB-port and mouse (even screens are coming) are wrong. A console is mostly about one thing. Plug And Play. The pc's have made it to that point (which is strange, considering the Amiga and even Commodore 64 had true plug-and-play). Today, a PC needs to install every little part you want to connect (joysticks/joypads/mouses), which I think is a little too far-out. A pc gets more complex every year (or so it seems) when it should be concentrating on getting more user-friendly (considering more and more users). Another topic. To get graphics like Gran Turismo 3 in full speed, you need a graphics card that costs just about as much as the whole PS2 console. Is that fair? Nope. It's not strange that the PC's get more powerfull than consoles, considering the constant upgrading and not to mention price. A top-notch pc costs about £1000. A console costs maximum £350. I prefer much fun for less money. ------------------ THX to Brighteyesmonkey for this magnificent sig. Final Fantasy and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 Talking about the consoles as easy of use, cuz you only insert the game and play. You know that they are goin to shell a Hard Drive for the PS2, for saving games, and to install some Final Fantasy Game? Mmm, hard drive, USB port, modem... this sounds to me as a computer, not a console. Even XBox is gonna have HardDrive. And the Dreamcast already uses Windows CE. Consoles are Lite Computers. But quite expensive. ANd you cant upgrade them.... Total crap.. ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Feral Chicken Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 £1000? Joke. Let's see here... Hercules 3D Prophet 2 Ultra graphics card = £250 SoundBlaster LIVE! 1024 sound card = £80 Motherboard = £65 AMD Athlon 1.33Ghz Processor = £120 128MB RAM = £95 Fans = £50 altogether. Case = £40 Monitor = £100 Good keyboard = £15 Good Mouse = £20 Gamepad = £30 10Gb Hard Drive = £60 Total = £925. And that is a top notch PC. Most console user I know, when asked what the specs of their favourite console is, reply 'Um...128 bit', or however much 'bit' it has. They don't know what technology the graphics card uses, the processor speed, and so forth. If I owned a console, I would make it my liberty to know, then compare the price to that of a PC of the same spec. ------------------ Feral Signatures & Imaging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiKo Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 is me not understanding what the hell anyone in here is saying a good thing or a bad thing? ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadmeat1587246448 Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 So what you think of the next-gen consoles (and pc). My opinions that are worth 5 pence: -PS2: expensive, but PSX has got good reputation, and around this time the real toppers like GT3 and FF10 will be out. Second place -Gamecube: Cant swipe away the kids-image of the N64. Serious gamers will be scared away, kids will love it. Fourth place -X-Box: Has got my blessings, but hasnt got enough reputation to sell. Will go the same way as dreamcast: good games, bad sells. Third place cause i believe in it -Dreamcast (no next gen, but): good console, very poor marketing. Too bad it died. -GBA: Gotta love it. Looks great, great games, not too expensive. Not nextgenconsole though -PC: Will never ever ever leave the gameworld. It all started on the pc, and it will all end on the pc! And all because of one reason: the keyboard/mouse combination. When playing shooters and statagiegames, no console can top it. First place ------------------ I'm the root of all that's evil yeah but you can call me cookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 9, 2001 Share Posted September 9, 2001 Well, I must admit that the XBox can have a good future. Think about it: -It was "good" hardware config. -Its microsoft, so expect a really good job from their Marketing & Sales department -And the most important thing: Programming games for the XBox is very similar than programming games for Pc's. And thats a good businness for the Game Companies. They make a game, and with little effort they will sell it for two platforms, and they get even more money. While programming for PS2 is really difficult, and Game Companies spend a lot of time and money developing games for it. And we live in the McDonals era. We want things go fast, and cheap. So I think that XBox will have future. And I hate consoles! Thats my opinion as a computer fan, and as a computer worker. ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadmeat1587246448 Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Yeah but in various polls the Xbox never scored over ten percent. I thinkx gamers are afraid of an 'newbie' in the gamesworld. They rather buy a console they somehow know, like PS2 and NGC ------------------ I'm the root of all that's evil yeah but you can call me cookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Well, just remember the PSX... sony was new in that world. And XBox will be cheaper. ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarEye Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Originally posted by The Feral Chicken: £1000? Joke. Let's see here... Hercules 3D Prophet 2 Ultra graphics card = £250 SoundBlaster LIVE! 1024 sound card = £80 Motherboard = £65 AMD Athlon 1.33Ghz Processor = £120 128MB RAM = £95 Fans = £50 altogether. Case = £40 Monitor = £100 Good keyboard = £15 Good Mouse = £20 Gamepad = £30 10Gb Hard Drive = £60 Total = £925. And that is a top notch PC. Most console user I know, when asked what the specs of their favourite console is, reply 'Um...128 bit', or however much 'bit' it has. They don't know what technology the graphics card uses, the processor speed, and so forth. If I owned a console, I would make it my liberty to know, then compare the price to that of a PC of the same spec. Hmmm... okay. £925. Oooohhh. That was greatly exaggerated when I said £1000. Right. Absolutely. And... Well, I was actually talking about Norwegian prices, so I guess that counts. But some of your specs wouldn't fit in my idea of top-notch either. 128mb ram? Yesterday. 256mb Ram Monitor, £100. Hey we're talking top-notch here. Not some cheap comes-with-the-setup screen. A really good monitor costs (at least here) about £200. 10GB harddrive? Mine is about 17gb, and I don't play games on a PC. 10GB would never be enough, unless you only want 10 games installed at a time. About the 'um...128bit' thingy you mentioned. That's the good thing about consoles, you don't need to know it inside out to know it's good. I play the games on a console for fun, not caring whatsoever about its exact specs. The chip on a PS2 is an Emotion Engine, 128bit, excellent graphics, POSSIBILITY to use a mouse, monitor, keyboard, etc. The PC's don't have that possibility. A PC won't work without it. My PS2 is also able to play Dolby Surround, as long as you have a setup that matches. The only reason you know the specs of a PC, is because you need to know, so that when you buy a game, you have to check if you can run it. That's not necessary with a console. It says Playstation 2, and that's it. And it what it's compatible with (controllers, memory-card). If I want to know what specs a console has, you just have to look in the manual. So what does actually knowing what it inside are help? Comparing it to a PC that you don't want? The PC doesn't have Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X etc. The only reason I bought my PC is so that I can play Escape from Monkey Island. Consoles are better at games, and PC's have never been any good at anything but office-use (at least that's what I think). The best game-computer dies with the Amiga. My amiga can boot 3 times, when a PC boots 1 time, and it's much MUCH more stable. I stick with a console. PS! The setup you mentioned is old within year 2003. Newer games would require better setup. My PS2 won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarEye Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Heeh... I just realised we don't agree much do we, The Feral Chicken. (by the way, sorry for the spam, and the length of the last reply) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarEye Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Heeh... I just realised we don't agree much do we, The Feral Chicken. (by the way, sorry for the spam, and the length of the last reply) And.. war isn't civilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Wow... No offense, but you wrote quite alotta rubbish there. I only agree with you with the first part (The prizes of a good pc) So, the PC is only good for "office" thinnies??? Im able to play all the pc games plus all the consoles games (except PS" for the moment) in my PC. With a perfect emulation. And I dont have to buy all the consoles. PC actually has much more games than the PS2. Does the console have al the games of strategy, graphics adventures, flight simulation, etc... as the PC? mmm no!. Maybe a PC doesnt work with a keyboard. Does the console work without a gamepad? That was a stupid observation. You have to connect your console to your TV. We all now that TV have much worst resolution than a PC monitor. Oh! you can play your console with a monitor? Ok, add the monitor to your shopping list. Dolby Surround (you mean Dolby Digital, dont you?)? You have to buy an amplifier for that. I can also buy a Creative Platinum 5.1 with that. What else... Oh. You have to know the PC configuration, cuz you can upgrade it later, and you dont need to buy a full computer. Will PS3 games work with PS2?? Nope. And PS2 games with PSX? nope. And N64 games with SuperNES... Nope... So sorry, but in year 2003 they will make very few games for your PS2, if they make a PS3. ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Feral Chicken Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Well, that's because you have balanced arguments, while I tend to be as biased as hell, which I only notice once I read the post later. I do disagree with your claim that the PC doesn't have any good games. Deus Ex, Half-Life, Baldur's Gate, Midtown Madness, SWAT 3, Unreal Tournament, Metal Gear Solid, Championship Manager, the first 3 Monkey Island games, AvP, Max Payne, Shogun, Black & White...I could go on. OK, so most of them are available on consoles, but most are better on PC than on console. I know this first hand. I know that 256 RAM is optimum. My system spec is AMD Athlon 1.33 Ghz, 20Gb Hard Drive, Voodoo 3 (needs upgrading) sound card, 256 RAM, SoundBlaster Live 1024, 17" monitor. But my point was that you could play games comfortably with a 10Gb Hard Drive and 128MB RAM. ------------------ Feral Signatures & Imaging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.