The Ravager

[Paddythegreat]

I dont think sion flew the harbinger by himself, im sure you are atacked by countless sith soldiers when you board the ebon hawk.

[Nikkolas]

Mandalore: [The Ravager] is barely holding itself together. The structural damage should have destroyed it long ago.

 

Tobin: He holds it together. And he keeps us all alive, just enough, like rotworms in a dying beast.

[JCarter426]

I dont think sion flew the harbinger by himself, im sure you are atacked by countless sith soldiers when you board the ebon hawk.

 

They were assassins, not pilots. And in one of the pre-rendered movies, you see Sion on the bridge alone, flying the ship through the Force (don't ask me how that works).

[Astor]

The ship was held together, in part by Nihilus' will, but he ensured the life support systems were running - this included the particle fields that maintained an atmosphere within the ship.

 

That's what Tobin means when he says that he keeps them alive - he allows the life support system to run

[JCarter426]

Then what happened after Nihilus' life support failed?

[Astor]

From what I can gather, the 'Force-Zombies' on the bridge work the controls for whole ship - they're programmed to do only that - so after he dies, they presumably keep doing it until blown up

[TKA-001]

He managed to rip it out of Malachor on his own.

The only details on that are that he "tore it from the mass shadows", nothing indicating that he didn't need a crew to run the ship on its day-to-day business[es].

 

And Sion flew the Harbinger all by himself.

And in one of the pre-rendered movies, you see Sion on the bridge alone, flying the ship through the Force (don't ask me how that works).

Sion was sitting on the bridge, meditating. Not "piloting" it. How can the idea that Sion is piloting it with the force possibly be more logical than the idea that it's simply on an autopilot?

 

Not canon, no; but not fanon either.

It's not fanon; Mr Avellone has said that this was exactly their concept of Nihilus.

It is ridiculous fanon, regardless of who made it up. The only reason you say it isn't fanon is because Avellone said it, as if that somehow makes it different from if it was something than some anonymous person posted somewhere.

 

They were assassins, not pilots.

Assassins or not, just because they aren't pilots specifically trained to crew a Republic warship doesn't mean it's impossible for them to tell the ship to go somewhere.

[Paddythegreat]

Exactly, the only way the assasins got to peragus was on the harbinger, who says they dont have piloting skills? You dont stand at a football match and say ''those guys cant drive because they are playing football''

[JCarter426]

Sion was sitting on the bridge, meditating. Not "piloting" it. How can the idea that Sion is piloting it with the force possibly be more logical than the idea that it's simply on an autopilot?

 

If it had an autopilot, then Atton, Kreia, and the Exile could have just taken the Harbinger and left the Hawk and HK-50 back on Peragus.

 

I don't see what the confusion is. Sion was on the bridge, alone. He was meditating, or doing something with the Force. And the Harbinger flew, without a crew. Who else could have been flying it?

 

The only reason you say it isn't fanon is because Avellone said it, as if that somehow makes it different from if it was something than some anonymous person posted somewhere.

 

Uh...he was head developer of the game, not some nobody. You might as well say that the Exile's gender is fanon because Mr Chee made it up.

[Nikkolas]

Tobin wasn't the only one of Nihilus' slaves with an inflated opinion of their "master". And he could simply be referring to the fact that Nihilus didn't kill them all instantly, but let them live as he slowly drained the life out of them.

 

There's nothing to inflate. Kreia definitley has no love for Nihilus and even she tells volumes about how powerful and dangerous he is.

Nihilus is a cosmic force in SW. That's just plain obvious. Keeping a few people alive seems like a minor task as opposed to draining planets and ripping starships from gravity wells.

[JCarter426]

I was kidding...but I suppose I do believe he is greatly overestimated.

 

Kreia certainly isn't unbiased--remember, he was her student, and she has a seriously inflated opinion of her students. Same with Visas, only she was the student.

 

Just listen to the three musketeers; Nihilus was hiding from them as much as they were hiding from him. (That's also proof of how dumb they were--they thought more hiding was the solution.)

 

Sure, Nihilus can eat entire planets, but that's just proof of how weak he is--if he doesn't eat that planet, he'll die.

[Nikkolas]

Yeah. The same rule applies to Galactus. I'm not gonna call him weak (well, most of the time).

 

'sides, Kreia hates both her students. The only ones she likes are Revan and the Exile. She hates Sion because he's a brute who, as she said, "knows nothing." She hates Nihilus because he's a threat to all life.

[JCarter426]

She does hate them, but she also has an inflated opinion of them, in order to feed her own inflated ego.

[TKA-001]

If it had an autopilot, then Atton, Kreia, and the Exile could have just taken the Harbinger and left the Hawk and HK-50 back on Peragus

Maybe it takes the crew to put it on the autopilot. One plus one equals two.

 

Uh...he was head developer of the game, not some nobody.

For all intents and purposes of this discussion, he is just some nobody.

 

That's also proof of how dumb they were--they thought more hiding was the solution.

Yeah, good thing they smartened up and came out of hiding on Dantooine so that Kreia could kill them mere moments later. How stupid they were for not attacking a far more powerful enemy.

[Astor]

Maybe it takes the crew to put it on the autopilot. One plus one equals two.

 

Well, seeing as it's never explicitly mentioned, all anyone can do is speculate. But if it was on autopilot, Sion might be able to do it.

[TKA-001]

So all the controls on the ship aren't labeled or anything?

[Astor]

So all the controls on the ship aren't labeled or anything?

 

Where exactly did I say that?

[Rev7]

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I think that he implyed that there were instruments that are labeled. In airplanes things are labeled. I highly doubt that all of the contols weren't labeled at all. Sion could have possibly piloted the ship because the controls were labeled.

[Astor]

I understand that, Rev, i'm just stating that I never said anything about labeling on the instrumentation.

[Rev7]

Perhaps he wasn't addressing you? Just asking a question?

[TKA-001]

He was implying that it would be a severe challenge for him to set a course for the ship.

[Astor]

I wasn't implying it would be a challenge - I said 'might' as in, he 'might' know how to set an autopilot system.

[JCarter426]

Again, I point out that if Sion knew, odds are that Atton would know as well (he is a pilot, after all...not a good one, but a pilot nonetheless ).

[TKA-001]

Isn't it worth mentioning that unlike Atton and the rest, Sion actually did have a crew?

[JCarter426]

They weren't on the bridge, though.