The Final Word on lightsabres underwater....

[Old Jedi Ben Kenobi]

HyperAquaBlast, your reply is correct. Lucas wanted to kill Qui-Gon, otherwise the whole saga would be screwed. I was simply replying to those who were accusing Obi-Wan of being responsible for Qui-Gon's death.

 

As to my comment on Qui-Gon's thoughts, when I said he was thoughtless, it was because after meditating a little, instead of being defensive and evasive until Obi-Wan could reach him, he suddenly launches an impressive barrage of strikes, which, unfortunatly, has the secondary effect of wasting his own energy and giving Maul the chance to kill him.

 

As for Obi-Wan being a suck up, is that what you call someone who is constantly disagreeing with his master? Just because he said "Yes, Master." a lot doesn't make him a suck up, in my opinion.

[Guest Kurgan]

Of course the scene with Obi-Wan's lightsaber fizzling out because of water is "not part of the movie" either, since it doesn't appear anywhere in the film.

 

So I think we have nothing to say that lightsabers are water-resistant, or damaged by moisture, except in non-movie sources (which conflict). ; )

 

My point was to refute the "final word on..." original statement, since there is no final word (final word being "proof" in the movies).

 

Kurgan

[Boba Jim]

Well.. ..while Obi Wan never says his lightsaber fizzled out in the film, the fact remains that he couldn't use it when the droids were chasing him and he was all wet. So you could easily infer that ....

[Mercenary_Turned_Jedi]

I'd like to point out that in the book of the movie, Obi-Wan says after the two droids on STAP's ( Single Troop Aerial Platorm ) have been blown to bits:

"Sorry, Master. But my Lightsaber got fried..."

 

[Guest Kurgan]

Well again, not in the movie... then it doesn't have the same status as what is in the movie.

 

Heck, in the EU there's tons of stuff going on "behind the scenes" that could be inferred if you wanted to (ie: Shadows of the Empire, select scenes mentioned in Zahn's first trilogy, events of Dark Forces, etc).

 

The novel of TPM also mentions stuff not in the movie like about Darth Bane, etc.

 

Lucas said his stories didn't have to gel with anything in the EU. We can infer that means that the movies are supposed to be coherent, but the other material may or may not be. After all we're dealing with multiple timelines done by multiple authors.

 

Yes, if you want, you can show me where all of the non-movie sources about the events of TPM show that Obi's saber fizzles out (ie: won't work when wet) but that doesn't mean that it has to be that way (since it's not in the movie).

 

Just as the force is detected by midichlorians (in the movie) as opposed to something else (explained in some novel).

 

Of course, I admit, it's all fiction, so it hardly matters, but if you want to argue continuity and what is "Lucas's original/authentic vision" then you have to stick with the movies.

 

Now of course it would hurt my argument if the new TPM dvd has the deleted scenes that have Obi-Wan and Qui Gon talking about how wet sabers don't work incorporated into the regular film (aka: Special Edition, or like they did with X-Men), but we'll see. ; )

 

On a side note: What about when Obi and Qui Gon went to Gungan city? They clearly got their sabers soaked there too, but we see no mention of it. Or is it just that if a person has the saber ON and gets it wet that it shorts it out temporarily? It is some time before we see either Jedi actually use his saber after their dive.

 

I think perhaps what the underlying issue here is that people are wondering if, in JK2, will we be able to use the lightsaber underwater (as we could in JK and MotS). That is an issue for the Raven/LEC devs.

 

Personally I don't see why they should change it. After all, the EU supports lightsabers underwater (SOTME at least, is the only source outside TPM that I know of that addresses the issue at all), and it was in the previous games.

 

If you want, just say they invented water-proof sabers after TPM.

 

Kurgan

[Boba Jim]

I think Raven will make saber use underwater possible in JK2, but when you turn it on, everybody in the water gets a good shock, or all their hair falls out cause of the electrolosis.

[Guest Kurgan]

Well whatever, as long as everytime you try it, it doesn't go into a cutscene where the ghost of Rahn scolds Kyle for "being so careless."

 

Maybe a nice joke could be inserted, like the first time Kyle fires it up, you hear him mutter to himself "good thing this thing works underwater."

 

Kurgan

[acdcfanbill]

did anyone else read the obi-wan interview where it was said that in obi-wan sabers will automatically turn off underwater, and it was based on the deleted scene from Eps 1 where obi-wan fried his... maybe obi-wan just doesnt know how to make waterproof sabers, or none work underwater... hmm, interesting...

[CaptainRAVE]

In The Phantom Menace you couldnt have the lightsabre on. I wonder what Raven will do....

[TornSoul]

I've found something that might be a script for episode 2. Now, I'm not going to say too much, since a lot of people don't want to know (if it is the real episode 2 script). I hope it is the real script of episode 2, cos it would kick ass!

Amadila and Padme are sisters in that script (probably twins).

There is a lot of fighting (Jedi vs Sith, Jedi vs Mandalorians, Dark Jedi vs Sith, Dark Jedi vs Jedi, etc) in it, with a scene where someone uses a saber under water. Maybe he removed that scene where Obi Wan's saber is fried from episode 1 so he could do the under water saber scene in episode 2.

Jar Jar is in it, but a bit more serious and would actually fits into the movie (if he didn't talk so weird).

We'll see a bit more of Palpatine's Dark Side (including what he can do).

 

 

Now, about episode 1:

 

When you don't compare it to episode 4-6, it is a good movie, not as great as 4-6, but good. (except for Jar Jar)

 

There wasn't enough fighting in the movie?? We saw more (and better) real saber fighting in that one movie than in episode 4-6.

 

Obi Wan could have fried his saber in different ways than with water. He could have reflected a blast too low on the saber or something.

 

I don't think Obi Wan was sucking up to Qui Gon. He was an apprentice talking to his Master. You're suppose to have respect for your Master. And just because Obi Wan said he was a "brash young reckless jedi" in episode IV (i think) doesn't mean that he actually was.

[CaptainRAVE]

And i believe that is actually THE FINAL WORD