Spaceball_One Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 i really hope that this time around, the stormtroopers are a lot more worthy of even being called enemies... rather than just "guys in white suits that kyle calls target practice". i mean come on! these guys are supposed to be the backbone of the imperial army! they're supposed to strike fear into the hearts of wimpy little civilians! ok, now i know that they're supposed to be "smarter" and everything due to the kick-ass AI that OUTCAST is supposed to have, but how are the stormtroopers going to fare in battle? i really hope that they are a lot more challenging this time! like, i hope that they can dish out at LEAST a FRACTION of what a newbie can! it really gripes me that i can just mow a ton of these guys down without them hitting me! i say, (1) make their weapons a lot better. please read my post "my take on the bryar... plus the st rifle". now if stormtroopers had that kind of firepower, id be happy! id really enjoy myself a lot more if they had a STAR WARS equivilant to an M4! it would make killing them a lot more fulfilling! (2) they really shouldn't hesitate to destroy KATARN. i think that once KYLE comes into their sights they should just UNLOAD on him! not like in JEDI KNIGHT where they would fire a shot..... wait a while..... fire another shot...... they should just UNLOAD! "stop that jedi scum!" DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH!!!! then can call for back-up when you RUN AWAY (yes, thats how vicious and dangerous these men should be.) "come quick! hes over there!" and run after you and UNLOAD on you some more! DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH-DUH! i want to see the sky LITTERED with laser blasts!!! not just one or 2 when there are like 4 guys on-screen! LITTERED!!!! bottom line is that i want to fear stormtroopers. i want to turn a corner and say "OOOOOOOOOH SH..." when i realize that there are 5 or 6 standing there, guns ready to kill, and they just saw me! that would make the game SOOOOOOOOO much more better! PS. i really hope you guys aren't bored reading my opinions and takes on OUTCAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirth Vedar Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Maybe on the hard difficulty. Or if they're so hard, allow Kyle other ways through the level, like climbing through air duct and sneak around or something, just so you don't have to keep reload the game 3 - 4 times per fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Actually, I'd rather have them as weaker enemies. I love killing stormies by the dozen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sarcastic Saint Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 I can imagine that if they are harder to kill that it will be more....satisfying....when you actually do kill 1 or 2 or whatever. Makes it more of a challenge overall. me $0,02 euro-cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemios Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Originally posted by Sarcastic Saint me $0,02 euro-cents. If you say "euro-cent" you have to say only 2, not 0,02. 0,02 euro-cent is equal to say 0,0002 euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf-Life Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Thing is, by being able to mow down Stroopers by the dozen, it stays true to the film I hope for Jedi Knight II, Raven make the Troopers weak but heavy in numbers. And yes, I too want to see the sky littered with laser blasts On a side note, the Stormtrooper death animations look fantastic... let's hope they have some "Blast 'em!" and "Set lasers to kill!" speech in there... but EF was fantastic, I'm expecting great things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenG Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Originally posted by Alf-Life "... but EF was fantastic, I'm expecting great things ..." Elite Force was ok but...Raven could have done so much better.(no offence Raven). If there is friendly AI in JO i hope there weapons are stronger. Biggest let down in Elite Force for me was that 4 Elite Force guy without me couldn't take down 1 bad guy by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykel007 Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 what i want to see is that if you fail to take out one Stropper, he goes and alert the entire base of your pressence. So you have an even harder time going though the level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenG Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Originally posted by nykel007 what i want to see is that if you fail to take out one Stropper, he goes and alert the entire base of your pressence. So you have an even harder time going though the level. yes i'd also like to see "smart Troopers". i wanna see them take cover when i throw a Th. det...or kick it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 or somethimes it goes off when they kick it too hard.... ahh!! my leg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenG Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 Originally posted by Agen_Terminator or somethimes it goes off when they kick it too hard.... ahh!! my leg! stormtrooper 1: my leg got blown off! stormtrooper 2: thats really gonna hurt stormtrooper 1: it will grow back right? stormtrooper 2: um..er.mm...nn....o..y.es. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirth Vedar Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 hehe, I like the idea of stormtroopers running for help. I think it'll make efficient killing more important, because you don't really want to activate all of the storm troopers all at once by letting one run off. So you have to planned attacks to cut them down quick or cut them off. That'll add a lot to the game play. And from what I heard about the game from previews, how like if you kill the stormtrooper commander, they'll run away, or that they're more bold in a group and so forth, it sounds like these troopers will be smarter than the average cow. Which is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan SkyWalker Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 AI is important, very important. Killig dummies is no fun. well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eets Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 ^ That's damn weird, Eets, I'm not sure whether to LMAO or run like hell! Originally posted by Sarcastic Saint I can imagine that if they are harder to kill that it will be more....satisfying....when you actually do kill 1 or 2 or whatever. Makes it more of a challenge overall. me $0,02 euro-cents. [in menacing tone] There's a button for people like you... [/Menacing tone] Control+Alt+4, I believe --> € Yup, it works. ...The economy too, so it would seem. We (UK) should have joined now, too Ah well Back on topic, I totally agree with you - stormies should strike fear into the heart of every person without a lightsabre or personal ion-cannon The E3 vid showed Kyle shooting some STs, and they took quite a few shots to die, so maybe they have been toughened-up Of course, with the sabre, it's one-hit-one-kill for stormies, *manic laugh* , and the sabre-throw will only serve to to make that one hit more fun To borrow from Tom Clancy, just my two 'DollarPound' cents $£0.02 W_B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB_StormTrooper Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Originally posted by Eets'chula Hey! Where did you get that pic of me! just kiddin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancor Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 StephenG: Elite Force was ok but...Raven could have done so much better.(no offence Raven). If there is friendly AI in JO i hope there weapons are stronger. Biggest let down in Elite Force for me was that 4 Elite Force guy without me couldn't take down 1 bad guy by themselves. I read a post-mortem about EF and the developers said that the friendly AI was actually so good that they would kill things for you...and many times, before you even had a clue that there was a bad guy around. So, to challenge the player, they made them less lethal. As it was, many people said that EF was pretty easy. I can't imagine how easy it would have been if the friendlies would kill all of the guys for you. Sure they could have put more/smarter/tougher enemies in the levels...but if they opted for just more enemies...then you either have to up the system specs or lower the poly count of the enemy models to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Yeh or u could just higher the system spec Rancor. I'd like to see some dying animations where u shoot them in the legs and they're falling and still shoots u on the ground or they fire at u just before u die.sometimes if they don't see you and u shoot the from the back their gun goes flying out of there hand. Just my €0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Originally posted by StephenG Elite Force was ok but...Raven could have done so much better.(no offence Raven). If there is friendly AI in JO i hope there weapons are stronger. Biggest let down in Elite Force for me was that 4 Elite Force guy without me couldn't take down 1 bad guy by themselves. Elite Force was great. The AI was far more advanced than any other game out at that time. They would take cover, and retreat if out gunned or out numbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 O heard that EF is good though i heard a few people gurmbling about it but most people that have played it think it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moses Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Spaceball_One: I wish that was a speech. It would have had people screaming cries of sympathy for you, running through the halls naked, and inspiring them to go watch Star Wars again. But since it was just a written page, I heartily agree with you. But there are two ways this game could go. Some players want to just fly through the levels and kill as many enemies as possible with as big guns as possible. Others want stealth, strategy, and lightsabers. Most of us I think are the latter, but I would think it would take less work to create the former. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceball_One Posted January 9, 2002 Author Share Posted January 9, 2002 there is no need for any correcting to go on... you're definately right!!! espionage... stealth... strategy... star wars style: its really what everyone should want. man, i really have to stop playing COUNTER-STRIKE and METAL GEAR SOLID 2... but is that so wrong for me to wish for JEDI KNIGHT 2's AI to be like that in METAL GEAR SOLID 2? (only in OUTCAST, you're actually able to come out on top, without a scratch, after enemies call in reinforcements and LITTER the air with a barrage of laser blasts... unlike METAL GEAR SOLID 2, where, unless you were on the easier difficulty settings, were doomed once seen!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moses Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 I played Metal Gear Solid 2 for the first time yesterday. For anyone who has not yet, I suggest it for the simple reason that you will be more excited about JK2. MGS2 is simply incredible, the AI is great, the graphics are top notch, and it's not just fun, it's HARD. IMHO, there's no game that is too hard as long as it's dealt with the right way. For instance, if there is a boss that is incredibly hard, but everytime you lose you have to go back to the beginning of the level that's no fun. Nobody will want to play the game because they are tired of playing through the level. But if you can save right before the boss I have no problem with him being so difficult I start crying. I hope JK2 is very hard and stealth, strategy, and cunning all reward you by keeping you alive. Now of course I don't mind slicing through a few stormies now and then , but I don't want it excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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