SithMaster2003 Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Dear Moderators and fellow Forummers: The following post is not meant to encourage hacking, but to possibly spread some light on the whole subject. It may possibly educate some people about it as well. Read on and you shall see what I mean. I was surfing around the web tonight and I stumbled across this interesting post in some message board. The post is by a father who discovered that his young son was possibly hacking. Upon discovery, the father revoked the child's computer privledges and proceeded to write this post. While I don't disagree with what the father did by revoking the child's privledges, I do extremely disagree with his post. Please read this post before going further. *Note: I have inserted the list in some other posts below* The father created a list of the top ten signs that your child is a hacker. If you read the post, you will notice that the father goes into some detail about the sings of a hacker. Here is the disturbing part. our of those 10 signs, I fit about 7 or 8 of them. does this mean I hack computers??? Sorry to disappoint, but i have honestly never hacked a computer before. Hopefully, this whole thing is a joke to make people realize how messed up their views about people who use computers can be. If it isnt a joke, i only hope that some higher life form can make him realize how full of crap he is. I write this thread only gather other views about this subject. Please post your reponses. P.S. I hope i am not the only one who thinks this man is a wacko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 where is the "top ten" When I looked at the page it didn't show all of it...will you please post the "top ten" so I can apropriatly argue the subject and thus prove all opsition wrong;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB_StormTrooper Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 SithMaster: Your not the only one who thinks that, the person that wrote this made it like around a month ago and so as you can see, there are lots of replys to the author....I made one myself and Ill just say it wasnt positive...auctally just correcting his grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithMaster2003 Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 Since no one can apparently access that site, here is the top 10 list. Is Your Son a Computer Hacker? By T Reginald Gibbons Posted on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:00:21 AM PST Two years ago, my wife Carol and I decided that our children's education would not be complete without some grounding in modern computers. To this end, we bought our children a brand new Compaq to learn with. The kids had a lot of fun using the handful of application programs we'd bought, such as Adobe's Photoshop and Microsoft's Word, and my wife and I were pleased that our gift was received so well. Our son Peter was most entranced by the device, and became quite a pro at surfing the net. When Peter began to spend whole days on the machine, I became concerned, but Carol advised me to calm down, and that it was only a passing phase. I was content to bow to her experience as a mother, until our youngest daughter, Cindy, charged into the living room one night to blurt out: "Peter is a computer hacker!" There you go, poast away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithMaster2003 Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 ...continued As you can imagine, I was amazed. A computer hacker in my own house! I began to monitor my son's habits, to make certain that Cindy wasn't just telling stories, as she is prone to doing at times. After a few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking, I confronted Peter with the evidence. I'm afraid to say, this was the only time I have ever been truly disappointed in one of my children. We raised them to be honest and to have integrity, and Peter betrayed the principles we tried to encourage in him, when he refused point blank to admit to his activities. His denials continued for hours, and in the end, I was left with no choice but to ban him from using the computer until he is old enough to be responsible for his actions. After going through this ordeal with my own family, I was left pondering how I could best help others in similar situations. I'd gained a lot of knowledge over those few days regarding hackers. It's only right that I provide that information to other parents, in the hope that they will be able to tell if their children are being drawn into the world of hacking. Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the straight and narrow before extreme measures need to be employed. To this end, I have decided to publish the top ten signs that your son is a hacker. I advise any parents to read this list carefully and if their son matches the profile, they should take action. A smart parent will first try to reason with their son, before resorting to groundings, or even spanking. I pride myself that I have never had to spank a child, and I hope this guide will help other parents to put a halt to their son's misbehaviour before a spanking becomes necessary. 1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs? Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL. These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy, and take careful measures to ensure that your internet experience is enjoyable, educational and above all legal. If your child is becoming a hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker friendly provider. I would advise all parents to refuse this request. One of the reasons your son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child safety filter. This filter is vital to any parent who wants his son to enjoy the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult" content. It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than using a home-based solution. If your son is becoming a hacker, he will be able to circumvent any home-based measures with surprising ease, using information gleaned from various hacker sites. 2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing? Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash". The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing him with a grounding. 3. Has your child asked for new hardware? Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer. If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well. 4. Does your child read hacking manuals? If you pay close attention to your son's reading habits, as I do, you will be able to determine a great deal about his opinions and hobbies. Children are at their most impressionable in the teenage years. Any father who has had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can have on inexperienced minds. There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond. If you find any of these hacking manuals in your child's possession, confiscate them immediately. You should also petition local booksellers to remove these titles from their shelves. You may meet with some resistance at first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure. 5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day? If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours. If your son is doing this, he is breaking the law, and you should stop him immediately. The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithMaster2003 Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 ...continued 6. Does your son use Quake? Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school. If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school. 7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour? As a child enters the electronic world of hacking, he may become disaffected with the real world. He may lose the ability to control his actions, or judge the rightness or wrongness of a course of behaviour. This will manifest itself soonest in the way he treats others. Those whom he disagrees with will be met with scorn, bitterness, and even foul language. He may utter threats of violence of a real or electronic nature. Even when confronted, your son will probably find it difficult to talk about this problem to you. He will probably claim that there is no problem, and that you are imagining things. He may tell you that it is you who has the problem, and you should "back off" and "stop smothering him." Do not allow yourself to be deceived. You are the only chance your son has, even if he doesn't understand the situation he is in. Keep trying to get through to him, no matter how much he retreats into himself. 8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"? BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone. Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional. If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface. 9. Has your son radically changed his appearance? If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this) There are many such hackers in schools today, and your son may have started to associate with them. If you notice that your son's group of friends includes people dressed like this, it is time to think about a severe curfew, to protect him from dangerous influences. 10. Is your son struggling academically? If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku" hacker association. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and Chemistry. In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically. I encourage all parents to read through this guide carefully. Your child's future may depend upon it. Hacking is an illegal and dangerous activity, that may land your child in prison, and tear your family apart. It cannot be taken too seriously. ok, thats it, now post away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artoo Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 May I rant for a second? Thank you. *takes the podium* first off O my goodness! What was that idiot dad thinking. To deal w/ the first one, AOL isn't good at all! I use Internet Explorer and it is a whole lot better I'd be requesting a change also! #2 is the fact that Bonzi Buddy!!!! Flash!!!!! These are creative programs!!! Well maybe not Bonzi buddy.... but the point is they are not hacking programs at all!!! #3 AMD is a very reliable processor that I've used in the past!#4 Hackers!!!! He said Hackers was a bad book!!!! That is one of the best books I've ever read!!! It is a history of our computer-proggaming pioneers!! Woz and Gates are in there for pete's sake! So is Lord British!! #5 45 minutes!!!!!!!! Is he insane!!!!! That would be so little time that I could get no surfing done on a 56k!! #6 Quake!!! Now this nut is cracking down on one of America's most beloved shooters!!! That's a stress relief game and nothing more!! #7 The kid is right!!!! The parent's are smothering him!! Especially if he is only like me!!! Also the surly thing is called being a teenager!!! Don't these people know what teenagers are like!!!! #8 Ok, he's sane right here but come on!!!! #9 What is he thinking!!!! This guy has never ever had teenagers before or he would know that this is the way some teenagers dress!!! #10 Ok! That's it! He just called me fat!!!! I am a straight A student cause I get on the internet so much!!! And I lose weight by sitting in front of it so much not doing anything!!! 6' and 140 lb. is not fat! Needless to say, this father has never had experience w/ computer geek teenagers before. Otherwise he would know that most of these 10 signs point towards computer whiz! *steps down from podium* Anyone else wanna take shots at this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot00001 Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 The website worked for me, but part of number 10 is just outrageous. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and Chemistry. That explains why most of the people with higher grades in my Geometry class use computers alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithMaster2003 Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 one more note. that bonzi buddy and other stuff like gator is all spyware. so even if you are downloading it onto your computer, someone else is technically hacking your computer. maybe not in the sense you are thinking, but if it is spyware, that means someone has enough access to your computer to see what you do while you are on it. IMO that is enough to be considered hacking. maybe good 'ol pop should stop worrying about his son and start worrying about these big companies out there looking at what you do on your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthfergie Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs? Yes...Earthlink to Cable...I think that was a good choice don't you??? 2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing? Yes...that happens all the time...BUT I DON'T MAKE A LIST OF ALL THE PROGRAMS I AND MY SON INSTALL NOW DO I??? 3. Has your child asked for new hardware? Yes...a new computer, PSP7 anniversary edition, games, etc. As long as I like them I don't care...it isn't like he is going to get on Paint Shop Pro and hack someone's computer. HE USES IT FOR HIS SITE!!! 4. Does your child read manuals? Nope 5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day? 4-5 hours max. He is a MOD for cring out loud. He has is own site TOO!!! 6. Does your son use Quake? You make it sound like cocaine...no, but they have other wonderful killing games such as Rogue Spear, etc. 7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour? It is called adolescence...get used to it 8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"? actually he deplores Linux, but oh well...What is wrong with Linux? Nothing 9. Has your son radically changed his appearance? Yes...he wears Kahkis now 10. Is your son struggling academically? straight A's...I think not... *this dictation is from darthfergie's Mother and Father* In other words...this guy just needs to learn how to DEAL with the this century and it's technology... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenthunter Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Let's see how this checks out for me: 1. Nope 2. Well, my parents have found things they don't remember installing, but none of them have anything to do with hacking. 3. Only becuase we would really need it, duh! 4. Nope 5. 1-2 hours 6. Nope 7. Nope 8. Nope 9. Nope 10. Nope Obviously, this guy was a loser who didn't know whtat he was talking about. Is he suggesting that anyone who wares "Day-Glo" is a hacker? Oh well, thats his problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artoo Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 heehee, you have funny parents! I still can't believe that guy thinks that Hackers is gonna teach anybody how to hack anything. The books history comes right up to the good old AppleII. God if anyone is surfing the web w/ an AppleII then I really feel sorry for them. That book give's the history of computer programming at MIT and SCSU and in the Sierra companies humble begginings. It's a good book I would recommend to anyone of you to go out and read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenthunter Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Anything my parents have discovered that they haven't installed, were usually installed by me. And how could he suggest that 'Flash' was a hacker program? Oh brother.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithMaster2003 Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 in al honesty, maybe this should be moved to the joke thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay the Jester Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I my G@d I'm a hacker, I fit ever one of these descriptions, to the key and then soom. I didn't even know it, I'm so proud. (Note: I was actually pulled into the principle office over suspicion for possible hacking:D, not jokeing. I now have a little red dot by my name:swear:) 1. Have I ever asked my parents to change ISPs? Only about 53 time 2. Are you installing programs on your computer that your parents remember installing? Yes, all the time 3. Have I asked my parents for new hardware? Um.... yes, many many times. 4. Do I read hacker manuals? I once in a while try reading one to get to sleep, worked like a charm 5. How much time do I spend using the computer each day? Sometime up to 6 hours, depending on homework 6. Do I play Quake? Not ever sence carmagedon came out, and that I droped after GB was released. 7. Am I becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour? Big fat yes, I'm just a little bit anti social because of my star wars geekeness. 8. Am I obsessed with "Lunix"? Linux is simple the best built operating system in existance. Just because people that understand computers use linux dosen't make one a hacker... ough. 9. Have I radically changed my appearance? Gosh, let me see, has my dad changed apperances sence he was a child, YES, have I changed quite a bit, let me see, YES. This is so freaking lame. Come on, any kid that dosn't radically change once every 2 days is obviosly not maturing. IT'S CALLED ADOLECENCE, DEAL WITH IT, PEOPLE CHANGE. This guys a dork. 10. Am I struggling academically? Yes, anyone who dosn't struggle with academics cheats, those are your hackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kudar Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Oh dear people, how easily taken in some of you are That "post" is actually an article taken from one of these sites that are heavy on the irony and subtle wit, it's not serious, it's doubtful the person that wrote is even old enough to have kids yet c'mon LUNIX ?? Needing more Ram? "AMD, this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior" It's been kicking around the internet for a couple of months now http://www.adequacy.org/ Any inquiries are directed to legal@adequacy.org. Even though we're always right, reading Adequacy.org is not a substitute for critical thought. Think before you write. here's the original link http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/12/2/42056/2147 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithMaster2003 Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 Kudar is right. It is a really a sarcastic look at the signs of a hacker. EVen though it is all pretty much a joke, the average mom or pop out there would probably take this seriously. No offense to anyone or anything, but the public as a whole can sometimes be somewhat stupid. So imagine the sheltered person who rarely uses the computer. Imagine someone like that reading this thread. They would probably believe it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digl Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I was surfing around the web tonight and I stumbled across this interesting post in some message board I posted this at Yoda’s Swamp, here in lucasforums Its a joke, but some people believed that ****, just take a look at the replies they made http://home.dal.net/shrub/Adequacy_org Is Your Son a Computer Hacker.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Ohhhh... I can hack all right... but but I only hack when software companies ask me to test thier products (they aren't every big companies either, so I don't get much cash for it ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DashRendar Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 ROFLOL This guy IS a nut man I could see right through it the second I read "Comet Cursor" SHEESH! Comet Cursor is a program that changes your cursor! thats just bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Prince_Xizor Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 LOL...MORON!!!....Quake doesnt teach how to use guns, hack,and be a social retard! I spend Atleast 4-5hours on my computer every damn day! And what the ****...IM NOT GETTING BAD GRADES IN SCHOOL!....whata ya kno.....that loser is like my dad.....they are both ****ing retards that think the world is run on education and disipline!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Discipline sucks, school sucks, rules suck, the world sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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