Meksilon Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Okay, I'm not posting anymore in that other thread, I thought it'd be better to start a new one. Yes I did put some creative thought into the unusual title . Originally posted by Natty How dare you say I am not a catholic? You don't even friggen know me, it's my opinion that I believe the pope should get with the programme- we're living in the year2002 now, we're not in the 17th centuary anymore. It's my opinion- so deal with it. Did you read this passage Natty? Matthew 5:17-19 (Jesus speaking) [17]Do not think I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [18]I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the last stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. [19]Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commandments will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. WHAT FRIGGING DIFFRANCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT CENTUARY WE'RE IN?!? If It was wrong THEN it is wrong NOW. It is still wrong to murder, it is still wrong to have a homosexual lover. Catholics beleive the pope is (if you like) "God's spokesman" on earth. Apparently the pope is more important to God than anyone else. Originally posted by Natty Maybe I should say that God doesn't exsist? Does that make you happy? I think god is a jerk, he can kiss my arse, I had sex with satan and I'm pregnant with his child. I can't beleive how disrespectful you are. That is THE most hypocritical statement I've ever read. It's compleatly Sataniest. Originally posted by Natty Sheeeeeesh, sure I've seen people talk rubbish sometimes, but you really take the cake- get over it, why should I agree with everything the pope says? No, that would be Lupe remember? Oh yeah, well sorry for pointing out your self-contradictions. I have refrained from writing personal attacks on anyone and I am hugely offended by your previous post. It proves to me you aren't Christian and you don't love or even care about God. =mek= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Haven't you ever heard of sarcasm? I was being sarcastic when I said I had sex with satan. I can see I obviously hit a sore spot. I don't understand why gay people should be condemed just because of who they prefer sexually. I agree with the murdering though, that is still wrong. If the pope is the only person God cares about then why should we worship/follow him, whatever you wanna call it? Isn't that being disrespectful to his followers, like you and me, and everyone else?When I did Religious Education in primary school and also from my parents, I was brought up to treat everyone with respect, now if what you're saying is true about about the pope being the only one god respects, that means he doesn't respect us, so why should I give him any respect? (and I believe you pulled that comment out of thin air) If people treat me with respect, I'll treat them with respect. Which is why I respect gay people, they are the same as you and me, only they choose to love/have sex with the same sex. I am catholic, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything the religion is about, it's like politics, sure I might support Labor, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with all their policies. Also I was very offended when you said I'm not catholic, so I support gay people- why is that such a terrible thing? Gawd how the hell do you put people on ignore on this thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duder Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Hhhhmmmmm.... Religion causes so much anger. Just from reading this thread I see that one person has put so much faith into something that they have written all homosexual people off as morally corrupt. In my opinion that is hugely ignorant. You dare to judge someone for being themselves. I'm not gay, but I have no problem with people who are (for what possible reason could I have?). I don't place myself in any religion, I was forced to go to a Baptist church as a child, when I think back to it, the moral codes I live by arent that different. The way I choose to live my life will be the way I will be judged in death, if there is such thing as a 'judgment'. I am not worried, I have faith in myself. I understand why you may have been upset by Natty's sarcasm, I don't like it myself, but I think her point may be that you should use your own judgment rather than placing it all in a religious scriptures, and figures. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Originally posted by duder I think her point may be that you should use your own judgment rather than placing it all in a religious scriptures, and figures. I agree. That's exactly what I meant, I prefer to use my own judgment, rather than have someone basically tell me what I can and can't feel or think. Just because I don't agree with some aspects of religion doesn't mean I have no respect, I will only have no respect, if like I said in my previous post and that is if it is true that the only person God respects is the pope. I believe in god, and I'm catholic, deal with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 Originally posted by Natty Haven't you ever heard of sarcasm? I was being sarcastic when I said I had sex with satan. You don't say? I still find your sarcastic comments offensive, and I would think most Christians would especially comming from someone who claims to be Christian. Do you know then ten commandments? Namely: "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name" Originally posted by Natty I can see I obviously hit a sore spot. I don't understand why gay people should be condemed just because of who they prefer sexually. Because that is what God says. In fact God tells us that he has a plan for hedrosexual relationships/marrage so why bother arguing at all. =mek= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I suppose you've seen 'the man who sued god' then? By saying something like 'it was an act of god' is that misusing his name? I would think so, but I suppose in your sense of reasoning that doesn't apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 Every time you spell God with a small G you are misusing His name. I never say things like "Oh my God" or "That was an act of God" or "Jesus Christ!" or anything else like that. I find a simple word starting with an "F" sufficient for the task. =mek= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 So now you're correcting how I spell? My god you really are sad, get out and get some fresh air- how the hell do you put people on ignore here? You still haven't answered any of my questions- makes me wonder if you have any evidence to back these claims, especially those about the pope being the only person G od has any respect for. I'm still waiting for proper evidence on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duder Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Originally posted by Meksilon Because that is what God says. In fact God tells us that he has a plan for hedrosexual relationships/marrage so why bother arguing at all. =mek= There is no point in arguing with you. This kind of comment is precisely the reason why I have little time for church, and religion. For people that preach about forgiveness, and caring for one another, you seem to create more social divides than most. I know this isn't everyone, but I have heard this kind of crap many times b4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadmeat_X Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I'm not a believer, never were, never will be. I look at all the suffering religion caused, and that's reason enough for me to hate religion. Well, maybe hate is a big word, but I don't have much respect for the people who's life is all about their religion. I think it's okay to believe in a higher power, and it's okay to get together with people that believe in the same power, but if you force other people to believe the same (wich mosty religions do), you very wrong. And killing for your religion is just idiotic. People are forgetting that most of it is just made up. They take their book (Bible, Koran) too serious. I mean, if there was a god, you really think he'd get pi55ed if you spelled his name with a smell g on a monkey island-forum? He'll punish you, because you don't hate gay people? You'll go to hell if you say "JESUS!" when you're really suprised? If you honistly think that, you should go see a doctor in my opnion, cause you're afraid for something that was made up ages ago. There is no 'right' religion, there is no wrong religion. Some of the thing in the Bible make real sense, like "Thou shall not kill", but couldn't someone come up with that himself? Isn't it logical? Do you really need a book to tell you what right and whats wrong? People are supposed to get their own opinion, not just copy it from some book. If you hate gays, and have a good reason for it (for example, you have once been abused by a gay), that's okay. But hating people just cause a book tells you to hate 'em, that's just ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense. And off course, the pope is just an old man. If he's holy or anything, half of the world is, cause he does nothing but waving and reading speeches. Like a teacher. I rest my case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 **** you, Meksi. Just because you quote the bible every god-given chance doesn't mean we have to, you ignorant prick. If we're going to burn in hell, in your opinion, fine, but don't shove it in our faces; what if we don't believe in that particular version of the afterlife? Don't shove your beliefs on us, and on another point, what's up with being gay? I'm sorry, but it seeems that you are a prejudiced, hypocritical, tree-shaggin', off with the fairies, 'I'm so great because I believe in something that may not even exist', holier-than-thou, bigotist, cluster****. I don't often swear, and I have said this about just 3 people in my almost 2 years here, and later polled to get one of them back, but I thiink you should be banned, at least from this particular division of the forums. I do not await a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COJ Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I say...Griswold wrote the bible and god is only his imagination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked for this, but IMO religion is a waste of time. There are all these people who think the stuff other people think, that bad, bad, bad.... I am a Markcist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duder Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 do you mean marxist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 ok, Mek, I have a big fat f*cking bone to pick with you. You are an ignorant, self centered, prick who is just a simple f*cking clone who doesn't think for himself and doesn't want anybody to have that privlige either. You want a dictatorship, well, f*ck you, I want an Anarchy. We all have different opinions, so if you don't like them you can f*ck off. You whine and complain "oooh, its so offensive, help me...." p*ss off you sh*t. Just because we are one religion doesn't mean we practice it...and just because you don't believe in our moral standards doesn't mean you have the right to tell us how to practice our religion or how to run our lives. You accuse us of not being faithful when I can truely see you are just afraid of not being accepted in a certain 'group' of individuals, you are trying to make us feel bad about ourselfs and trying to convince yourself that you are doing it for the greater good. Well God help me I will not tolerate ANYONE who will tell me or my friends how to run our lives...the Godesses, God, Jahova, Jesus, whoever is up there knows that people should be FREE and that we should have the right to practice any religion the way we want to, so help me if I go to hell...I'll enjoy myself believing in what I believe, so you can crawl back into your hole and you enjoy your slavery of the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kjølen Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Originally Posted by Me Tough question. -Catholic -Beautiful -Smart -Kind, Generious, nice -Slightly temperous (Must have sometime in common) -Likes computers, PS2, Nintendo, etc. -Good sense of humor -Slightly sick sense of humor (*See "Slightly temperous" in the ( )'s) -Doesn't see other boys and says 'C Ya!' -Brave, Slightly shy (Not like "Can't speak to ANYONE!") -Good will power -MUST LIKE MONKEY ISLAND! That would be the perfect girl....*sigh.... Oh no... I started all of this...I feel so sad and guilty... PS: God loves everyone. God doesn't love ANYONE more than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Originally posted by Guybrush M-T PS: God loves everyone. God doesn't love ANYONE more than anyone else. spoken like a true wiseman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 I think Brief's post makes up my thoughts... Whats with the mob mentality against this guy? From what I see (unless there was something in a different topic) he is simply contradicting the words of some with facts from the bible, he is not contradicting using his own opinions. Granted, he should probably not be coming off nearly as strong as he is, and I completely agree that beliefs should not be forced upon somebody else. But to have numerous people repeatedly lay into him about it, is taking it a little bit far. I'd ask that one of the mods here do their job, and close the topic if it is causing this much controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Originally posted by Guybrush M-T What happend to my post? I had it here.... Where did it go? Its still here dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Mek... I think that you need to stop refering to other people as evil. And stop accusing people who are or support gay people. Gay is not evil. It is just something someone way born with. And if they they are born with it they can't help it. And everyone can resist evil. If they can't resist being gay, it is not evil. Also, you cannot tell people if they are or are not Catholic or any other religion. Please stop. If you keep making people feel lousy, I will somehow have you banned. That is not a threat. Just asking you, please stop torturing people. I know I sound all sincere-like but I speak the truth. I started this mess in the Boyfriend/Girlfriend post. So I want to clean it up. Please stop fighting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Guybrush? It's not your fault all this arguing about religion started, Mek started it when he started slagging off his girlfriend coz she's catholic, at least 3 or 4 posts had gone by after your comment about your perfect girl being catholic and no one had said anything. I don't mind people having their opinions about religion, but when people force his or her beliefs on me, that's when I get annoyed, I made a comment about something and Mek laid into me, accusing me of being a hypocrite and then, also not being catholic only because I support gay people and coz I think the pope needs a reality check into the 21st centuary. I may not be very religious, and my mum actually agrees with me on the pope needing to wake up and smell the roses, although mum is against gays- but she's had to deal with it coz of me having some gay friends, but she respects them for the life they have chosen to live (and I honestly don't know if you're born gay or you choose to become gay- and I don't think we'll ever know) And it's spelt Ihovia I think? I know it begins with I not J hehehehe, all those years of watching Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade have paid off, I learned something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grannen Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Originally posted by Natty Guybrush? It's not your fault all this arguing about religion started, Mek started it when he started slagging off his girlfriend coz she's catholic, at least 3 or 4 posts had gone by after your comment about your perfect girl being catholic and no one had said anything. I don't mind people having their opinions about religion, but when people force his or her beliefs on me, that's when I get annoyed, I made a comment about something and Mek laid into me, accusing me of being a hypocrite and then, also not being catholic only because I support gay people and coz I think the pope needs a reality check into the 21st centuary. I may not be very religious, and my mum actually agrees with me on the pope needing to wake up and smell the roses, although mum is against gays- but she's had to deal with it coz of me having some gay friends, but she respects them for the life they have chosen to live (and I honestly don't know if you're born gay or you choose to become gay- and I don't think we'll ever know) And it's spelt Ihovia I think? I know it begins with I not J hehehehe, all those years of watching Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade have paid off, I learned something Deeply religious people are often the less tolerant ones! And re Jehova - here is a list for you. Forms of the divine name in different languages, indicating international acceptance of the form Jehovah Awabakal - Yehóa Bugotu - Jihova Cantonese - Yehwowah Danish - Jehova Dutch - Jehovah Efik - Jehovah English - Jehovah Fijian - Jiova Finnish - Jehova French - Jéhovah Futuna - Ihova German - Jehova Hungarian - Jehova Igbo - Jehova Italian - Geova Japanese - Ehoba Maori - Ihowa Motu - Iehova Mwala-Malu - Jihova Narrinyeri - Jehovah Nembe - Jihova Petats - Jihouva Polish - Jehowa Portuguese - Jeová Romanian - Iehova Samoan - Ieova Sotho - Jehova Spanish - Jehová Swahili - Yehova Swedish - Jehova Tahitian - Iehova Tagalog - Jehova Tongan - Jihova Venda - Yehova Xhosa - uYehova Yoruba - Jehofah Zulu - uJehova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted January 9, 2002 Author Share Posted January 9, 2002 Bear with me. Oh no... I started all of this...I feel so sad and guilty... PS: God loves everyone. God doesn't love ANYONE more than anyone else. God UNCONDITIONALLY loves everyone. Unfortunatly God is unabel to look upon someone with sin (who's on this earth) which is why I presume He can't stop loving. He misses them! You didn't start this, I did. I think Brief's post makes up my thoughts... Whats with the mob mentality against this guy? From what I see (unless there was something in a different topic) he is simply contradicting the words of some with facts from the bible, he is not contradicting using his own opinions. Granted, he should probably not be coming off nearly as strong as he is, and I completely agree that beliefs should not be forced upon somebody else. But to have numerous people repeatedly lay into him about it, is taking it a little bit far. First, the original Topic: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29313&pagenumber=1 http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29313&pagenumber=2 But I see you found it. I am interested to talk to you all, but I mainly interested in the Christians here. That is what I say is targeted at Christans and if you aren't Christian then I encourage you to take up the right Religion . I would like to think they are sticking to what the Bible says and not what they say. Like you said I haven't come up with my own ideas, what I am saying is DIRECTLY from the Bible, and I am against people comming up with their own ideas (like the Pope). The argument "they can't help it" is ludircris, in the same way you can choose to have gay relationships you can murder, rape and disrespect God. AND, yes Natty, I think God cares how we use His Name anywhere. There's a good verse which shows that I'm quite right to hate divorce, I'll find it... "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfathfulness, and marrys another woman commits adultery." (Jesus speaking, Matthew 19:9, see also Mark 10:11-12) Now back on track... it is ludicris to say "come up with your own ideas and abide by them" when you are part of a religion. God and God alone is in authority of what is right and what is wrong and it could not possibly work any other way. Look Natty, Catholics have given the Pope the authority leaders should not have. He has the authority to alter the religion as he sees fit. I don't want to hear any more about it. Mek... I think that you need to stop refering to other people as evil.[/Quote] Who did I ever call evil? If you are born to find the same sex attractive then WOW, you don't say? I mean some people are born alcoholics. You still have that chice and don't tell me you don't. And it's spelt Ihovia I think? I know it begins with I not J. Hmm, the personal Name of God IS Yahweh. It's even registered in the Dictionary, but Jehova is what the Jew's decided to use since they felt Yahewh was too sacred to be used. Some Jew's spell it with an I but everyone else does not (ie, JWs - ACK!) Yahweh on the other hand can be spelt Yahweh, Jahweh, Yahveh, Jahveh. Even used as: Yahwism, Jehwism, Yahvism, Jahvism. I think Christans should go the way of the Bible, God's way and not their own way (shoot me, but everyone should be Christian). Some of your arguments are quite personal and verry aggressive, I'm not the problem here please don't tell ME to calm down and read everyone else's comments. I am yet to see any other Christan here quote from the Bible a verse or two to back them up, and this topic is not realy intended at thoes who aren't Christian. Now I have no doubs that some of you may well be gay and haven't said so here and so don't think I'm talking about people "out there". Natty you are so disrespective of God when you talk I really do doubt you feel any devotion to Him at all. You seem to like not to capatalise, but the 3rd commandment is "You shall not misuse the Name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses His Name". Statements like "Jesus Christ!" or "Oh my God!" are obviously included, why else is there that commandment? So show some respect to your God Natty. No I know because you've all resorted to personally attacking me you need to ask yourselves why you don't try to argue instead. Or acknowledge my points. And perhapps quote the Bible. I have made my position clear many times and you have ignored it. How Foolish. (um, applies to some of you, not all of you ) =mek= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Originally posted by Meksilon Some Jew's spell it with an I but everyone else does not (ie, JWs - ACK!) Actually it IS spelled with an I. It's not the Jew's way, its the LATIN way. Originally posted by Meksilon I am yet to see any other Christan here quote from the Bible a verse or two to back them up, and this topic is not realy intended at thoes who aren't Christian. Now I have no doubs that some of you may well be gay and haven't said so here and so don't think I'm talking about people "out there". Natty you are so disrespective of God when you talk I really do doubt you feel any devotion to Him at all. You seem to like not to capatalise, but the 3rd commandment is "You shall not misuse the Name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses His Name". Statements like "Jesus Christ!" or "Oh my God!" are obviously included, why else is there that commandment? So show some respect to your God Natty. No I know because you've all resorted to personally attacking me you need to ask yourselves why you don't try to argue instead. Or acknowledge my points. And perhapps quote the Bible. I have made my position clear many times and you have ignored it. How Foolish. (um, applies to some of you, not all of you ) =mek= Statements like 'Jesus Christ!' and 'Oh My God!' are included? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! They are not misuses of God's name! They aren't accusing him or speaking down to him, it's not blasphemy....not even God Damnit is blasphemy (Damn means 'Damnation' so Damnit means 'Damn that thing' so if you stub your toe on a rock and scream God Damnit then you are asking God to damn that rock) Secondly, you said "Show a little respect to your God, Natty" HER God? To me it sounds like you want her to respect YOUR GOD! She's Catholic but not as strong as you, there is no way to change that, no way in a million years, so why bother to do that? Just because something is in the Bible doesn't mean it's true and it doesn't mean that you interpret everything right in it. Mind you, the Bible sexist at times.... I believe the Bible states something like "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born and a time to die... ...A time to kill and a time to heal...." There are exceptions, Mek, I don't think you have learned what the bible has said, Murder isn't right, but killing can be acceptable at times....a little evil can be done to preserve true good. And that everything has an exception, maybe humans are to obsolite to comprehend, but if there is a God, he would know, and he wouldn't be that petty to eternally damn us for one little slip up when we stub our toe. Your arguement is poor and weak. You are entitled to believe whatever you can believe, but, you do not have the right to tell us to believe the same thing, you do not have the right to dictate or to represent your God to convert us. Because we've already made our decision, and it isn't a FLAW! Its what we love, and if you don't want God's children to be happy in a (what you think is a) misleading life, then you don't care about anyone but yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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