Bowen Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 This is a new thread about another reply I made to a previous post. I'd like to ask anyone that wants to help stop the spread of hate at this one Neo-Nazi web site. If you don't know what they are about, then let me just say that they really do hate all who are not non-white and they look down on those who are mixed (yours truly). They specifically hate Jews and African Americans. If you do go by this site keep in mind that you will be cussed at, called names and threatened most likely. Don't fall into their little game of hate. It's real easy to get angry and say your going to beat the truth into them. I didn't say that to anyone but believe me, I thought about it a couple of times but that isn't the answer. They even have a game (and I use that term very loosely) called 'Ethnic Cleansing'. The object of the game is to kill Jews and African Americans and use racial slurs against them. If you’re angry about hearing all of this then you should be. Just keep in mind that they like to think that the Aryan race is superior to all other races. That's not to say that all White people think that way. The majority does not anyway. They think of Jewish people as a disease and compare them to rats. If this all seems familiar then it is because Hitler and hi Nazi party started this perverse way of thinking. Like I said to fight these people, you have to use unconventional thinking that is to fight them with Love. I'm not saying that you need get beat without fighting back and say what's on your mind. I did and that's why I was banned off the forum from posting but I did not sink down to their level. When they begin to lose control of arguments they began tossing racial slurs and the like out and call you stupid...that sort of thing. You don't have to make them look stupid because they are quite good at doing this on their lonesome! Here is the forum link. The vast majority of the messages are under 'General Messages'. http://www.resistance.com/bbs/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi Here is the main web page link (you can also get to this by just pressing backspace in the address bar too) http://www.resistance.com If you can pass this along, remember to inform people not to lower themselves to their level. I'd also like to state that I don't hate these guys at all...I do hate what they are doing though! Don't forget to give a special email address if you join up to post messages. You don't want them to know your home or another email address that you use regularly; although I suspect most of you know that though but it does not hurt to remind though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 My previous post was more for action by fighting back then to reply to but if you do repy then this will keep this post up so others who have not seen this thread yet can so.... Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broode Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Don't even try to convert them. The more you say "Can't we all just get along?" the less theyll listen to you. Some people are so stubborn and blindly follow their beliefs that they would rather die than convert. Just look at all the wars in the past 3000 years. The cause of every single one is religion and racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 The American Revolution. The American Civil War. The French Revolution. I could go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 This makes me sick. It promotes a very warped and distorted view of reality. That picture on the message board about "ethnic cleansing" was especially disturbing. I personally tend to look at it as just a bunch of people who need someone to blame for their problems because they are too weak minded to actually come up with productive solutions. Ok, I have to stop reading this crap, its giving me a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 While I agree with what everyone has said, I do think that if enough people get involved it will affect some people. When you look at countries like China who define 'cults' as something very ambiguous, which allows them to get rid and by that I do mean kill if they simply want to. They kill Christians, Muslims, and Jews etc. They are not really racially against these people but they are afraid of it liberating people. My point is that this is a dangerous mindset and than God most of America do not support these types of prejudice and while I don't think we are in any danger of these 'hate' groups getting out of control anytime soon, I do think it is something we should all be aware of. I don't know if any of you keep up with the news but yesterday Israel was attacked by more suicide bombers and what surprised me was a few people on the Nazi board commented that it was too bad that there were not Americans doing stuff like this to the non-whites here. That's a big jump from saying that you hate a group of people to encouraging suicide bombers here in the U.S. I have a feeling if the government is not already watching them they will be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 I would like to inflict mass amounts of pain upon these people. I dont hate them, but I hate that they hate other people for dumb reasons. Thats legitimate isnt it? Anyway, all you skinheads out there, lock your doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 4, 2002 Author Share Posted March 4, 2002 Originally posted by Chanke4252 I would like to inflict mass amounts of pain upon these people. I dont hate them, but I hate that they hate other people for dumb reasons. Thats legitimate isnt it? Anyway, all you skinheads out there, lock your doors. I completely understand how you feel about that but we have to "be mindful of our actions" (I'm sorry, I really wanted to use something like that one day..hehe) seriously....we cannot lower ourselves to their level. They try to mock people and say that it's cowardly not to fight back and I'm not telling anyone not to fight back, just not to play their game. I feel like doing this when I hear their beliefs though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 I've always wondered why someone could hate someone else that much for such pointless reasons. I pity these wretches and pray for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD_ToRMeNt Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 I have absolutely no love for any neo-nazi/kkk/whatever groups. Even though "fighting them" may seem a good idea, I think it's best to just leave them be. If you want to fight them, promote understanding and unity in your own community to prevent thier kind from gaining any more converts. Don't bother confronting them directly, you'll just be asking for trouble. They're to ingorant and stupid to give up thier illusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kx_Dra_Sycdan Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 "If you want to fight them, promote understanding and unity in your own community to prevent thier kind from gaining any more converts" i absolutely agree with that. however it's not good to view it as them and us, when in reality they unfortunatly are us, albeit wretchedly ignorant they still are alive and still believe that their hateful ignorent ways are the only way, what i mean is its not safe to just ignore them and expect them to just "catch on" you know what i mean. it's our responsiblitity to show them how wrong they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 4, 2002 Author Share Posted March 4, 2002 Yeah, it does not do much good talking to them even when you keep your cool. I grew up in Georgia and there is a lot of prejudice and hate there especially against African Americans. Growing up, I thought making jokes about 'Blacks' was the norm until I was in my mid teens and something started not to feel right ya know. It starts when we're young. People influence us and impress their opinions on us, right and wrong opinions. When you see small children say...2 to 5 or so.... you’ll notice that they will play with any kid no matter the color because people are not born prejudice. It's something we learn as we get older simply because others don't look like us, talk like us or think like us. It's up to us to impress good opinions...no I'm sorry prejudice is not just an opinion, it's wrong. That is one truth that is not relative but absolute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 Sadly, racism and hatred of those who are different (through no fault of their own) is not new to gaming, the internet, or the human race in general. Most historians and sociologists will tell you that the Nazis didn't invent racism, or the KKK, etc. It didn't even start with African slavery. Probably one could trace it back to the first time that one person used a difference in natural appearance as an excuse to treat his fellow as less than a person. I guess the best solution is to take a firm stand NOT to fall into the intellectual traps these people build for themselves by finding scapegoats for all their problems based on some "other" group who can't help being born with certain traits (skin color, genes, whatever), that and education. Science has shown that there is precious little difference between people, when you come down to it. The real differences between people are based on their behavior. As an American, I'm one who believes in freedom of speech, and this right even extends to those who I feel are dead wrong (like racists for example). That doesn't mean I can't express my disagreement with them, however. In my country, there are still pockets of racism to varying degrees around, and sadly, this is not just an American problem, but rather widespread. This group hates that group that hates that group that hates that group. Sometimes its because of something some long dead people did or the reasons are based on pseudoscience or just looking for somebody to blame. However, we also shouldn't fall into the trap of blaming one group of people for something like racism. Southerners for example, get a bad rap (the "redneck racist" stereotype). A wise man (I believe it was Malcolm X) once said that he actually preferred Southern American racism to Northern... because at least the Southerners were up front and honest about who they hated and why. Still, it's out there, and it's important to understand the threat it can represent (if those ideas are turned into actions against innocent people). I think we can take some comfort knowing that the people here are decent and understanding enough not to let that kind of crap go on on our site. Just look at all the wars in the past 3000 years. The cause of every single one is religion and racism. Two words: Scarce resources (ie. economics/greed = the causes of war) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 Im not actually going to "inflict mass amounts of pain" on them, its just how it makes me feel. Im not the overly violent kind of guy, just so you understand my post if you didnt draw it from that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 5, 2002 Author Share Posted March 5, 2002 Originally posted by Chanke4252 Im not actually going to "inflict mass amounts of pain" on them, its just how it makes me feel. Im not the overly violent kind of guy, just so you understand my post if you didnt draw it from that already. No, I did not think you were out to get anyone. I just wanted to comment on watching yourself because I know when I first went there, I became so angry at them because they were casually talking about other people being like insects and disease, like we talk about JKO...really! But if you've been there then you already know that. The best solution is like what Kurgan has said by being aware of them, but not rushing them and fighting them using their terms. Right or wrong, you still lose because they don't care if it's the truth or not. They are in this 'cause' and no matter what they are going to try to push it forward. I think that in the beginning Adolph Hitler was not the same man he was, when he committed suicide. After all, it was the United States Secret Service who had him go in and infiltrate the Nazi regime, so that he could tell us what they were all about. I'm not blaming the U.S. of course because how would we know he was going to turn on us and become one of the world’s worst enemies in history. I think he would eventually have gone to them anyway. I believe it akin to some of the cults we have here today. People want to fight for a cause and more than not when they go into something that is "questionable", they don't do a little research and common sense. Hitler became evil though.... he knew what he was doing murdering all those innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 5, 2002 Author Share Posted March 5, 2002 Has anyone seen "We Were Soldiers" with Mel Gibson yet? I have and it's awesome! I don't mean it was cool to see people getting killed but the way the story was and plus it is based on a true story.... not a true story like "A Beautiful Mind" where they change and leave out major stuff. It shows war in a more realistic way. It doesn't glorify it and it shows how the top brass in the U.S. then royally screwed up from day one. Also the guy who played the sniper in "Saving Private Ryan" was in it too. I don't know his name but he plays a pivotal part in the movie. They depict the enemy as being the enemy but not necessarily bad ya know. It's like a lot of the Nazi soldiers were simply fighting for Germany. I think the movie will get some Oscar nominations. The TV trailer for it is saying that this is the first 'Oscar Worthy' movie this year. It's a really good movie but prepare to get teary in it because when you see it, you'll cry about the killing and how these guys cared for each other despite their differences in race or religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argath Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 I think that in the beginning Adolph Hitler was not the same man he was, when he committed suicide. After all, it was the United States Secret Service who had him go in and infiltrate the Nazi regime, so that he could tell us what they were all about. Hitler never had anything to do with the United States or the US Secret Service--he certainly wasn't a US spy. He was an Austrian who fought for Germany in World War I and eventually joined the newly-founded NSDAP, which later evolved into the Nazi party. He was anti-semitic even when he first joined the party; he and Anton Drexler, the NSDAP's founder, created a program that focused on destroying the Jews in early 1920, nearly two decades before World War II. His plans for aryan domination were well-thought-out long before they were implemented, so he certainly wasn't just a good guy gone bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kx_Dra_Sycdan Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 Originally posted by Bowen I think that in the beginning Adolph Hitler was not the same man he was, when he committed suicide. After all, it was the United States Secret Service who had him go in and infiltrate the Nazi regime, so that he could tell us what they were all about. What the hell? did you get that off of one of those idiot's web-sites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 Argath, old chum, welcome to the site! Somebody get this guy a chocolate medallion... ; ) Bowen: I had heard of Hitler being a spy, but certainly NOT for any Allied country, never. And yes, he was a racialist opportunist from early on, by most accounts. I'd be curious to see where you got your information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. -Jack Handey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 Racism (as in discrimination against an 'other' you do not know and are therfore fearful of) is an unfortunate reality across the world. People who buy into it are normally looking for an easy answer to their problems which they can be proactive about solving (it is this 'solving' that causes much of the human-based problems throughout history). Kurgan covers it pretty well in his post. These people can be reasoned with (as there really is as much genetic divergence inside a given 'race' as there are between them - differences between 'races' are purely cosmetic) and generally are merely mis-informed people. Neo-Nazis on the other hand (this also applies to the KKK and other inflammatory supremist groups) are typically sick individuals who get off on other people's pain and suffering. They merely use racial divisions as a means of targeting their agression, focusing on minorities who are unable to defend themselves. Do not listen to them, don't try and reason with them, just ignore them 'till they inevitably break the law, and if you are around when it happens call the police and do the best you humanly can to get them locked up. IMHO they are little better than vicious animals. *dismounts from soapbox* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 Ignore them, all they want is attention. You kind of have to feel sorry for them, their isolated little groups must strive for inflated egos, but with followers that barely make it in the double digits at one place it must be hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 im glad that many people feel strongly against these type of people, i do also, but we cant just squash them because we disagree with them. everyone's rights are protected... as long as they arent bothering anyone, or doing anything illegle.... you cannot lock up people based on their beliefs... if you go around badgering them because you disagree, then you are no better than they are... ok, so we all are probably better than they are. but still, its not the answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 6, 2002 Author Share Posted March 6, 2002 Originally posted by Kurgan Argath, old chum, welcome to the site! Somebody get this guy a chocolate medallion... ; ) Bowen: I had heard of Hitler being a spy, but certainly NOT for any Allied country, never. And yes, he was a racialist opportunist from early on, by most accounts. I'd be curious to see where you got your information. I had not been interested in History specifically WWII history until quite recently. I heard that the Secret Service recruited Hitler only for infiltrating the Nazi party. I heard this on the History channel. Now I'm assuming they are telling the truth here because if they were not, they would hear from a ton a people. I believe it was shown on "Sworn to Secrecy" program that they have. I'm not claiming to be a History expert surely not but I would think info such as this is the truth. Aside from that one of my friends who knows a great deal about WWII confirmed what I told him so I think this is the truth here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 6, 2002 Author Share Posted March 6, 2002 Originally posted by acdcfanbill im glad that many people feel strongly against these type of people, i do also, but we cant just squash them because we disagree with them. everyone's rights are protected... as long as they arent bothering anyone, or doing anything illegle.... you cannot lock up people based on their beliefs... if you go around badgering them because you disagree, then you are no better than they are... ok, so we all are probably better than they are. but still, its not the answer... I agree that everyone has a right to their own opinion but acting on their racist beliefs is a crime....at least in the U.S.. That is they talk about segregating Jews and Blacks at the very least and at the very most they talk about getting rid of them. Now I would say those are dangerous opinions wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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