Lord_FinnSon Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 -- Thats all fine. But they should really use models, since all this CGI starting to make me throw up. They ARE also using models. All these scenes are actually mixture of CGI, models and life-action footage, but when they go further along and integrate everything into the same scene, you can't tell easily which is which anymore. However it would be impractical and time consuming to make everything CGI; only when you can't use model of ship to do difficult maneuvers, for example, or building full size set would cost too much, making stunt with real actor would be too dangerous and guy inside "rubber suit" doesn't convince anyone as a creature. If movie then have unified CGI look, I think it's much better than doing it "conventional" way and building almost everything from scratch and THEN add few CGI elements there that would stick out from rest of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue15 I hope i did a good job of making myself look like an asshole. You don't even need to post to do th... no, that's too unkind of me I thought that TPM was quite good - certainly not of the original trilogy's quality, but still good I'm expecting AotC to be considerably better than TPM, which might just make it nearly as good as the originals... maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolsen Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Originally posted by Kylilin you know, you don't have to go see the movie if you think its going to be that bad... Exactly, It's not as if someone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!! ARE YOU ON DRUGS MAN? no u dont know what drugs are....no more tylonal(or however the **** u spell it) for u, young man:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jared Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 errr...I was talkIng to rogue 15 btw the trailer didnt suck u...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Seeing as Vagabond already covered most of my views with regards to the potential of the movie (how I laughed when palpatine said that he needed emergency powers in the trailer) I'll get stuck in to the rest of it... But they should really use models, since all this CGI starting to make me throw up. A valid point when used in context of aliens in the actor-lead scenes, but not in the space-driven ones. Star Wars is space opera, which needs grandiose, epic scenes to really wow the audience and set them in the frame of mind necessary to accept clear cut good guys/bad guys (there is no moral ambiguity about characters in the films, goodness is rewarded while evil actions reap dire consequences). As this completely contradicts the average person's day-to-day experiences setting the film in a remotely realistic fashion, or even using 'quirky' model shots (which the unedited star wars effects are now considered to be) would be stupid. new trailer I think it kinda sucked. The trailer was a masterpiece. The purpose of a trailer is to increase the profile of a movie (arguably a no-brainer with SW), by inciting debate amongst fans, reminding the average person that the film is coming out, and to start kids shouting "I want one!" every time something vaguely toy like gets screen time. See the multiple posts, not just on this forum but on others about the trailer, talk to people you know who aren't specifically star wars fans who are now excited or at least aware that the film is coming out. It HAD potential For some one who tells other posters to go to bed. your mom is calling., that is a remarkably fourteen year-old view. You haven't seen the film and already you're panning it, your pessimistic and angsty attitude reminds me of a Fred Durst fan. that guy that plays anakin(blocked out name on purpose) is just to anoying. Fair point but he might just of come of badly in the ... no I can't bring myself to defend him, I'm looking forwards to him suffering hideous injuries in EP3! Natalie portman. She is also very young and absolutely shines with her abscense of character n charisma A completely unfair assessment, she delivered a competent performance in TPM, which is very hard to do as an actor in largely CG environments, only the senate scene failed because of her. As for all that nonsense about Lucas pinching ideas from Lord of the Rings, LOTR was such an epic masterpiece that it redefined the entire fantasy genre. The sequence of books displays at one time or another just about every human personality there is and so almost any character in fantasy can be said to resemble a character from LOTR. I can't believe that Gollum's demise was compared to Palpatine's, the two scenes are entirely different in symbolism and context. *pauses for breath* phew, got a little flamey there, debate aside welcome to the forums Lorewin, cya around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Well, I will do what I always do...ignore the hype and criticism, and go and watch the movie with an open mind, and judge it on it's own merits. I gave into temptation and watched the last AOTC trailer, and it looked very good...but so did the ones for TPM, and although enjoyable in parts, I felt that movie didn't quite gel as a whole. So I certainly won't judge the film by watching a trailer. Of course, having watched the original Star Wars at the age of 10, the classic trilogy will always have a special palce in my heart. But I am not naive enough to forget that the 70's were a different age, far removed from this one, and my own view of the past is probably through rose-tinted glasses. Some people will like AOTC, and others will loathe it. I won't know where I stand until I actually see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brosser_1999 Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Ok kiddies time to put our hormones to rest. We all have this thing called our own OPINION. Personally, I liked TPM. Not as much as the original trilogy, but I did like it. Like StormHammer said Ill go and watch the movie with an open mind, and judge it on it's own merits. The bottom line is if you see the movie you will either like it or you wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 ...The bottom line is if you see the movie you will either like it or you wont... That's a very boolean statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I love how most of you accuse others of being 'kiddies' and immature, all the while complaining in fractured and broken sentances about a simple series that was made to entertain people. If you are going to insult somebody, have something to back you up. I would like to quote a cool d00d on these forums, who typed out the following passage: (It's found in the other trailer thread) "Okay, have any of you actually watched the trilogy lately? I mean, just watch it. The acting is terrible, the "chemistry" between Han and Leia is uncomfortable, and lando is just plain annoying. And so, the movies of old, are very similar to these new ones, except the new ones have far better effects and better action sequences, but the acting quality and all the little things in Ep I that everyone hated are really not much different from those "beloved" first films. The problem is that everyone is expecting good old George to take them back to their childhood or whenever it was that you were first taken in with the story and give you back that old feeling. But that will never happen. Why, because it was something special that captured your imagination and sort of hit you in the gut with this great feeling that you will always associate with those old movies and can not recreate with the new ones. Just think about it. Remember something from your childhood: a best friend, a trip to a waterpark, whatever. Then go back and see if the same feeling that sparked such wonder the first time hits you again. I can promise you now that it won't, because it has already happened and what you remember will not be what you see. Case in point, I know of this guy that just loved the mickey mouse club when he was a kid, but now, he'll occasionally try to watch it, and will just turn it off, because the grand adventures and the happy singing and all the stuff he loved, has vanished and all he sees now is cheesy skits, off key kid singing, and people that might just be considered gay now. So, what I'm getting to is that these new movies aren't that bad. They are actually very good, and are doing a great job of filling in all those gaps. Which is another reason why people don't like them because what they had thought should happen to fill in those gaps turned out to be something else. But just think about Ep I the "kid's Star Wars movie" Go ask any kid if they got the plot of it and they will probably say that they didn't, because the plot was really well done. People griped saying "What's this? Just some stupid trade blockade" When as you probably know, it was an elaborate setup instigated by the future emperor to take him from "senator" to "Supreme Chancelor" Now, was Jake Lloyd annoying? Absolutely. "Yippee!" But, was Luke annoying? *insert nasal voice here* "But I wanted to go to Toche Station to get some power converters." Ep I annoyances: Jar Jar, Anakin, bad guys delivering lines as if they're reading from a poorly written small print cue card, good guys delivering lines in such a monotone way that they may very well have been robots with poor dialog programing, and a few miscellaneous things Trilogy annoyances: Luke constantly whining, Both Imperial and Rebel troops delivering their lines as if they're reading from a poorly written small print cue card, main good guys overacting as they say their lines *insert nasal voice here* "No! That's not possible! Nooooooo!!! Gahh!!" (That was luke BtW) Leia: "This isn't over yet." Han: "It is for me sister", poor special effects (rancor fight anyone?) and a few miscellaneous things. So, as you can see both sets have their annoyances and are really similar to each other save one thing: The new ones can never take you back to that place or give you that same feeling as the old ones, and know what? Neither can the old ones. Just go and watch them from a rational point of view and you will see the bad acting the stilted dialog the "Old Buddy" lines that just make you cringe and the couple of parts with shoddy effects as well as many, many other annoyances. If you do that, you will find that Lucas hasn't recently lost his mind, but possibly did a long time ago. Or, he never lost his wits, and has retained that quality that allows him to punch out incredible movies that people love despite their flaws. So, it's not that the new ones are worse than the old ones, it's that you can't replace or recreate those sacred memories with something that bears the same name. Just approach these new ones without the expectations of nostalgic childhood memories, and you will see that they really are good movies. So, sorry for the rant, I just get sick of hearing all these gripes about the new ones not being on par with the old. So just my two cents. And P.S. that Mickey Mouse Club person is not me, since you were bound to be wondering. *shudders* Mickey Mouse Club." All the people who whine and ***** about the movie not being of the high quality of the first ones, get a life. Face it, you've grown up, it was a movie, they weren't masterpieces, even if they have that certain something. There was plenty of problems with the first ones, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Yeah, I agree with what JediKnight_114 wrote. I couldn't have wrote it better myself; not with my English, or then it would have taken considerable time to come up with something like that. It's just so darn hard to give people something totally new that would amaze them after all these years and all these movies. I have to disagree with bad acting though when it comes to Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher and how Lucas(and his pals) developed the relationship between Han and Leia in ESB; even Alec Guinness' performance still has a great impact on me and his smiles and little emotions carry humanity with them, and Frank Oz as a voice of Yoda is top notch and a pure classic. Still, main point has never been how good or bad performances are, but instead how believable actors are portraying their characters: I have heard too many people complaining how bad Mark Hamill was, but they don't seem to understand the fact that Luke WAS a young boy and a little bit naive, and "whining" is nothing new, when it comes to most teenagers in our society. So, Mark did his job just right; you can't blame him being naive, when he has to play a naive boy. Another example is Jake Lloyd: I think he was just an ordinary kid, so you can't demand big emotions that a professional child actor like Haley Joel Osment could do and get a Oscar nomination out of it. Star Wars has never been pure drama, so it doesn't have to have realistic lines and performances. BTW, why is everyone talking about "new movies", when we have only seen first one of them completely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorewin Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 Nice book, whens it being published? I´d like to point out something to a few morrons saying "dont say its bad till you´ve seen it". HAH! I´ve only said the trailer was bad and it looks horrible. I didnt say it will be horrible, maybe the trailer is decieving and it turns out not to be another ep1 fiasko. As for your rant about nostalgia, face it, ep1 isnt good compared to ANY movie. ok maybe not that bad, its easy a 3/5. And luke is nowhere near the anoyance factor as Jake Loyd was or I suspect the new Anakin will be. I must say that harrison ford n fisher sort of have a mechanical dialogue but still, every damn actor sounded like robots in ep1. well to be honest I think Palpatine and our 2 jedis did ok(no, not maul). - The eye is ever watchfull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troop5 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 I will have to agree with the people that didnt like phantom menace. What you guys said is exactly what i feel. I mean it just wasnt star wars to me. All the politics and bland characters plus the annoying jar-jar really made the movie hard to endure. I remember sitting in the theater half way through thinking, "what the heck is this crap?" Whats really funny is i can play a game like Jedi Knight Dark Forces 2 and watch the beginning FMV and the feeling i had watching the originals comes back, a 3 minute FMV. Too bad the whole EP1 movie couldnt do that. The trailers for EP2 look like the same kind of stuff in EP1, lots of boring politic talk and computer graphics galore. Btw, what were those flying things suppose to be in that one trailer? Some kind of creatures or droids? Oh well, at least this time im not rushing out the theaters when it comes out, ill wait and see what ppl think of it first. Then ill make my decision whether to see it or not. cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 I'll settle this! It's obvious that Attack of the Killer Tomatoes blows all movies away...it has action, adventure bad acting nausea. I start crying whenever I ....I ....I'm sorry I can't go on....*sniff* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalGuard Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 TPM was a good film in its own right but didn't capture the feelings of the original trilogy. ANH and ESB are widely accepted as being amongst the greatest films of all time. TPM isn't. The reason? Not, as some suggested, childhood nostalgia (some of the critics who rate the film highest saw it well out of childhood) but idealism. The original Star Wars blew people away with its earnest approach to cinema. Lucas' black and white universe drew people in who were tired of the grey cynicism of the world in which they lived. A new category of film, space opera, had to be created to define it as it didn't conform to preconceived classifications. TPM on the other hand was as much about prolonging the franchise of Star Wars as it was telling a story. Some of its greatest scenes (Maul vs two Jedi, Gungan/Droid battle, podracing) were marred by the fact that they were blatant attempts to sell toys and collectibles. The usually fantastic Liam Neeson barely managed to keep his dignity intact and Ewan McGregor was uncharacteristically subdued. Compared to Harrison Ford's energy Alec Guiness' sublime performance TPM really is left only with breathtaking set-pieces to make a movie which just isn't enough for Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Originally posted by Bowen I'll settle this! It's obvious that Attack of the Killer Tomatoes blows all movies away...it has action, adventure bad acting nausea. I start crying whenever I ....I ....I'm sorry I can't go on....*sniff* Nah...Plan 9 From Outer Space blows Killer Tomatos out of the water! It's probably the worst film ever made... I mean...it's almost as bad as an episode of the Teletubbies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patchx Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 plan 9 from outer space was a master piece! ed wood was a genius! who else could have thought up a plot like that? its got it all...dracula, aliens that look like humans and talk english who wanna take over the world, zombies, a detective, an elvira type chick and there was sort of a frankenstein guy wasnt there? they dont make movies like that any more, i tell ya.. -patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 How about some of those MST3k movies.. "Manos" "Cave Dwellers" anyone? Dang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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