Vestril Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 Ok so in ESB there's the scene where Han is being frozen in Carbonite, and Chewie gets all pissed and attacks the Stormtroopers. Vader doesn't stop him and even goes so far as to save his life by knocking Boba Fetts gun out of the way. Why would he do this? Some people think that its because Threepio was built by Anakin Skywalker so he was protecting him, but I don't think that Lucas had that in mind 20 years before he wrote the script for TPM so lets pretend for this that Episode I never came out (that theory doesn't even make sense anyway). Why would Vader save him? I'm at a complete loss... Han and Leia were more than enough bait for Luke to come and save, and its not like Chewie does anything really important for Vader... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabermasterDude Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I thought that George wrote the movies in order, he just released them at different times. Which would mean that he already knew that Anakin created C-3PO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 No, he didn't, he had a basic idea of what went on beforehand, but he hadn't written it all out. I believe he started the script to Episode I in '94, and I seem to recall hearing (though I could be wrong) that he threw in the fact that Anakin built Threepio when he wrote the full script, and it wasn't a part of the story before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Seph Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 When Vader puts Boba Fetts gun down , i reckon it's because Vader knows that Chewie isnt gonna do much damage. Chewie only fights off 2 or 3 stormtroopers and Vader knows the rest off the stromtroopers will over power chewie if there is more trouble and that Han will stop Chewie any way , thats my theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 When Vader puts Boba Fetts gun down , i reckon it's because Vader knows that Chewie isnt gonna do much damage. Chewie only fights off 2 or 3 stormtroopers and Vader knows the rest off the stromtroopers will over power chewie if there is more trouble and that Han will stop Chewie any way , thats my theory. This makes sense...except it shows a lot of kindness on Vaders part, it would seem as though the most expediant way of dealing with Chewie would just be to let Fett shoot him--why would Vader rather him be alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 simple, another bounty for fett, he want to keep fett around, and figgures that letting him get more bounties is the best way... plus, chewie cant die... even in the EU, i refuse to recognise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 simple, another bounty for fett, he want to keep fett around, and figgures that letting him get more bounties is the best way... plus, chewie cant die... even in the EU, i refuse to recognise... So Vader was keeping Fett from making an idiotic mistake?... Still sounds a little nice for Vader, plus Fett might've been planning on Stunning him, or shooting him in the leg... Oh, and the family dog has to die eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrown Saber Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Not the family dog, the family walking rug. I think Vader was feeling unusually kind, maybe it was the carbonite gases and fumes... who knows? All I can say is that, in one of the SW Dark Horse comics (post-RotJ) Fett scores a direct hit on Chewie, who immediately retaliates and rips of Fett's helmet. Chewie also hits Boba's jetpack and starts it, and the Mandalorian flies straight up until he nails his head on a solid steel beam (ouch). Then he flies away... but I'm just saying that a blaster wound isn't gonna make Chewie hurt, its gonna make the guy who shot him hurt. Which would make sense, and show an act of slight kindness in Vader, cause Vader (possibly) saved Fett from an ol' fashioned butt-whuppin, Chewbacca style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 thats true, chewie can tear a man limb from limb... or a droid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 Not the family dog, the family walking rug. I think Vader was feeling unusually kind, maybe it was the carbonite gases and fumes... who knows? All I can say is that, in one of the SW Dark Horse comics (post-RotJ) Fett scores a direct hit on Chewie, who immediately retaliates and rips of Fett's helmet. Chewie also hits Boba's jetpack and starts it, and the Mandalorian flies straight up until he nails his head on a solid steel beam (ouch). Then he flies away... but I'm just saying that a blaster wound isn't gonna make Chewie hurt, its gonna make the guy who shot him hurt. Which would make sense, and show an act of slight kindness in Vader, cause Vader (possibly) saved Fett from an ol' fashioned butt-whuppin, Chewbacca style. Thats an interesting point, and it easily satisfies the requirement of the topic, but it still unsatisfying to me. I guess I should have clairified, what I'm trying to understand is why George Lucas would have this specific shot of Vader batting the gun away froim Fett, I'm trying to understand the logic from within the movies. I appreciate your input though, it makes it easier for me to understand from an EU perspective, and I hadn't thought of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deetox187 Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 One thing that didn't make sense to me in ESB was when chewie gets put in the prison cell and threepio's body parts were there instead of in their room where they were before everyone was caught. How did the parts end up in the cell? why the heck would the empire take the time to grab the parts and so graciously put them in the cell for chewie to fix? i see absolutely no reason for them doing that, if anything i figure they would just throw them back in the scrap heap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 One thing that didn't make sense to me in ESB was when chewie gets put in the prison cell and threepio's body parts were there instead of in their room where they were before everyone was caught. How did the parts end up in the cell? why the heck would the empire take the time to grab the parts and so graciously put them in the cell for chewie to fix? i see absolutely no reason for them doing that, if anything i figure they would just throw them back in the scrap heap. Zoiks!! That makes no sense either!! Help us understannnnnnnnnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I think Vader thought Fett was making fun of the stormtroopers by getting a clear shot at Chewie, who was knocking them away. Vader wanted Fett to SEE that HIS stormtroopers could do their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 I think Vader thought Fett was making fun of the stormtroopers by getting a clear shot at Chewie, who was knocking them away. Vader wanted Fett to SEE that HIS stormtroopers could do their job. Hey, good thought!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikaze_Elite Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Throught the books, it says that Vader is a good strategist and leader. This is what I think he was doing here. Even though Chewie would have probably been killed, Vader knew that Chewie may have been able to do some damage if he really wanted to. He let Han calm Chewie down, bypassing a potential problem (he's a Jedi after all, he can foresee things). He also knew that starting a fire-fight in the carbon camber wasn't a good idea, considering that Han, Lando, Leia and Chewie would waste no time escaping should a diversion arise. Finally, He promised Lando that Leia and Chewie would live (even though he altered his bargin). I don't think Vader wanted to step out of his word too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev'i Haric Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 From a military standpoint, I think Vader did the right thing. Fett is a contractor - he isn't part of the Empire. His presence is at Vader's whim. I agree w/ what was stated earlier, he knew his troops could eventually subdue Chewie. As a leader, you don't want to rush in and rescue your troops everytime they run into trouble. This is known as micro-management. Vader was letting them deal w/ the situation until it was beyond their control -w hich never happened. I'm sure if Chewie killed a whole squad and started a Wookie blood rage ritual (I need to learn that trick!), Vader would have simply forced chocked him across the room. And if Vader would have let Fett step in and fix the situation, which he no doubt would have done, it would look bad on Vader's part. A sure fire way to loose the respect of your troops is to have an outsider upstage them on their own turf. Not to mention the fact that Vader probably force sensed that Chewie wasn't going to cause THAT much trouble and he did need him as a pawn later on against Lando... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 I'm not entirely sure that Vader is a particularly good military leader. How much respect do you earn from your troops when you choke decent officers for problems they had little or no control over (like the Falcon getting away)? I think it was more likely a pride issue, Imperials solving their own problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaguria Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril I'm not entirely sure that Vader is a particularly good military leader. How much respect do you earn from your troops when you choke decent officers for problems they had little or no control over (like the Falcon getting away)? If your refering to the part in ESB he doesn't kill any officers for letting the falcon get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 If your refering to the part in ESB he doesn't kill any officers for letting the falcon get away. Yes I am referring to ESB, let me throw out a line... "Apology accepted, Captain Needa." (if it still doesn't make sense Needa was the Captain of the Avenger, the Star Destroyer that allowed the Falcon to escape after the asteroid belt part) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev'i Haric Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 You can be a Captain w/out having a ship. (To make the following make more sense: In military vocab, ranks are listed by 'paygrades' either E-# for enlisted, or O-# for officer.) In the Navy, Captain (O-6) is right under an Admiral (O-7) and would be in charge of a whole ship - as in Capt Kirk or Capt Picard. In the Army or Air Force, an O-6 would be referred to as a Colonel, right under a General (O-7). A colonel would be like a squadron commander in charge of multiple fighters or bombers. But here's where it get confusing: A Captain in the Army or Air Force is just an O-3, right above Lieutenents, and isn't that far up the chain of command. A Navy O-3 is referred to as a Lieutenent and is right above Ensigns. Army/AF Lt = Navy Ensign Army/AF Capt = Navy Lt Army/AF Col = Navy Capt So referring to someone as a Captain or Lieutenent is only meaningful if you know what branch of servcie they belong to. Now that we have THAT aside... I wasn't saying Vader was a good military leader, but I was saying his choice in that circumstance was appropriate. There are plenty of leaders who get by on nothing but intimidation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 Actually having been raised in a military family I knew that about ranks also since it is refered to as the Imperial Navy (which makes sense since it translates most closely to the Navy) I would imagine that a Captain would be the commander of a Vessel. I understood you intention about Vader, I think, and I was just pointing out that good leadership skills probably weren't his motivation In my opinion a leader who works through pure intimidation will never be able to get the full potential out of his people, mainly because his people will be spending more time thinking about how much they hate and fear him than thinking about how much they hate and fear their enemy, what's more I would imagine that it could lead to them wasting time trying to think of ways to get around their leader, rather than trusting him and following loyally... That may be an over-idealized view on the matter, I tend to be an optimist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaguria Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 sorry i thought you were refering to the part were the falcon makes the jump to light speed with Lando, Leia and Chewbacca on board near the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 sorry i thought you were refering to the part were the falcon makes the jump to light speed with Lando, Leia and Chewbacca on board near the end. Hee hee, it happens, I imagine you were thinking of that moment because Vader very pointedly doesn't kill Admiral Piett... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chastan Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I think Vader just sensed the awesome power of Chewie's penis, and knew his lightsaber was no match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 2, 2002 Author Share Posted May 2, 2002 I think Vader just sensed the awesome power of Chewie's penis, and knew his lightsaber was no match. Charles...you're the kind of person who deserves to be beaten by his roomate with a stick. *looks over at his idiot roomate, then at a big stick* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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